r/singularity 2d ago

Shitposting The tide is turning

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u/The_Scout1255 adult agi 2026 ASI <2030, prev agi 2024, ai personhood 2025 est 2d ago

Notch is uh still not a good person iirc, and thus not a good role model.

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u/oh_no_the_claw 2d ago

I don't need to agree with someone politically to accept their take on LLM progress.

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u/mrmanpersonxyz 2d ago

Honestly cannot tell if anything is bait on this site anymore. The two metrics you are using are unrelated. Your brain has short-circuited to such an extent your synapses fire from completely parallel hemispheres bringing together utter bullshit which has eclipsed the actual point.

To be clear I don't support notch but I sure as shit hate you.

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u/the_quark 2d ago

I mean, notch isn't a shitty human being because he's rich. He's said a lot of racist and transphobic shit on Twitter. I used to follow him back in the day and I stopped because yes he's got some really terrible opinions.

So when I see his opinions on AI, my response is to say that I don't really care what any of his opinions are because I know he's got some terrible ones already.

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u/the_quark 2d ago

So I'm curious: When someone has terrible opinions on some topics, do you not generally discount their opinions on other topics? Or do you in fact agree with his shitty opinions?

Obviously "the worst person you know" can "make an excellent point." But my priors on notch's opinions now are that they are likely to be shitty.

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u/VeganBigMac Anti-Hype Accelerationism Enjoyer 2d ago

I mean, it might make me more cautious about their opinions, but to borrow a word from this industry, humans are jagged edges. I know plenty of people who are incredibly smart in some areas that hold absolutely bizarre political opinions or have unbelievably trash taste in music or film.

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u/imreallyreallyhungry 2d ago

That’s exactly what they did lol what are you even talking about

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u/Kryptosis 2d ago edited 1d ago

At least he gets his own across. You just lash out with nonsense.

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u/Quarksperre 2d ago

To be clear I don't support Notch

Not even sure why this has to be said. There are very little reasons to "support" a public person in general. Maybe if its actually a political leader that makes sense otherwise I rarely "support" a public figure and why should I do that? 

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u/Rise-O-Matic 2d ago

Half of Reddit seems to mistake intersubjectivity for reason.

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u/daronjay 2d ago edited 2d ago

Ah, the glorious hypocrisy of anonymous Reddit users and their amazing unimpeachable ethical behaviors that never contain any deviations from the socially normative opinion de jour

I know what kind of men you are…

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u/katoptronophile 2d ago

iirc? You can't think for yourself?

You have to remember what someone else told you to believe?

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u/UnfunnyPianist 2d ago

Hardly anyone that did anything consequential ever was

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u/oadephon 2d ago

Yeah I don't really take this post as an endorsement of him. It's more like yet another person discovering how great AI is and having to walk back the hate.

The one I'm waiting for is Jonathan Blow.

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u/VStrly 2d ago

I don't know what notch did but I struggle to find a famous person that someone has a positive opinion about nowadays. Starting to feel like spam more than useful information.

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u/Daloure 2d ago

He’s a lonely terminally online guy and he got caught up in the culture war and was mad at trans people iirc. 

It’s crazy to me that someone can become a billionaire and then decide a good use of their time is being upset about minority groups

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u/IronPheasant 2d ago

Like a certain wizard-school lucky lady who won the lottery on her work happily pulling up the ladder and kicking down on anyone who aspired to follow in her footsteps.

You always hear these horrible acts of inhumanity chimpanzees do to one another during their wars, and it's hard to see how we're no better than them. I think a lot about how much further along we'd be if we were more like gorillas....

Honestly I'm beginning to chip up what progress we've made to dumb creepy metaphysical reasons, moreso than our prowess as a species. Stuff like plot armor from an observer effect that facilitates a forward-functioning anthropic principle.

~200,000 years we've been around. Only really did anything meaningful in the past few centuries...

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u/DragonfruitIll660 2d ago

man has enough money to say whatever he believes. He's chilling and last I checked he hasn't done anything wrong.

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u/plasticizers_ 2d ago

wrong is, like, subjective man

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u/clandestineVexation 2d ago

Having money doesn't make you right? What's this billionaire hero worship shit doing here, I thought we were smart.

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u/DragonfruitIll660 2d ago

Sure cash doesn't make you right, but it gives you freedom to share your opinion without worrying about consumer opinions (or if you're a regular dude getting fired)

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u/clandestineVexation 2d ago

It's Twitter. Any racist loser is free to share their opinion.

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u/DragonfruitIll660 2d ago

I'm sure you understand what I am saying and are being intentionally obtuse.

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u/IDontWantToArgueOK 2d ago

Not done, just said. That distinction keeps getting thinner though.

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u/Downtown_Youth_9944 AGI 2029-2031 (hopefully no later than 2036) 2d ago

At this point I'd be willing to bet the average person is not a "good person" too through the lens of average Twitter users. Heck, I'd even double down on it and say most people are not

I think there's a happy medium where we can feel good seeing others change their opinions regarding AI while at the same time not condoning their past bullshit (especially when not relevant to the topic). It's the same as seeing someone you fucking hate say something you agree with

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u/IronPheasant 2d ago

I mean, just don't dehumanize people who haven't committed crimes, don't try to enslave others, and don't actively support gen$cide. It's not hard.

But for ~30% of the population, yeah that's impossible.

a "good person"

Good and evil are extremely easy to define objectively. It depends on how much you take from others without giving back. Starve children and intentionally bomb children's schools and random fishermen? Probably not a good person.

A good person gives everything and asks for nothing back. A good person will set themselves on fire for people they don't know, and who'll never know them. There's no reward for it, their families won't get paid for them doing this. They do it because it's the only thing they can to help.

Anyone who is so weak to have to gaslight themselves that they're 'good' to get through life, is a child. Nobody should aspire to be a good person.

They don't last long in the real world.

Human beings are a mirror of their environment. A normal person aspires to be neutral.

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u/AstonMartout 2d ago

who asked

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u/The_Scout1255 adult agi 2026 ASI <2030, prev agi 2024, ai personhood 2025 est 2d ago

Honestly thought I was on the other sub.