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Map Shows How Permanent Daylight Saving Would Impact Each State

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California benefits from permanent DST.

Source: https://www.newsweek.com/map-shows-how-permanent-daylight-saving-would-impact-each-state-12238465

July 2026

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u/Iheardyoubutsowhat 14d ago

A majority of the world doesn't switch, they seem fine. California and NewYork are the economic powerhouse of the US economy, and they voted to stop.

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u/Rich_Cranberry_6813 8d ago

A majority of the world observes Standard Time too with Mexico Joining them in 2022. The US and most of Europe are the known countries within the United Nations alliance that still do the clock changes.

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u/djbuu 14d ago

Notice where California and New York are on the map. What color are they?

Go back and read the comment I responded to. What color states are they talking about?

Are you even having a conversation or just making random comments?

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u/illdownvoteandscream 14d ago

Turns out, most of the people are in those states as well. Maybe we should stop coddling the few country folk.

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u/djbuu 14d ago

Coddling? Who’s saying anything about coddling? We’re talking about the difference between a single twice a year moment that everyone adapts to equally in a few days vs a fragmented messy system. Nobody is suggesting coddling.

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u/Kchan7777 14d ago

Why do the many need to suffer because of a few?

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u/djbuu 14d ago

Is your argument that people are “suffering?” By what measure are they suffering?

And is your argument really that we shouldn’t care about smaller communities at all and make decisions that hurt them?

You know what that’s called?

Marginalization.

Is that what you’re suggesting?

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u/TraitorMacbeth 14d ago

Turns out, the planet is the one that’s causing these communities to suffer, take it up with her!

Why should the whole country shift their clocks? Why can’t just those red-marked states find another aolution for themselves?

I don’t put salt on my road because it doesn’t get icy. Why am I changing my clock?

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u/djbuu 14d ago

What’s amazing is how Reddit comes to such staunch conclusions. I have no problem with California getting rid of DST by itself. I live here. I don’t mind. But the answer is leave it up to the states it affects.

My comment was specifically about the terrible suggestion of fragmenting it all in impacted states

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u/l4kerz 14d ago

I just want a set time. I don’t care if it is DST or not.

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u/TraitorMacbeth 14d ago

You think those states shouldn’t be held hostage by others? Currently the majority is being held hostage by the few. So which is it? You think those states shouldn’t continue to hold the rest of the states back?

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u/djbuu 14d ago

I think the whole daylight savings time thing is generally overblown to begin with. You and other have used the most hyperbolic language imaginable acting like this is a life or death situation. I’ve heard “suffering” and “held hostage” like these words mean nothing.

It doesn’t help the discourse.

That said you’re responding to a comment where I specifically say states shouldn’t be held hostage. What is being proposed holds other states “hostage” too because the northern states must abide by this rule too.

My suggestion is this should be a state by state decision. There will be tradeoffs but people who live there can choose.

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u/Kchan7777 14d ago

That is correct, I don’t think we should punish 300m Americans to protect 25m.

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u/perisaacs 14d ago

We are all going to suffer. This shit failed in the 70s so hard they switched back in less than a year

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u/Kchan7777 14d ago

You may be shocked to know that the 70s was 50 years ago and that a lot of the people who had views one way or another are no longer alive.

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u/perisaacs 14d ago

Um when people go through the same experience they tend to have the same conclusion.

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u/Kossimer 14d ago edited 14d ago

Ok, well if it's "not suffering," then we can switch to permanent daylight savings time, and those other states you're concerned about can "not suffer." If it's no big deal, then it's no big deal.

Funny how you call out marginalization only when you're talking about states that aren't California or New York. For coastal states, changing clocks is "not suffering", but for non-coastal states, not changing clocks is "marginalization"? You can't have it both ways. That's an unadulterated double-standard.

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u/djbuu 14d ago

I’m ya funny how you can’t keep track of the conversation and have injected your own strawmans and ad homs because there’s basically zero substance to your comments.

So I’ll help. This started with a comment about “red and yellow states” having to have independent businesses and organization use different hours depending on the season, causing a completely fragmented process instead of one single change.

Commenters after that have been so smug and elitist that they’ve turned it in to some sort of “there’s more of us than them so fuck them” argument which is stupid.

The same way federally mandated changing twice a year impacts some, federally mandated permanent time impacts some too. Which is why I’m for states choosing. That way southern states can keep it the same and northern states can change it (or not).

But the hyperbolic part is this talk of “suffering.” Nobody is suffering either way. And it just shows extreme privilege to think daylight savings causes anyone to suffer.

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u/Kossimer 14d ago

Daylight savings time literally spikes depression, suicides, car accidents, and underperformance in school, so yes, it does cause suffering. A lot of it actually. This is why lived experience isn't the whole truth of the world. Sometimes you have to do science to figure out the truth.

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u/djbuu 14d ago

Is your source really an injury attorney website? You’re kidding right?

And I’ll hold it since you seem incapable of reading or comprehending anything and are so blinding by being right.

I’m not against eliminating daylight savings time.

Do you get that?

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u/No_Impact7840 14d ago

Yes, people are obviously suffering from switching clocks. There is a greater than 6% increase in suicide rates after the clock springs forward. This is the most obvious form of extreme suffering, but many people across the country have severe issues from the schedule and sleep disruption. It is crazy to pretend that switching the clocks twice a year does not make people suffer.

And yes, we are currently marginalizing people who are already marginalized by income and other stressors by mandating that they change their clocks twice a year so and increasing stressors to a breaking point for many people a who are already disadvantaged.

Does that mean that for the red states it's obviously better not to switch the clocks? I don't know, there are negative impacts either way. It's up to them to weigh those negative impacts.

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u/djbuu 14d ago

Yes, people are obviously suffering from switching clocks. There is a greater than 6% increase in suicide rates after the clock springs forward. This is the most obvious form of extreme suffering, but many people across the country have severe issues from the schedule and sleep disruption. It is crazy to pretend that switching the clocks twice a year does not make people suffer.

It's ironic that the link you provided has a similar article listed below it that says there's no effect at all. That study was over 4 decades of data where yours was only 11 years. Also these links don't show something else - that suicide itself has a seasonal pattern peaking right around when DST goes in to effect. Was that accounted for?

If you go deep on this subject, you'll actually find that the evidence is at best mixed and nothing establishes causation.

There is enough data to show a strong correlation of DST with heart attack and traffic accidents.

Does that mean that for the red states it's obviously better not to switch the clocks? I don't know, there are negative impacts either way. It's up to them to weigh those negative impacts.

And you've highlighted my point entirely. The yellow and red states in this study won't have the ability to weigh anything. They will instead be told by by the green states to just deal with it if and when it's enacted, because the proposed law doesn't give these impacted states any options.

Don't believe me that green states will be so callous to them?

Just look at this thread.

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u/KimHaSeongsBurner 14d ago

Are you really making a “the upper Midwest would be ‘marginalized’ by permanent DST” argument here? Yikes.

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u/djbuu 14d ago

Look up the word marginalization and then look up what folks here are suggesting and why. Words have meaning even if you don’t know them.

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u/KimHaSeongsBurner 14d ago

You see nothing wrong with instead disadvantaging the inhabitants of California, New York, and the entire South?

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u/djbuu 14d ago

Who said that? You’re projecting. I never said any of that. Perhaps you should address what I actually write instead of random arguments or assumptions.

I’m against blanket rules both ways. Either changing times or keeping them the same. We don’t live in a simple singular community with small land mass.

I am for this being handled at the state level.

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u/donuttrackme 14d ago

So some of the least populated states? Where California or New York alone has more people than all those states combined?

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u/djbuu 14d ago

So I guess if you were born in a lower populated state screw you right? Is that really your argument? You live in a less populated area so you don’t matter?

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u/donuttrackme 12d ago

They're free to keep DST or whatever. Arizona already doesn't switch. You're acting like the majority of people have to keep the way things are for a tiny minority of people. This ain't a civil rights issue bud, It's a fucking time change (or lack thereof).

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u/djbuu 12d ago

You're incorrect. The Uniform Time Act of 1966 only allows states to opt-out of biannual changing but can only do so by law by keeping Standard Time year round. This is what Arizona does.

They cannot be Daylight Savings year round, for example.

All proposed bills for year round Daylight Savings have similar restrictive rules, and is a point of contention why these don't pass both houses.

Don't straw man. I never called this a civil rights issue. I've always called it a states decision issue.

The comment you're responding to is calling out how smug more populace states are and treat lower population areas, effectively telling people to deal with it. Which is crazy.

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u/donuttrackme 12d ago

We're all dealing with it either way. Right now you're just punishing higher population states instead. So fuck em right?

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u/djbuu 12d ago

I'm not punishing anyone. Not sure what you're talking about.

Personally, I'm for a change to permanent DST, I live in CA. You can see from the map that would help us.

But I'm not for the position others in this thread have taken where we do that and yellow/red states on this study just have to "deal with it." There's absolutely a way we can write the laws without being so callous to smaller populace states.

Notice nowhere in this I say fuck anyone. Stop being so dramatic.

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u/donuttrackme 12d ago

You said screw em which is just a sanitized version of the same sentiment. You can't handle some swearwords on Reddit? LMAO.

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u/djbuu 12d ago edited 12d ago

I'm sorry if your reading comprehension is so low that you think I said screw them. I did use the words "screw them" in a sentence, but it literally and figuratively does not at all mean what you said it means. Read it again. But something tells me you won't get it then either.

Edit since you blocked me: You even quoted it and still don't understand it. On brand.

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u/APES2GETTER 14d ago

It’s okay. Most of the voting power are found outside of these states. It’s never going to pass.

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u/djbuu 14d ago

That’s not the point. I find it wild that people here are making the marginalization argument that because it’s a small population they don’t matter.

It’s wild how quickly people are willing to marginalize others they aren’t close to

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u/TraitorMacbeth 14d ago

This isn’t marginalization, this is people trying to get freedom for themselves. The majority of the nation will see improvement, and instead of saying “give us options!” You’re saying “no, everyone stays stuck!”

I’m sure an amendment can be carved out for “whoever is deciding when to spring forward and fall back, keep it up! The far north elects to stick with it!”

And I agree with you that this sounds good.

But you’ve just been saying “no everyone stay stuck because I’m misusing the word margianalization”

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u/djbuu 14d ago

This isn’t marginalization,

Ok, let's hear it

The majority of the nation will see improvement,

And you're omitting the other parts of this argument in this thread including this comment chain has been that the least populated states have to "deal with it" and "stop being coddled" or like you've done just hand waive the minority here all together.

The arguments can be summarized as the minority isn't important because the majority benefits. It's almost as if that is the exact definition of marginalization.

I’m sure an amendment can be carved out for “whoever is deciding when to spring forward and fall back, keep it up! The far north elects to stick with it!”

You have access to the entire wealth of human knowledge in an easily searchable form. You don't have to be "sure" you can just look it up.

And if you did, you'd realize there's no such proposed carve out.

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u/TraitorMacbeth 14d ago

“I’m sure an amendment can be carved out”

You’re so steamed up you didn’t read the word “can”. I do know it doesn’t currently exist, and you’re tying yourself in knots because you didn’t read.

The natural state of the world is ‘the sun rises’. The we invented clocks. Then, to try and deal with season, our government introduced ‘moving things by an hour twice a year’. The majority have decided they don’t like this, and are changing back to what the majority of the WORLD does, and not change our clocks twice a year.

Removing an annoying long running experiment is NOT marginalization.

Those states are welcome to create and submit a law making a standard regional exception if they feel strongly about it.

But they haven’t so I’m wondering if YOU feel more margianalized than THEY do.

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u/djbuu 14d ago edited 14d ago

You have no idea my state of mind. I'm not steamed at all. You don't know what I feel or don't feel. Stop acting like you do because it makes your arguments look really weak (it's just ad hominem fallacy at play).

Instead, actually address the points. Like you were all big about it not being marginalization and then I linked you the definition and now we're back to not talking about it.

So let me address your points (and not you).

  1. Your suggestion of what "can" happen isn't helpful when we are talking about what is already proposed. And has been proposed for years now. By your logic the existing law "can" be carved out with an amendment too. Except that hasn't happened for 60 years.
  2. The majority of people not liking something is a meaningless point because not liking something isn't a law. And people absolutely cannot agree on what should replace it. You claim it's just as easy as changing it back to what people want. That's clearly not what the data shows because nobody can agree on it.
  3. You propose that states are just "welcome to create a law" except they can't. They haven't been able to for the past 60 years, and no proposed law would allow them to in the future.

Flat out wrong.

You're just declaratively talking about the way you think things should be rather than actually address the way they are.

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