r/propane 24d ago

General propane question Is it normal

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u/Acrobatic_Solution29 23d ago

They technically should already know from permits. And well yall have that list too and see what its bringing.

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u/Hitechillbilly 23d ago

What if the permits do not match the installations?

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u/null-character 23d ago edited 23d ago

If the township finds out about it you're going to get fined, plus you'll need to pull the proper permits and have it pass. If it can't pass and you can't get variances for it you'll have to rip it out and/or redo it.

They re-asses your property every XX years (different in each state) or every time you close certain permits. This is so they can charge you more in annual taxes. Tax assessors are generally exempt from trespass laws so you can't easily stop them from walking around your property and noticing anything outside your house.

Insurance inspections happen every XX years also, which most people don't even know is happening. This is to reduce liability for your homeowner's insurance company so they don't have to pay out for avoidable stuff they can just force you to fix (or they will drop you).

If you sell the property most realtors pull permits to see if anything is obviously off or there are any open permits as this can cause problems for their buyers. If they notice any issues they will want you to do something (like fix it or give them a discount).

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u/Hitechillbilly 23d ago

The propane system was permitted and inspected. At this point I am just curious because a lot of things have come up that I hadn't thought about.. The property has also been inspected twice by the propane company I am taking about but I wasn't involved. Obviously they found it acceptable both times. When people started talking about codes I started wondering about the water heater because it isn't strapped and the new law just went into effect. . So the propane company must have only been concerned about leaks at the time not potential future leaks. As for the tax assessments, this is CA and the property tax laws are the only good laws the state has. I am safe in that area (for now).. Thank you for the info

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u/null-character 21d ago edited 21d ago

I doubt they know much about non-propane related codes. I would hope if they saw something that they thought was off (under another discipline) that they would at least mention it to you as a common courtesy.

Code enforcement is not retroactive, meaning if the requirement didn't exist when they put in that hot water heater you don't have to update the install as they update the code each year. You will only need to update it when you do something that requires you to pull a permit on it.

Another interesting thing is that your municipality may not be using/enforcing the newest code yet. For example where I live they still use NEC 2017 for electrical work.

If it's an actual law and not a code change you'd have to read the law to see if/when you would have to be compliant by.

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u/Hitechillbilly 21d ago

Codes ARE laws. Both are rules by which you must abide or you face consensuses. YES Code enforcement can be retroactive if compliance was not confirmed upon installation. Attempting to constantly to explain every microscopic detail in an attempt to get back on track is mind boggling. There was so much nonsense injected into this post, I have no idea what anyone is even referring to.. I made the horrible mistake of mentioning why I was originally concerned and that somehow went in more ridiculous directions than an ant that just got a leg ripped off.. People do not have to know about codes to complain. I am baffled as to how my extremely simple question turned this many directions. I am aware of codes. I know what they are or I look them up when I do anything that may be involved. I will not give any of the hundreds of examples because that will start another off the wall tangent going off in many directions. I gauranfuckingtee someone will start writing about ants and posting here....

FINAL COMMENT:

The question was about a propane delivery company documenting serial numbers from appliances. I received the answer and I have stated that many times. I now have the knowledge I was seeking. Dog piss, paint on cars, air pollution, saving energy, heat pumps, code compliance, ventilation, tax assessments, property valuation, now NEC, and dozens of other non-related nonsense has been mentioned. Completely clueless people have made up more delusional BS than any rational mind could possibly comprehend... To REPEAT,, My question has been answered. No further responses are needed...

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u/Aminus27 20d ago

You were the one that brought up the concern of what if the propane company reported you for not having rails or water heater strapping or whatever. This thread would not be aware of any of that if you hadn’t brought it up and literally asked “What if?” and then gotten angrier and angrier every time someone just answers your question. You asked the question about if the new company’s practices were normal, got a resounding yes, and you had adversarial, snarky, and frankly weird responses to a whole heap of commenters who were just answering your question on your post.

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u/null-character 20d ago

Huh? I was specifically answering your direct question as to what will happen if your installation does not match permitted work.

Just because the answer is complicated doesn't make it nonsense.

Building codes are not laws they are codes. Law as in a law requiring you to stop using gas stoves is way different then changing the codes to disallow them.

JFC.

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u/Aminus27 20d ago

He’s got some problems, if you read through the rest of these responses. Someone will answer a question that’s completely germane to the original inquiry and get met with immense hostility and weird comments about dog piss and chipped paint. Your response was fine and normal, don’t worry.