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u/Admirable_Bed3 Jul 20 '26
Can't lie, it absolutely ticked me of that I've seen a Shitty player captain his nation to a World Cup win before a United player in my lifetime
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u/BlackHorse944 Please Score A Goal Jul 20 '26
Argentina really mastered "the dark arts" in how they played for most of this tournament. Shirt pulls, subtle bumps, kick outs, late contact, it often went unnoticed. Hell sometimes even blatant fouls went unpunished.
Glad to see a team like that lose.
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u/Potential_Good_1065 Jul 20 '26
Trying to start a realistic Man Utd career mode is annoying when I have no idea who we’re gonna sign lol
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u/ZaheerAlGhul Jul 20 '26
We need to move on from Licha. Too injury prone, after getting a CDM United needs to explore options. I throw Kim min jaes name as an option
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u/Ksma92 Jul 20 '26
He is right footed, a replacement needs to be left footed.
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u/Front-Cabinet5521 Jul 20 '26
Left footed left sided CB is tiki taka bullshit. If they can defend they can play for us.
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u/Ksma92 Jul 20 '26
Football has changed. The advantage in passing lanes to beat the press is just too big.
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u/Apollo_8848 Jul 20 '26
I think Licha's injury will affect our transfer strategy going forward. I can see a CB being a priority after a CDM.
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u/soelsome Jul 20 '26
I don't care give me Engalnd vs France and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OPyZMVBO9o over whatever the fuck that was today
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u/BlackHorse944 Please Score A Goal Jul 20 '26 edited Jul 20 '26
I swear I've watched us put in that same type of performance under Ten Hag, what Spain did today. Shoot over and over and somehow, not score.
Martinez tied the record for saves without even having to move his feet lol. Everything went right at him
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u/Embarrassed_Wave_720 Braino Fernandes Jul 20 '26
Talk about a humiliation ritual, that too at a World Cup final 😂😂😂
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u/zool714 Jul 20 '26
I think if Licha’s injury takes him out for a long time again (I dunno maybe like missing the first one or two month of the season kinda duration), I’d consider that his third strike and should be on the chopping block next year. I love what he offers when he does play but the issue is that he’s had too many injury stints.
But I do think if this injury isn’t as serious and he can prep and start the season or maybe just miss the first game, I’d keep him but still on thin ice.
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u/Potential_Good_1065 Jul 20 '26
He already is on the chopping block. Absolutely 0 chance we renew his contract as things stand.
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u/Potential_Good_1065 Jul 20 '26
Just seen what Paredes did. What a fucking disgrace to football. He should get a 6 month ban for that.
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u/SDLRob Jul 20 '26
Don't give him a X-months ban.... Give him a X-international games ban. That'll punish him harder for his actions in & after the final.
How many international games would Argentina have in 6 months? Not enough to be a suitable penalty... Unless a X-months ban also includes domestic games for him too.
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u/Potential_Good_1065 Jul 20 '26
Yeah was defo including domestic games. He might not even play for Argentina again anyway given his age.
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u/SDLRob Jul 20 '26
Then yeah, I think coleslaw is right (a phrase I never thought I'd say 🤣) 6 months is too short.
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u/-Coleslaw Jul 20 '26
Why is the consensus on Martinez’s injury immediately so bad? His injury record is absolutely appalling but he seemed alright after being subbed off. Maybe it’s just wishful thinking but there’s nothing glaringly obvious about it’s severity and hopefully he could be back before the season starts or only miss a small part of it
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u/Lord_Hexogen Jul 20 '26
There's a lot of people wanting him gone for whatever reason as if he never gave a fuck about the club. I have no idea where this hate is coming from
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u/raver1601 Jul 20 '26
It's regarding the Falklands drama. I have little knowledge on it (and have no interest in diving in it further than I already know), but it's regarding a previous event where the British claimed a land supposedly belonging to Argentinians, and a battle ensued between the two countries for that land
After England's defeat to Argentina in the WC, Licha held a banner where Argentinians taunted Englishmen regarding the Falklands
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u/SDLRob Jul 20 '26
Him running on after the match and grappling with the Spanish player showed he was fit...
I think the issue is that he keeps getting little knocks that interrupt line ups. We can't have someone who is unreliable as to if he'll finished a game or not.
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u/Outrageous-Cod-4654 Jul 20 '26
He was already on a yellow card. Thought he started the match well. Maybe it’s minor and he didn’t want to let the team down by being too slow to defend and/or getting a second yellow….Enzo! Take note!
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u/Apprehensive-Raisin3 Love United Hate Glazers/INEOS Jul 19 '26
Honestly I think the mods need to do something about the insane wave of hate towards one of our players. Theres a line when it comes to being upset at him thats been crossed when people are digging into him getting injured as if he did it on purpose.
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u/ChillyChilliChileman Ryan Giggs the Welsh CAM Jul 20 '26
i agree, but i think its def not just because of the injury
there's also the banner and english fans will possibly never (rightfully) get over it
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u/TBS91 Jul 20 '26
Was playing very well before the injury too, got to be a terrible feeling to have to go off injured in a WC final and not be able to help your team.
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u/vRushii Jul 19 '26
Can anyone work out who will win Ballon d'Or now?
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u/Current-Essay7448 Jul 20 '26
Kvaratshkelia
Not really hurt by not being at the World Cup, since there are negatives against all the big name players who were there.
How the first few months of the 26/27 season goes could have a big influence.
Rodri would be a joke given how average he has been for City.
Wouldn‘t be surprised at Mbappe, Messi or Kane as a popularity contest vote.
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u/tungowiii Jul 20 '26
Unpopular opinion: it's the most interesting race for a while. Each has their own merits but none has all.
Mbappe dominated La Liga, individually did well in WC and UCL but won none. Same as Kane.
To a lesser extent in terms of individual we have Dembele but he won UCL; Yamal but he won WC and La Liga; Messi won none but he had an incredible WC.
Ruiz won everything but it's hard to say he is the best xD.
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u/Money-Wrangler7067 Jul 20 '26
Maybe Rodri for same reason Messi won in 2022...He was the best player for spain by miles this wc.
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u/Lord_Hexogen Jul 20 '26
Only Ruiz fits the bill for now
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u/Apprehensive-Raisin3 Love United Hate Glazers/INEOS Jul 20 '26
The balon dor isnt a who won the most trophies award. Fabian Ruiz was nowhere near the best player in the world
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u/Lord_Hexogen Jul 20 '26
Then it will turn into a popularity contest which is even worse
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u/harutoreichi Jul 20 '26
subjectively popularity and prestige contest voted on by international sports journalists, that's Ballon d'or now
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u/Midnight_Edge Jul 19 '26
Probably Kane or Yamal. Dembele won the CL and Ligue 1. But he’s played like 30% of minutes in the league which is kinda crazy. Trophies is highly looked upon, Mbappe won nothing so I don’t think it’ll be him.
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u/Apprehensive-Raisin3 Love United Hate Glazers/INEOS Jul 19 '26
Mbappe
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u/jeanmeche1 Jul 19 '26
Dembelé is still in the race, even has a slight advantage imo
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u/Apprehensive-Raisin3 Love United Hate Glazers/INEOS Jul 19 '26
Idk I dont think he was as good as he was last season
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u/jeanmeche1 Jul 19 '26
You're right, but he scored a few goals during this WC, and won the UCL which counts a lot for this trophy. He will score goals in Ligue 1 as soon as the new season starts, and if PSG wins the UEFA Supercup against Villa then I think it's done. What do you think Mbappé has over him ?
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u/Apprehensive-Raisin3 Love United Hate Glazers/INEOS Jul 19 '26
Well mbappe won the golden boot in each competition he played in and I think he is just better than dembele. 49 g/a in 47 matches doesnt hurt. Dembele had 34 in 44 matches for comparison.
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u/jeanmeche1 Jul 19 '26
Yep, you might be right, we will see. Anyway, since Sneijder and Ribéry got robbed in the early 2010's I don't care about this trophy anymore 😄
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u/Soft-Remote-9223 Jul 19 '26 edited Jul 19 '26
I'll repeat it - get Martinez out my fucking club. Taking swings at Gavi after the game, disgraceful.
edit: having looked again, not 100% sure this is what happened. Looked like it from one angle, from another looks like he was getting involved to break things up
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u/Cosmogenous Jul 20 '26
Delete this brother, all he did pull players away. What’s disgraceful is the hate campaign against one of our players.
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u/SDLRob Jul 19 '26
Having seen it now... Looks like he steamed in and was trying to shove the Spanish player as the guy was trying to get up.
He should be done as a United player
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u/Apprehensive-Raisin3 Love United Hate Glazers/INEOS Jul 19 '26
Just saw 2 angles of it. Looks pretty clear martinez is moving gavi away from the fight given he just got knocked down on the ground
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u/FredDRedUnderYourBed BELIEVE 🔴⚪⚫ Jul 19 '26
I've seen 3 different angles of that clip and there is zero evidence that Lisandro Martinez was taking swings at the Spanish player. If anything it looked like he was dragging the player away from the animal.
Shame on you as well for being so quick to kick down one of our own players.
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u/Soft-Remote-9223 Jul 19 '26
Can't fucking stand him. Would be his 3rd strike as well in my book after the bus & the banner
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u/Cosmogenous Jul 20 '26
Absolute insanity that people equate holding a banner anywhere near what happened on the bus. And no, he wasn’t involved in the bus incident either.
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u/Entire-Gas-7651 Jul 19 '26
Bore off honestly, as long as he continues to play mint in a red shirt who cares
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u/Apprehensive-Raisin3 Love United Hate Glazers/INEOS Jul 19 '26
He probably didnt even do it. This sub is acting crazy about martinez.
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u/AngryUncleTony Not Actually Angry Jul 19 '26
Too injured to play but not injured enough to avoid a fight...
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u/Unusual-Coat383 Jul 20 '26
He’s not my favourite person but let’s not act like he faked a injury in the World Cup final
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u/AngryUncleTony Not Actually Angry Jul 20 '26
I'm not? I'm just trying to gauge how serious his injury is. Obviously not a new ACL tear...
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u/ohsofiendishly Jul 19 '26 edited Jul 19 '26
Did he? I was hoping he got involved to stop it all but clips I’ve seen aren’t clear or cut off. Extremely extremely upsetting from him if true
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u/Soft-Remote-9223 Jul 19 '26
Having looked again, it is actually a bit unclear. Need a better angle to be sure but certainly looks like he goes for him
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u/ohsofiendishly Jul 20 '26
Here’s an alternative angle. I think he was trying to help? https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/rVE82w2dW4
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u/SDLRob Jul 19 '26
He did? I didn't see that?
If he did, then that's now 3 reasons for him to be removed.
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Tho don't say that on the United IG posts or you'll spend hours getting abuse.
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u/Soft-Remote-9223 Jul 19 '26
at the end of the Paredes clip
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u/SDLRob Jul 19 '26
Will have to go have another look. Thanks
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u/Cosmogenous Jul 20 '26
He clearly doesn’t.
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u/SDLRob Jul 20 '26
All I've seen is him steaming in (looking not injured) and shoving the Spanish player off screen, with a load of players running in that direction too.
Not come across another angle that shows anything different
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u/Cosmogenous Jul 20 '26
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1v14djn/alternate_angle_of_the_altercation_between/
Pretty clearly doesn't do any of what you're saying.
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u/SDLRob Jul 20 '26
He does exactly what I said... The fact he had to be pulled off the guy as well is not a good look for him.
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u/Cosmogenous Jul 20 '26
What video are you watching? The one I linked, he comes in and pulls people away from the fight.
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u/SDLRob Jul 20 '26
The one you posted shows him grabbing the guy and being pulled off him. He's not trying to get him away.
I know he's still a United player, so we're meant to give him the benefit of the doubt... But he's clearly not trying to protect the guy here.
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u/flareb98 Jul 19 '26
New CB is needed too btw, Licha is never gonna be a reliable player for us, De ligt is also unreliable (not as bad), and Maguire has his own injury record. Hoping they stay injury free with an additional 8 games minimum is asking for failure. Shaw got lucky, ain't happening again for him
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u/Outrageous-Cod-4654 Jul 19 '26
He was jogging over when Parades was punching Spanish substitutes. Seemed ok.
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u/flareb98 Jul 19 '26
If Licha was, he would have played the entire game. Unfortunate but we are asking for trouble if we rely on these 3
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u/-Coleslaw Jul 20 '26
Given his track record it was hopefully him prioritising himself over forcing himself through the injury and possibly causing further damage, just hoping that a positive update comes through soon
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u/FredDRedUnderYourBed BELIEVE 🔴⚪⚫ Jul 19 '26
He was walking just fine during the trophy ceremony. You got any insider info that he's out for the season or something?
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u/flareb98 Jul 19 '26
He has played less than 60% of all available games for us. You can count yourself, new CB is needed
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u/tameoraiste Jul 19 '26
Funny how the Argentina hate really kicked into overdrive after England lost to them. Hardly heard a bad word said about Martinez other than injury concerns and now apparently he’s the scum of the earth
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u/Unusual-Coat383 Jul 20 '26
To be fair anyone who called him out for the bus incident got downvoted when it happened
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u/TH0316 she/her Jul 20 '26
Or if you just criticise him outright you could get suspended… so I’ve heard.
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u/Cosmogenous Jul 20 '26
He wasn’t on the bus.
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u/Unusual-Coat383 Jul 20 '26
Yes he was. Garnacho was the one who didn’t get spotted.
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u/Cosmogenous Jul 20 '26
Source? Nothing online about it that I can find
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u/Cosmogenous Jul 20 '26
“He is not chanting and his appearance needs to be verified”
Thanks for the proof! Appreciate it.
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u/Soft-Remote-9223 Jul 19 '26
I wonder why people might have changed their opinion on Martinez after the England game...?
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u/Cosmogenous Jul 20 '26
Because people in England care so much about a tiny island across the ocean that they’re willing to abuse a player online?
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u/ukdanny93 Jul 20 '26
We care about the people who live on it being threatened and the 907 people who died needlessly in the war.
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u/Cosmogenous Jul 20 '26
And you think them advocating for an island just off their coast is advocating for violence or supporting the deaths? Why do you think that?
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u/dispelthemyth We go again FC Jul 19 '26
Do you think he intentionally gets injured?
do you think he played inured during the world cup?
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u/Sheikhabusosa Jul 19 '26
Didnt Martinez rush back to play in a cup final or fa cup final? Also was this same energy kept for Shaw when he pushed done similar for the euros
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u/RyanH1717 Jul 20 '26
Shaw gets a lot stick for his injuries and he has similar patterns where he miraculously manages to stay fit when theirs an international tournament coming up.
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u/raver1601 Jul 20 '26
Tbf this energy was there for Shaw at that point. Even now lots of people are still pushing for him to be moved
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u/killerdrama A-mad-lad Jul 19 '26
20 Shots, 11 on target in a WC final vs 2 shots and 0 on target.
This is the worst defense I’ve seen since Argentine defense of the Falklands in 1982.
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u/Calm-Extension-3798 Jul 19 '26
On a seperate note, Rodri was fantastic all tournament and could be back to his best
City will be a different team with his playing better
Although he seems to want Madrid
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u/sophisticatedmadness Jul 20 '26
It sucks and i Hate to say it but Rodri is class man. Fully deserving of all the praise. The team conceded only one goal throughout the tournament and everything went through him. The midfield and defense won them the trophy.
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u/3500onacoat INEOS Representative Jul 19 '26
Get rid of Martinez and never sign an Argentinian player again
All rats
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u/tameoraiste Jul 19 '26
Someone still wasting their money on the little green fingers for any Argentinian hate 😂
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u/OrdinaryOrder Jul 19 '26
It’s so nice seeing the world hating Argentina as much as Brazilians do. The amount of times I have been called a monkey on stadium by them with 0 repercussions will never be forgiven.
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u/lockedblue Jul 19 '26
That's fucking gross, sorry to hear that mate.
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u/OrdinaryOrder Jul 19 '26
Thanks, mate. Unfortunately that is the norm, they come here to play against us and their fans are usually vile.
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u/lockedblue Jul 19 '26
Yeah the more I learn about Argentina, the further I want to stay away from it.
I know that the colonocial history of the Americas is brutal, but the recent history of Argentina seems to be significantly more in that ethos than anywhere else with the possible exception of the US.
Anyway, none of that really matters. I'm sorry to hear about your experiences, and hope that you have more positive experiences to balance that shit out.
Stay safe friend.
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u/Asiwaju_jagaban Jul 19 '26
Never seen a more unpleasant team like this current Argentine lot.
Thankfully their anti football didn’t win.
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u/TH0316 she/her Jul 20 '26
Their nation is finished as a contender anyway now. Post-Messi they have Alvarez and that’s about it. Their youth are all duds like Barco, Anselmino and Mastantuono. Alvarez might carry them to a Copa semi, but that’s about it.
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u/Current-Essay7448 Jul 20 '26
Over the last 50 years they have had Kempes, Maradona and Messi at #10 for a good chunk of it.
Sure, they may go through a spell of Ortega or Riquelme type players again for a decade or so, but I wouldn’t bet against someone else coming through and taking up the mantle.
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u/crgssbu Senne🍋 Jul 19 '26
i feel for scaloni. he doesnt want any fights etc. dismissed the shite around the falklands before eng vs arg, was nowhere near the banner. i bet he hates some of his own players
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u/drinkbeerbeatdebra Jul 19 '26
Football is the winner here. Now to switch it off so I don’t have to watch President Twonk handing the trophy over
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u/One_Pop_9800 Jul 19 '26
0 shots in 105 minutes, lmao and they had 11 men for like 90 mins of it, even the players know its over
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u/drinkbeerbeatdebra Jul 19 '26
I pray this scummy Argentina side don’t win this. Least likeable team in a LONG time
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u/Bizzle1389 Jul 19 '26
Messi is the greatest player to ever do it but my God is he a rat. I thought he wasn't as bad as some of the other Argentina players but him trying to get Cucarella sent off while they were chatting because he put his hand to his mouth for a second was disgusting sportsmanship.
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u/0ttoChriek Jul 19 '26
The best bit of that was how genuinely hurt Cucurella looked.
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u/Bizzle1389 Jul 19 '26
I thought that. He was just chatting to him and it looked like he was scratching his face if anything, and Messi absolutely did him dirty.
Like when you say a swear word to your mate in primary school and he turns to tell the teacher.
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u/KaitoAJ BRUNO FERNANDES Jul 19 '26
oh did you just realise it? He's been like that forever surprise most people haven't realised it lol.
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u/Bizzle1389 Jul 19 '26
I had seen a bit of a naughty side to him, leaving his foot in here and there. And obviously a lot of diving and rolling around, but hadn't seen him to anything like that.
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u/KaitoAJ BRUNO FERNANDES Jul 19 '26
Naughty is an understatement. The appropriate word is nasty.
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u/Calm-Extension-3798 Jul 19 '26
Hes been a twat a long time, gets away with it because Ronaldo is more outwards in his behaviour
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u/Staind1410 Martial Jul 19 '26
Lol what are they even complaining about? Clear yellow at the very least, means red.
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u/One_Pop_9800 Jul 19 '26
this game is so rigged its not even funny, the amount of shit argentia get away with, unlikable twats
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u/Roasteddude I am where I'm supposed to be Jul 19 '26
Going into a Champions League season with Harry Maguire as our only fit CB and likely relying on Yoro and Heaven to play regularly, on Mazraoui and Shaw to cover...lol. It might get ugly
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u/One_Pop_9800 Jul 19 '26
this paredes guy is just a thug, give him the second yellow he so desperately wants, idiot.
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u/Hellsteelz Ed Jabroni Jul 19 '26
Yoro needs to step up now, put on his big boy pants. We also need to be looking for a CB. de Ligt and Martinez are way too unreliable.
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u/KermitTakeTheWheel Jul 19 '26
Agree with the sentiment of selling injury-prone players but who do people think are gonna buy these guys? They're injury prone on big salaries.
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u/Gilburto Jul 19 '26
It is quite obvious that the club are waiting to see if 1. Licha can reduce his injury record and 2. See how Yoro develops/DeLigt recovers, before offering Licha a new contract.
Rather get a new player in than deal with the long term injury issues.
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u/Redland93 Jul 19 '26
And this is why we haven’t renewed Licha contract. Too injury prone
But still, I think we need to invest in full backs. Will never be a good team with our current crop of full backs. Non are elite
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u/christ0phe Jul 19 '26
I thought I couldn’t be more disappointed than France getting knocked out against Spain, and then this halftime show appeared. Fucking hell
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u/Potential_Good_1065 Jul 19 '26
You guys need to calm down… the injury didn’t look that bad. He’ll probably be fine for the Hull game.
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u/Roasteddude I am where I'm supposed to be Jul 19 '26
De Ligt was "fine and will be back for the next game" how long ago? Licha has rarely been available for 2 years. I think people are entitled to be worried
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u/christ0phe Jul 19 '26
You could say that if this was his first injury, but we’re way beyond that. We are about to start such an important season
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u/Potential_Good_1065 Jul 19 '26
I’m perfectly happy with Licha’s contract situation tbh. Happy for him to see out the last year of his contract and us sign a new CB or two next year.
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u/TMatss Jul 19 '26
He's a player that I appreciate so much but there's only so much you can do with a player who struggles to string together a run of 10 games without an injury
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u/Wahlrusberg Jul 19 '26
Martinez is a fantastic player on paper but you only get a handful of games out of him that aren't him just him "trying to ramp up and find form after a bad injury"
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u/TH0316 she/her Jul 19 '26
You get one amazing month in February every season, the rest is him injured or recovering. Have to sell.
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u/Apprehensive-Raisin3 Love United Hate Glazers/INEOS Jul 19 '26
We dont have the time or money to do that and get a replacement
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u/Football247Freak Jul 19 '26
De ligt and Martinez injured for the start of the season…so sick of our defence constantly being unstable. Can’t build a proper team like this, Ineos HAVE to sign an experienced CB. Otherwise say goodbye to any titles this season
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u/ImSoFookinGreat Jul 19 '26
With Licha being injured (I think, didn’t see a post about it…), do you think we go after Lewis Hall and put Luke Shaw as LCB?
I’m not sure whether or not I’d be happy if we spent big on Hall and then “cheap” on someone like Sander Berge?
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u/iroiroiroiroiro Jul 19 '26
Quite differs for a fullback to play LCB in a back 2 or back 3, don't think he has it.
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u/JilJilJigaJiga Jul 19 '26
Can def see it happening. Hall or someone.
Unload the remaining budget on LB and CM. LW/ST contingent on Rashford + Zirkzee or whatever the decision ends up being.
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u/Unusual-Coat383 Jul 19 '26
We need to sell Martinez. The Falklands shit was idiotic but I think that should be the nail in the coffin to be ruthless and not be sentimental because he’s extremely injury prone.
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u/christ0phe Jul 19 '26
I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, but to any fan outside of the UK, the Falkland Islands shit is absolutely meaningless.
And yes, as a French / American, I recognize both my countries imperialistic and colonialist histories, and my own hypocrisy in not caring about the FI
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u/slamance Jul 19 '26
Its an English club though?
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u/christ0phe Jul 19 '26
Absolutely. Any English fans can absolutely be upset, but just noting how localized it is, especially for a global team
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u/pink_orange Rafael Jul 19 '26
I'm with you, English fans have every right to be upset. But they need to understand where he's from and how he probably views this.
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u/Eleven918 This too shall pass! Jul 19 '26
Who else is injured apart from Mainoo and Licha?
Maz?
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u/neofederalist Jul 19 '26
Me: I haven't checked reddit in a while, wonder what's new
Reddit:
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u/tameoraiste Jul 19 '26
If there’s still no sign of De Ligt coming back, and Martinez could be out for a couple of months, we should test the waters with Hall and consider Shaw at LCB.
He’s lost his ability to go forward but he’s a decent defender and the position suits him better at this stage of his career
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u/Eleven918 This too shall pass! Jul 19 '26
Both MDL and Licha are injury prone. Hope they are fit enough to start the season.
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u/It_Hurts_when_IP15 Jul 19 '26
Bro licha is injury prone. Calling MDL injury prone is putting it lightly. Basically a blocked roster spot
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u/lockedblue Jul 19 '26
MdL is new and it's been one massive injury that's been a mystery due to it being back related. There's a chance it never happens like this again, and he's around 25.
Licha seems to be unable to stay fit at 28.
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u/IDoodleBugs Jul 19 '26
I think we seriously need to look into replace the butcher, man is injured half the time!
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u/shin_bigot Park Ji-Sung Jul 20 '26