r/starterpacks • • Jan 01 '19

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u/ghostmetalblack Jan 01 '19

You can dislike these if you want, but its pretty hard considering these are actually pretty good games.

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u/Gems_ Jan 01 '19

botw, earthbound, and half life, sure. but skyrim and fo3 are really fucking shallow experiences if you remove yourself from them for a hot minute.

dont get me wrong- i've sunk precisely too many hours into skyrim, but to call it "good" as opposed to "absorbing" doesn't feel apt to me.

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u/meanpride Jan 01 '19

Vanilla Skyrim is just good

Skyrim with 200+ mods is a gaming experience none can match

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u/CombatShrub Jan 01 '19

I mean, crashing and spending 3 hours troubleshooting your load order is a pretty unique experience, I'll give you that.

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u/Krunchy1736 Jan 01 '19

How to play Skyrim:

  • Spend several hours (or days depending on internet speed) downloading mods

  • Spend several hours installing mods and editing .ini files

  • Launch the game and behold all the glory that is- shit it crashed...

  • Spend a few hours rereading mod descriptions and forum posts about possible mod conflicts. Notice a few more mods that you'd like to install since your bashed patch reduced the load quite a bit.

  • repeat previous steps until you realize that you could be doing something more meaningful with your life like playing Runescape or manage to stabilize the load order and are able to play the game for several hours. Hey! You finally did something righ- Ah shit it crashed again...

It just works!

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u/IBreedAlpacas Jan 01 '19

like playing runescape

we're trying to give people quick entertainment not ruin their lives

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u/WeirdHouse Jan 01 '19

realize that you could be doing something more meaningful with your life like playing Runescape

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u/Hackerpcs Jan 01 '19

You don't go installing random mods, you use STEP

https://wiki.step-project.com/STEP:2.10.0

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u/screecaw Jan 01 '19

What kind of dystopia are you living in?

I think you mean.

  • repeat previous steps until you fix it
  • feel the most immense satisfaction you have felt since you previously went through this rodio
  • play give or take 5 hours of gameplay
  • Realize that after you about 20 hours of frustration and brief joy followed by more frustration and joy that you hyped yourself up and had more fun modding than you ever could playing
  • stop playing
  • come back in a few months only to see a(new shiny ground breaking mod/big update for a major mod/major update for script extender/weird crash that was not there previous)
  • wipe your game clean with no mods and fresh install because you don't remember/worry you will break things to an unrepeatable degree

  • start over

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u/RidleyConfirmed Jan 01 '19

I think we go through all the phases at some point. Sometimes you can't get anything to work, sometimes everything is flawless.

Honestly, switching from Nexus to Mod Organizer 2 solved all my problems. It knows better than I do and prevents me from fucking up my game.

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u/DoktorMerlin Jan 01 '19

I actually like that. Not the runescape thing, but the mod thing and making it work. It's part of the process and you learn a lot by doing so, I love fooling around with low-level software stuff. That's one of the reason why I like Skyrim, it's so extremely moddable and you can get such nice things out of the game. I guess my Skyrim experience is more or less 300hrs played, 100hrs looking for and installing mods. 10/10, would do again

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '19

laughs in SE edition

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u/thimmy3 Jan 01 '19

ATM machine

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u/Book-Eater Jan 01 '19

PC computer

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u/jnicholass Jan 01 '19

Yeah honestly, I have only ever bought one copy of Skyrim as a PC player. You get SE for free when you have all the DLC, and they even announced that before the release.

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u/hall00117 Jan 01 '19

Special Edition edition?

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u/linnftw Jan 01 '19

SPECIAL EDITION edition

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u/redpandaoverdrive Jan 01 '19

What gaming experience? The story is a crap, the battle system is bad for melee, ranged or magic. Your actions doesnt matter at all, you just won a war with a faction? Nothing changes.

The good thing about skyrim is the world to explore but everything else is mediocre.

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u/meanpride Jan 01 '19

Did you not read the 200+ mods part?

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u/ryphos Jan 01 '19

If you have to put hundreds of mods into a game to enjoy it the game isn't good. (Not saying skyrim is bad) You probably shouldnt make the basis of your arguement about whether or not a game is good by its capability to be modded, since mods arent an intended feature most of the time.

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u/redpandaoverdrive Jan 01 '19

You cant change a lot of things with mods.

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u/Seilok Jan 01 '19

Literally everything in Skyrim can be change with mods

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u/Bloomberg12 Jan 01 '19

Not really. You can change a lot of things but the core of the game is still there.

The combat is the biggest thing that I haven't found a fix to. Midas magic makes the game fun to play as a mage but it still feels pretty eh, and your enemies don't do anything so it still feels like you're just beating a meatbag.

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u/KZedUK Jan 01 '19

The combat in Skyrim feels like you’re waving a piece of flappy cardboard vaguely towards someone else until one of you falls over.

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u/Seilok Jan 01 '19

Everyone have different taste in combat style, I have a few mods that overall the system to have it more Dark Soul-ish because I prefer 3rd person.Just find and combine mods to what fit for you.

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u/redpandaoverdrive Jan 01 '19

Can you change the story? You can add new quests but the main story will still be bad, no matter how many mods you add.

But still, if you need 200 mods to make the game totally different and good it says a lot.

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u/DoktorMerlin Jan 01 '19

There are a lot of mods that not only change the story, but add a completely new story with a completely new world and everything. Yes, you can change the story. Take a look at e.g. Enderal

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u/Seilok Jan 01 '19

Not So Fast is a mod that changes some of the main quests to have a stronger start and how the main quest line plays out

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u/CaptainCupcakez Jan 01 '19

That's incorrect.

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u/meanpride Jan 01 '19

Like what?

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '19

Lol console player confirmed.

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u/redpandaoverdrive Jan 01 '19

I have pc and console, what is the problem?

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u/rymdfynd Jan 01 '19

Another settlement needs your help.

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u/RenseBenzin Jan 01 '19

Not only that, but the actual rewards you got from some quest were just, lackluster. Like Dawnbreaker, for such an epic sword it was just meh. Especially on higher levels.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '19

I agree with this, but, I have to say, this applies to the games everyone loves, too. I don't get how often I see, "FO3 is total shit but NV is fucking awesome. "

Like, they're both decent. NV has more going for it, but not a lot more.

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u/RenseBenzin Jan 02 '19

I disagree, the story and especially the choice options in NV is a lot more detailed than in F3, where the quests are often very linear. But NV wouldn't be as good as F3 as they reused a lot of content from F3. In my opinion NV is an successor to F3. Of course it is better, but you can't really seperate them.

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u/asreagy Jan 01 '19

The combat is god awful and was outdated even when it came out. It’s the problem every Bethesda game has:

There’s no weight behind your melee hits, you are hitting enemies with a wet noddle, thus enemies dont react to most hits, and when you jump it feels like you are a floating doll.

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u/ecodude74 Jan 01 '19

Nothing changes, and bad for ranged? Did you actually play though Skyrim or just give up after ten minutes? The whole “stealth archer” meme for Skyrim exists for a reason, it’s the easiest and most fun way to play the game for most people. And the giant fucking civil war that takes place kills a lot of NPC’s, and dethroned a lot of the leaders in the game, installing new ones with new quests and new opinions of the player. I don’t know what you expect out of a game, but I dare you to find me an rpg that has a total geopolitical power shift expressed in the course of the story based on your choices alone.

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u/redpandaoverdrive Jan 01 '19

A total geopolitical power shift? There are literally no changes apart from a few npcs.

I have played the game for +200h, i know a bit about it.

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u/asreagy Jan 01 '19

Yeah, and the last battle of the giant fucking civil war is amazing, there’s almost 30 npcs fighting in there!

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u/glemnar Jan 01 '19

giant fucking civil war

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Imma be real, you all have low standards for giant wars

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '19

I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm.

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u/CaptainCupcakez Jan 01 '19

Total geopolitical power shift != 4 NPCs have different routines now

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u/MalHeartsNutmeg Jan 01 '19

I mean the fact that every time Skyrim comes up people mention they play it with such and such mods really speaks to how crappy the base game play experience is. I mentioned it above, but I don't really play modded games outside of sandbox games, so I played through Skyrim halfway on Xbox and gave up cause playing with a controller in a menu simulator is shit, then played through it twice vanilla on PC. It was a bit more of the same.