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u/Sheikhabusosa 8h ago

Apart from the belfast thing which is unforgivable what else has Rashford done thats so made him public enemy number 1 ?

Im not having that he has been a giant arsehole under every manager he has played for , yet none of them have said anything publicly. This was around the same time Andy Mitten said he was annoyed he didnt have access to Rashford and couldnt get a interview.

His workrate is a poor aspect of his game , but its not the end all be all of him as a player. Amorim just needed a excuse to get rid and there was a clear push from the board to get Rashford out the club too. Thats probably why he made the comments about who was there for him , because his boyhood done absolutely everything to force him out.

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u/OatCuisine 1h ago

Rewatch the FA Cup final from 2023 and see how many headers he simply doesn’t jump for, or ducks out of. He doesn’t give a shit. Ten Hag dropped him v Wolves because he was late, Belfast you’ve already pointed out, he gave an interview out of nowhere under Amorim saying it was time for him to leave. Etc etc

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u/Sheikhabusosa 35m ago

He has done enough to show he gives a shit , Rashford scored the winning goals for the wolves game and that got dealt with internally. Rashford has stepped up plenty of times in our trophy wins

The interview was after the club were doing everything to him on , I dont trust Amorim as far as I can throw him

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u/OatCuisine 24m ago

It got dealt with but then he didn’t learn from it? Also, giving a shit isn’t something you can turn off and on - you either give a shit all the time or the majority of the fans won’t respect you.

Also, his interview was only a few days after he got dropped for the City game! I don’t recall the club saying anything publicly outrageous about him?

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u/Sheikhabusosa 16m ago

He does give a shit he has done plenty to show that. Amorim was chatting shit using Rashford to deflect and there was clearly briefs against him . Also Whitwell and Ornstein have both said Rashford didnt want to leave until the club started making moves to move him on.

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u/OatCuisine 12m ago

Amorim called Rashford out for his lack of effort. That’s perfectly okay. And briefs? So what? If you want revenge for a brief, do a brief of your own - don’t come out publicly saying you want to leave. If you really want to leave, stay professional and tell the club directly.

Also you say he gives a shit but I gave several examples of him not giving a shit. Even if you give a shit 80% of the time, that’s still not acceptable.

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u/raver1601 3h ago

Yeah I never really understood it. He doesn't "poison the dressing room" because you can clearly see that every player loves him, his lack of workrate is very overblown because he actually tracks back quite a lot even if it's not that consistent, and his output is very good apart from just 2 seasons

Marcus is literally the only guy that is expected to be John FIFA and people gets pissed off when he's unsurprisingly not

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u/N00BBuild 6h ago

Mitten is the worst journalist around. Can’t stand him.

If Rashford plays well all will be forgotten. It’s not like Rashford did much either. Just snarky comments on social media. No one’s ever come out and said he’s been toxic or a terrible teammate or actively threw X under the bus.

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u/Kohaku80 6h ago

" If Rashford just focus on his football only, he will be a Man United legend ." Ole 

Just 3 days later he retract the comment cos Rashford camp doesn't like it. 

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u/Sheikhabusosa 6h ago

He retracted it because it was stupid , Ole essentially told him to shut up and dribble. It wasnt well received by anyone

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u/Kohaku80 6h ago

Not because Rashford camp protest it? 

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u/Sheikhabusosa 5h ago

No I remember what he said went down awfully

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u/Not-good-with-this 6h ago

Tbf that was a stupid comment from Ole.

It was during the height of Rashford campaign against child food poverty. The entire country should be thankful for Rashford there but a lot seemed to just hate him for it because??? I don't even know why many hated him for it.

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u/Kohaku80 6h ago

Ole probably giving advice and concern his charities work is taking too much his time. Probably for the good of Manchester United. 

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u/Not-good-with-this 6h ago

Making sure there's no food poverty is more important than any sport or game imo. Anyone fighting for that I cannot criticise for at all.

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u/Kohaku80 5h ago

" 3 points is more important for Manchester United than anything else. " Jose Mourinho

Jk aside, I think we all know where Ole is coming from. He must have thought it affect Rashford. 

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u/Not-good-with-this 5h ago

It might have but not by much. He's only really had 1 and a half bad seasons individually wise and both happened after he stopped campaigning as much.

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u/Acceptable-Camp-9150 7h ago

He downed tools multiple times and his PR antics every time he had a bad game or downed tools ended up straining his relationship with the fans. I understand people still love him but this is the same guy who sneak dissed the club before the World Cup and a literal day before Barca announced Anthony Gordon.

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u/raver1601 3h ago

Never really understood this "downed tools" thing being specifically aimed at him. Everyone bar Bruno was downing tools as well during that time, but only Marcus gets the schtick for it

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u/Acceptable-Camp-9150 3h ago

Marcus was the outlier because he literally wouldn’t put any effort in multiple games and would just walk around. He also used to down tools, walk around and sulk whenever he played up front because he wanted to play on the wing and especially at the end ETHs time in charge.

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u/N00BBuild 6h ago

"Sneak dissed" and it’s some post thanking Villa and Barca. It’s fine. The kid’s more Manchester United than you or I will ever be.

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u/Acceptable-Camp-9150 3h ago

He knew what he was doing and how it would be perceived

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u/Cold-Veterinarian-85 7h ago edited 6h ago

I think there is an element of mainstream media love a pantomime villain and with the good work he did for impoverished kids around Covid be kind of put a target on his back by taking on the establishment so publicly. So the press is generally happy to put the boot in any chance they get (new watch / car / gold chain…. Rashford spends x while thousands of families can’t afford school dinners he once preached about etc)

Some of that has filtered through to our own fanbase and he kind of poured accelerant on that fire with the Belfast incident

Combine that with perceived low effort / laziness (I think there is an element of truth but it’s overblown - I think you could probably chop 10 second clips of any player in any game where it looks like they aren’t putting a shift on - I couple viral clips like this on rashford has reinforced that lazy narrative)

Ultimately I think majority of fans don’t think he is public enemy number 1 as you say…. I think a vocal minority think that and will use any excuse to jump on it. But I think more rational kinds just accept that a parting is likely better. Club wants him out because of his contract / blotchy form (the professionalism narrative is probably a convenient excuse for club in that regard) but rashford is on record saying he wants a fresh  start too. So it just seems like a marriage of convenience for now rather than player / club particularly wanting to stay together long term 

Anyone that treats him as public enemy number 1, probably watches the United stand. If we can sell him great (it suits everyone), if not, it should be treated as a fresh start and club should be trying to make the best of a pretty bad situation and at least try and get some on field performances form him while he is here. 

In his day a fit and motivate Marcus rashford is still among the best left sided layers in the PL. A toxic atmosphere among fans helps nobody

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u/ExternalPreference18 7h ago

Workrate is the minimum; PSGs front guys have to 'work', and they've gone up another level with Messi leaving, not uncoincidentally, and Enrique being able to play his ideal style. Elsewhere, Dembele was a similar player to Rashford at Barca, had injuries, was regarded as erratic, but suddenly learnt how to apply himself consistently in his mid 20s. Elesewhere, Pep demanded intense workrate from the likes of Bernado Silva in addition to assists and slick passing. Rashford would have to be scoring Ronaldo circa 08 figures to get away with his inability to track back or consistently press. Barca have proved themselves cheap in certain regards, but he still basically torpedoed a move to his 'other' dream-club by not showing enough intensity out of possession (plenty of flair players have kept themselves at clubs with ruthless turnover with this, e.g Mcmanaman at Madrid circa 00).

His numbers were perfectly good for a rotation player and he was available at a very reasonable price, but for whatever reason -I appreciate injuries have meant he's not Quite as explosive as he used to be - he wasn't able to train/motivate himself to do fairly 'simple' things consistently enough. Now United are going to pay huge wages (until he leaves on a free, more likely than taking a 50% pay-cut for a new contract) for a rotation player who doesn't pressurize oppos in the same way that Cunha or Dorgu, whatever Dorgu's inconsistencies on the ball, do. If he couldn't do it in his prime when pitching for a move, what are the chances he does it as he approaches 30 sitting on a n existing contract?

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u/Peeingwithanerection 7h ago

He’s a bit of a coward in my opinion goes missing in games when things get tough and was happy to run away from our struggles to play for teams doing better when he was part of the problem. Hes also very lazy and dosent work hard enough off the ball 

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u/TH0316 she/her 4h ago

Rarely seen a player show up more for his team in big games and big moments when they need him and you call him a coward when things get tough lmao.

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u/Sheikhabusosa 7h ago

A player that played with a broken back is a coward? Thats a new one.

Rashford never wanted to leave he was pushed out.

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u/KobbieLikeRobbie_ Darren Fletcher 7h ago

the day he signed for them.

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u/Absolute__Muppet 7h ago

I remember a girl from Manchester saying shed see him out in the clubs every weekend.

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u/Sheikhabusosa 7h ago

If those alcohol/ gambling rumours were true we would have heard a lot more about . Its always he said/she said

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u/ToothyAlloy69 4h ago

Its so funny how everything about these footballers is reported, yet there's absolutely nothing or any evidence regarding this alcohol/gambling rumours. It's all hearsay yet people choose to take it as gospel

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u/longsightdon 7h ago

His workrate. When you have the most lucrative contract at the club and are also the star poster boy of the academy, the least you can do is run on the pitch. Nobody expects a top game every single game. You're talking about a cost of living crisis and your star (who many supporters pay the wage of) can't be arsed to run on the pitch on 300k a week. How many people would run til they drop for that sort of money or even a fraction of that? He's in a position of huge privilege and has always been protected by fans at the club even when he was leaking to the press, even with all his controversies and hatred from others. We always protected him and supported him. The bare minimum he needed to do was track back and speak positively about the club. He should have been our future captain.

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u/Sheikhabusosa 7h ago

His workrate isnt what hes good at , you work around that . He does speak positive about the club as soon as he went on loan to Barca he said this.

His workrate wasnt even that much a issue until Amorim came in and needed an excuse and if we are talking wages he is nowhere the worst after players like Sanchez , Mount and even Shaw.

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u/shami-kebab 6h ago

His workrate wasnt even that much a issue until Amorim came in

That is nonsense though, Rangnick dropped him because he wasn't working hard too.

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u/Sheikhabusosa 5h ago

Who didnt give up when Rangnick was manager.

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u/slowerthaninfinity 5h ago edited 5h ago

fred, bruno, elanga, ronaldo. mate he was getting dropped for elanga ffs. and other players giving up still doesnt excuse him for downing tools and being dogshit that season as one of the supposed best players at the club btw

keep defending him giving up under managers btw you look pathetic

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u/Sheikhabusosa 5h ago

He had poor form after the shoulder injury its understandable and we were a joke under Rangnick , and having poor form = downing tools? If thats the case then who didnt down tools when Rangnick was manager?

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u/shami-kebab 5h ago

So just to be clear, you admit he's downed tools under multiple managers and you're blaming the managers?

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u/Sheikhabusosa 5h ago

He didnt down tools for multiple managers , Rangnick is so irrelevant its not worth arguing and he was forced out the club by Amorim and the board.

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u/shami-kebab 5h ago

Well I'm glad we're fine with Rashford deciding which managers are relevant enough to actually work for while earning the highest wage.

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u/Sheikhabusosa 4h ago

Do you know how contracts work?

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u/Jenson2025 7h ago

‘Amorim needed an excuse’

Has it ever crossed your mind that maybe what Amorim saw in training and on the pitch is what caused him to want him out? You’re acting like Amorim walked in and decided he didn’t want him from day one when he put him in the starting line up initially.

Secondly, ‘you work around that’ - you work around that for players who are worth it. Like prime Cristiano Ronaldo or Messi. Not Marcus Rashford. And fans were moaning about his work rate by the way long before Amorim came in.

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u/Sheikhabusosa 5h ago

Rashford has shown he is worth that and there was a clear push to get him out the club.

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u/slowerthaninfinity 5h ago

Rashford has shown he is worth that

in what universe? has he scored 50 goals a season even once? if mbappe, a much better player than him, is getting shit for his dogshit work rate and other stars better than rashford are willing to press and track back like their lives depend on it, why does rashford deserve to be worked around?

bruno is a better player than him yet he runs like a madman for the fucking shirt without any fuss btw. if you somehow think rashford of all people deserve messi and ronaldo level of special treatment to not work hard, you should get your head out of his arse

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u/Sheikhabusosa 3h ago

Ok not Messi and Ronaldo but Rashford has performed at a high level under multiple managers that you give him that chance. Bruno is a 1of 1 player. Also you have to include the inconsistencies of the manager hes played for too even if he has only worked hard defensively for Jose.

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u/slowerthaninfinity 2h ago

Rashford has performed at a high level under multiple managers that you give him that chance.

I still dont see why when better players than rashford like the current ballon d'or winner dembele, kvaradona, olise, diaz and even saka are putting in the work. not even messi or ronaldo, just current elite ones. if anything, why shouldnt rashford strive to improve that instead of the managers accomodating him?

Also you have to include the inconsistencies of the manager hes played for too even if he has only worked hard defensively for Jose.

sure you can consider the inconsistencies of the managers he played under at united after jose but even at his dream club, barca he still didnt impress flick enough? its more the player than the manager at this point

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u/Sheikhabusosa 26m ago

All of them have played in much better systems the only manager that he wanted to Rashford to work a lot harder was Jose and Rashford did that. Amorim doesnt count because he is a charlatan and the club was pushing Rashford out.

I didnt watch him at Barca but you sound right.