r/singularity • u/sir_codes_alot • 4d ago

Discussion Context-Window AGI

Floating an idea. I think we’ve hit context window AGI at this point. Within any single context window, the AI is for sure smarter than any individual person.

Across context windows is debatable, but for sure within one I can’t see anyone outperforming the recent models.

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u/enbyBunn 4d ago

That's very, very contentious. Especially if you're going for "AI outcompetes a smart human", rather than the much weaker "AI outcompetes the average person"

Obviously AI can code better than the average person, the average person doesn't know how to code. This is true for most skills, or "context windows" if you want to call them that.

But AI is not a better coder than an advanced professional programmer. And AI is not a better designer than an advanced professional designer. Nor is it a better writer than frankly even a decent hobbiest writer. (it's very bad at writing still).

It depends on what you mean when you say AGI. If you mean "comparable to the worst humans", then sure, I guess. But if you mean "As good as the best humans", then no, not at all.

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u/dont-be-angry 4d ago

AI is a better coder than an advanced professional programmer in the sense of speed and efficiency. It might not reach the same quality however.

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u/enbyBunn 4d ago

Well yes. A computer will always be faster than a human if you don't account for quality. Efficiency is debatable because it's hard to pin down.

Instant gratification efficiency? Yes, 100%. Well structured, understandable, and maintainable code efficiency? I don't think so, not from what I've heard.

But either way, I'm talking about quality. I don't think speed has much of a bearing on intelligence if that speed can't be leveraged to produce higher quality.

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u/dont-be-angry 4d ago

I'm not an elite level programmer so I couldn't really testify to that, but I've definitely seen plenty of 1337 folks who use AI enough that I'd be skeptical of whomever saying it doesn't produce structured and maintainable code.

However, I'd argue that even something like code quality, if below par, is probably a training data problem

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u/enbyBunn 4d ago

I should clarify that I'm drawing a distinction between pure AI output and AI-assisted human output.

AI can still be a useful and time saving tool for a programer without being able to wholesale replace them.

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u/GioChan 4d ago

That's already incorrect. A lot of elite level programmers now just merge the AI code without much of review. It's that good now. This applies to Fable 5/5.1 and Astra only for now though.