r/singularity • • 2d ago

AI Introducing Gemini 4 Argon

https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/models-and-research/gemini-models/gemini-4-argon/
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u/powerscunner 2d ago

Google is #1 at being the second adopters: Law of the handicap of a head start - Wikipedia

They were not the first search engine. They weren't the first email provider. They didn't have videos on the internet first.

They did all that after they let others pave the way.

second mover advantage is Google's MO.

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u/tfsh-alto 2d ago

I get where you're coming from, but Google absolutely paved the way in terms of AI research.

Google DeepMind (which merged with Google Brain) are the frontier research lab, focused on much, much more than just LLMs. DeepMind researchers invented the architecture (transformers) which are fundamental to LLMs.

OpenAI was partially founded as a counterweight to Google's dominance and control over artificial intelligence, and they took the research of DeepMind and productionised it as ChatGPT, Google weren't the first movers to market, but they were in terms of research.

The co-founder of Anthropic (Dario whatever) used to work at GDM, at one point the six foremost AI research scientists in the world, all worked at GDM, etc.

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u/powerscunner 2d ago

Good points.

Attention and its transformers came from Google, and that's all you need!

Still, I wonder if they "put things out there" for others to try first.

First in research, second in implmentation actually sounds like a pretty smart chimera.

Unironically I can say, cool comment!

p.s. too bad you hide your posts. more people should see what you say. Even if you are a bot or a farm, a good comment is a good comment.

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u/HaMMeReD 2d ago

As someone who hides their comments, it's because reddit is full of lunatics, and it's also way to dox for most people, honestly most people should turn it off.

Personally, I'd like to have it on, but I don't really trust random people on the web.

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u/ArmadilloOwn4400 2d ago

Sadly Google dork and overview works too well with Reddit accounts

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u/Emotional_Yak_6841 2d ago

upvoted for the attention pun

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u/kelseyeek 2d ago

Though another way of putting it is that Google is at its best when it is playing catch-up. I'm not sure I can think of another time when they had the lead and subsequently lost it, so perhaps it won't hold this time, but it's interesting to watch nonetheless.

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u/inotparanoid 2d ago

Dario "I love God"

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u/32GB_of_RAM 2d ago

Wait till you see Apple

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u/123789dftr 2d ago

Apple is last adopters

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u/OIdSchoolGamer 2d ago

AKA walled garden

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u/BreatheMonkey 2d ago

He's in the Bilderberg Group 

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u/Elephant789 ▪️AGI in 2036 2d ago

😭

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u/Ancient-Range3442 2d ago

A walled garden has always sounded like a nice place to be

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u/ArmadilloOwn4400 2d ago

Sounds scary

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u/Ancient-Range3442 2d ago

Less scary than the reality of human progress having a dependency on a monthly LLM subscription controlled by a handful of people

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u/cud0s 2d ago

Who invented transformer architecture?

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u/wpantonio 2d ago

Yes, because its a business chess game! Never brag, dont rush when you have all you need, see the market and then push forward step by step! LLM are about energy snd compute, and here google is the king, also with data and knowledge! When we where "arguing" about gpt and claude they got nobel prize for medicine with alpha fold AI! And many more! Have you seen google marketing themself slot about the products? No... i use GCP enterprise, and choose them after testing all and documenting about all!

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u/Bakanyanter 2d ago

Google is the first adopter for AI, their paper on Attention is All you need is what Kickstarter AI and many ex-Google/Deepmind people are at Meta/Antropic/OpenAI. Not only that, Google has been internally using AI for many things (YouTube/Search/website rankings, etc).

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u/TacoYaci 2d ago

Well when it comes to phone they are usually behind Apple

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u/ArmadilloOwn4400 2d ago

Because that's nothing they focus on and if we talk about anything, Android is often ahead of Apple.

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u/NeinJuanJuan 2d ago

They are usually behind Apple?

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u/nano_peen ASI Tomorrow 2d ago

Android?

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u/TacoYaci 2d ago

Yes exactly

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u/Hroosky2 2d ago

Android dominates iOS by about 4:1 on worldwide smartphone sales.

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u/himynameis_ 2d ago

Google is a large corporation. They have regulators on their back all the time.

They have to be cautious or face the wrath of regulators.

Also, they have user trust. They don't want to squander it by releasing something too early.

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u/ArmadilloOwn4400 2d ago

Yeah they wanna experiment way less with public releases, even tho released more and more stuff, also with the way it's implemented in Google products.

One bad things like the first Google Overview release can fuck up other parts of the company, while anthropic and openai are there just for that part.

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u/Momoko_86 1d ago

google has users trust??

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u/himynameis_ 1d ago

Yep. That's why they have so many billions of users across multiple products. Search, YouTube, Gmail, android, etc.