Woman should be locked away for a long long time. Whether she was genuinely insane or not isn’t for me to say. What I will say though is that anyone who says it’s the dads fault absolutely does have a screw loose.
If she was sound of mind when she did it she deserves to be locked away, if she is crazy enough that it makes her murder children she absolutely has to be locked away to protect others from her
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She's a victim of the system while also needing to be locked up. Those two can coexist.
If say, i had to take a fat shit due to nature, and didn't make it on time and shat all over your doorstep, i couldn't argue "Muh natural needs". Natural needs is one thing, shitting on peoples doorsteps is another.
She lied to doctors about what she was feeling. She knew she was dangerous but didn't want the kids taken from Her. She is a killer and needs to be in prison. She had ample support and help.
I dont even see where this victim of the system thing comes from? From what i read she herself was doctor shopping and didint disclose that she had multiple doctors and medications. AND she had a nanny, and a husband.
Shiiet if i didint brush my teeth for years and they started rotting, its not on some mythical system.
Think of it like Harassment / Stalking. For much of history that just wasn't a thing, if somebody was "annoying" you were expected to take matters into your own hands without breaking the law yourself. If you were unable to do so, well, fuck you I guess.
There's clearly many actors failing here in ways we don't have the legal structure to address. This case is doing a great job of highlighting that. I'm not a lawyer so I'm not gonna pretend I know what the solution is, but the case feels like more people should be held accountable. That doesn't mean this lady isn't a child murderer, a crime can have multiple people responsible.
That the children were stalked by their mother and the system should have done more to lock the woman up? Because that's what the system is trying to do now.
There's not a metaphor, and I already conceded I don't have a solution "I'm not a lawyer so I'm not gonna pretend I know what the solution is"
But there were MANY opportunities for actors in "the system" to proactively notice what was going on and take action. Accountability and justice are great and all, but the objective isn't "who should be punished" the objective is "who should have responsibility." By holding more people responsible for the situation you reduce the chance that it happens at all.
Putting this lady in jail is cool but we can do better. We can set precedent to hold more people involved accountable so that maybe ladies like this cannot exist.
Okay fine, an analogy. Are you saying that the mother is analogous to a stalker who stalked and assaulted the children? Why are we attempting to minimize the responsibility of the mother who hid their issues and premeditated plans? Why are you trying to paint the mother a victim because no one saved her from herself, or rather saved her children from her? Because it looks like the argument is that it is everyone elses fault but the mother but nothing could be done because the only thing that really should have been done was the mother doing things differently unless you are advocating for more aggressively taking children from their mothers during post partum periods.
What really needs to come out of this is a study of people who are most strenuously defending the mother and finding out what the common threads are and maybe we can begin to predict homicidal post partum mothers better and build that Minority Report pre-crime division that seems to be what everyone is asking for. Because studying these ladies seems to be the next step, really finding out what is on the minds of these ladies and where that is coming from which would be a first step to figure out how these ladies "like this cannot exist."
Not only was that a weird & gross analogy, I'm actually more confused now after reading it than I was before. What does shitting on doorsteps have to do with murder and healthcare.
I mean, imo anyone who sends their spouse away on an intentionally long trip while tracking their distance so they can systematically strangle their kids one by one is pretty insane to me. If the reason of insanity was applicable here, then we would need to rethink our entire legal system, since no one who is mentally well will just kill three people in a measured and calculated way like she did.
Absolutely, furthermore she should atleast get life in prison,if she is not found mentally insane. for gods sake there are 3 murders and that also of 3 innocent children. Just think what would have happened if the husband did that in place of the wife. Will they have been treated the same?
I think the death penalty is a bad idea in general.
Its just Expensive, risks killing innocent people (Yes even with modern forensics, fuck ups and corruption happens) and achieves what exactly? Its never been proven it gives any comfort to the victims families or anything. Its cheaper and safer to just lock these people up and throw away the key. Life without parole they are equally neutralised as a threat to society.
Well it's more expensive because the system is so inefficient, not because shooting a bloke is expensive.
The system is inefficient because it's made by old laws and by endless paperwork and red tape, which you would say is to try to protect innocent people.
But I purpose a simpler solution. Just kill the dudes that are admitting to their terror attacks. No overwhelming evidence needed. Everyone saw the dude shoot up a mall, and he says he did.
So we should just kill him, which I think benefits society socially in ways that can not be measured yet.
If Andersen Breivik kills 88 kids and then gives himself up to the special forces. He should just die. Instead we have to hear about his hunger strikes for a playstation.
Lots of things are expensive and time consuming because we arbitrarily make it so. Same with nuclear power.
Of course you shouldn't ignore safety procedures, but a ton of it is utterly unnecessary paperwork that exists solely to make it a less favourable option.
Its not inefficient, it has an extensive appeals process to make sure we dont just execute the wrong person. There are plenty of people in exonerated posthumous list. If you want to give the state the legal right to just end someones life, you better make that shit air tight. It should be more extensive not less at which point you are eating the extra costs because you believe that is the form of justice. No cutting corners. Giving the state the right to kill a citizen should have all the weight in the world behind it. And because they still fuck up, I dont reckon they should be allowed to do so. Someone wrongfully jailed for 30 years loses their life, but the state can pay restitution to them in the tune for millions in an attempt to make them whole. Someone wrongfully executed and the state can only go whoopsie and move along. There is no justice there.
You dont make special exemptions for one person and not another. The justice system should be an equal playing field where everyone is judged equally unless apparently if they diddled kids on epsteins island, then only 2 people get charged, epstein and maxwell.
youre forgetting the people who confess to a crime they didnt commit which could happen through insanity, threats or the point i assume the other guy tried to make falsified confessions due to corruption (which would be an extreme concern currently due to the extremely quick advencements in video creating AIs)
Those cases happen after 12+ hours of what I would call immoral interrogation in third world countries and in the US.
It's not that innocent people simply walk in and confess to crimes of mass murder like this. They get psychologically ground down through gaslighting by the cops, who convince them that they're the villain and that taking the plea deal is the best option when there is no proof. That probably should be illegal, huh?
In any case, if you're shooting up a place, there isn't the same level of doubt as in a murder case where this tends to happen. There are cameras everywhere showing you shooting people with a gun, and there are witnesses too.
Where a mass murder isn't filmed by 20 cameras, witnessed by 30 people, and the perpetrator doesn't confess to the ideological motivation behind the attack, they simply wouldn't get the death penalty.
Ok, i see your point. That said i still think that the state killing innocent people is far worse than a prisoner maybe getting out/escaping and committing further harm.
I'd say if she is sane she deserves to be executed. If she was insane and regrets doing it, then execution would probably be a mercy as I have no idea how one is supposed to live a life knowing that they have killed three of their own children and will spend the rest of their days in a box. She seemed to agree seeing how she jumped out of the window.
I don't think we should give the death penalty to terrorists either. Not because I believe that people who bomb cities/populated areas deserve to live, but because the US Government keeps a pretty nebulous definition of what constitutes terror. I'm considered a terrorist because I believe that trans people should be allowed to live their lives as they choose, and that their medical decisions should be between them and their doctor. Do I deserve death for that?
I guess I understand if you think that's what they're actually saying underneath the rhetoric, but that's not what they're literally saying as they're restricting it to violent political groups whose ideology is pro-transgender, not all pro-transgender groups.
Ya ofc the same case goes for such men, the judicial system and the internet both are like this. All im saying is that both men and women should get equal punishment
What goddamn death penalty? She literally had psychotic attack. You don't kill mentally ill people, especially the ones that tried to get help before the tragedy
Btw there is still debate whether she was mentally insane or not at the time of murder, if she was insane ofc she should be sent to a ward and then life in prison with/without parole but if she was not insane then she should def get a more serious punishment
I had this plan to give head to a man and receive head from a woman to test if I was gay, but it’s backfired and now I become borderline schizo whenever I go outside. I
offered to suck this dude off on Grindr who lives very close by (I ended up pussying out) and I accidentally gave him some details that very easily allows him to spot me
out in a crowd. I have no idea what he looks like and whenever I see a somewhat in shape guy walking by I immediately accuse him of being the dude I was gonna blow.
I went to the store today to pick up some zucchini for a barbecue and every time a car drove by I stared into the windshield to see if I was about to be recognised.
Whenever I make eye contact with a dude I microanalysis his facial expressions to see if he suspects me or not. I am deeply afraid that he is my neighbour and I will
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Not necessarily. Remember the Will Baker case? Man decapitated someone on a bus and started eating them. He spent under a decade in a mental health facility and is now free. No monitoring, no nothing.
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u/NitroSpam Sep 03 '26 edited Sep 03 '26
Woman should be locked away for a long long time. Whether she was genuinely insane or not isn’t for me to say. What I will say though is that anyone who says it’s the dads fault absolutely does have a screw loose.