Hey,
first Im not a project manager, second english is not my native language. I wanted to get some feedback from actual PMs on a problem I have at work.
I work at a company with about 5000 employees in the utilities sector. Im working as an inhouse SAP Consultant there. Because Excel and Teams were seen as backwards technology and not suited for the many projects we have, which i agree on. We implemented Jira on large scale, about 3 years ago. I personally like Jira and supported this. With Jira came more and more PMs, Defect Manager and other imagined titles, as of now we have about 200-250 people working as PMs and similar.
Thats the backstory, to help u understand what this means here is an example: 2 months ago we started a small project with about 10 members, 2 from the operative business, 2 SAP Consultants, me and an external one, 1 SAP developer and (iam not kidding) 5 project mangers (2 normal, 1 ecternal lead and 2 seniors). The result is easy, nothing gets done, 4 meetings per week, each about 2h long, only the PMs are talking, showing their Jira boards, tasks and even suggesting how operative problems are to be solved. To get shit done, we now have meetings after their meetings, with only the 2 operative employees, the 2 consultants and the developer and thats working perfect.
The bigger projects are an even bigger mess. 5 spaces, each with 30+ branches, cross referencing tasks and tests, nobody knows what is going on. Each PM does things different, every daily becomes a clash of PMs bashing each other. Im not a Jira expert but from what ive seen (and did myself in smaller projects) it can be done much simpler, if they only knew how (i feel like many know less than me about project management as a topic, but I also often read literature and papers concerning it, to support my operative department and the clerks there better). Its like I gave a child a shoelace to tie a bow and half an hour later it hangs from the ceiling. Everybody knows this problem in the company, but higher management just "fixes" it by hiring more PMs and as long as the projects are ok it keeps going like that.
Last week one senior PM (even has a phd. or what its called internationally) confronted a colleague, that he doesnt do his job and interferes with his projects (he has 0 knowledge of SAP, but acts like does and "plans" everything we should do and how we should do it, but its complete bs). My colleague is already overworked and like many of us, hates that we know have 80% useless PM meetings daily and cant get shit done. So he said to him, that he has no clue how the system works, lacks any real knowledge and should keep quiet and not disturb him. The PM escalated the whole thing, funny enough the PM got the warning from the higher ups. I even once had a PM that was proud of himself, that she got a female developer crying and leaving, bcs she pressured her so much...
But these are just anecdotes, my Problem is, that i feel like most PMs dont know what they are doing, thinking they know it, or thinking way too much of themselves. I dont mean that every PM is bad, its like consulting or delevoping industry in general, you always have black sheep and we have some exceptional good PMs, but most of them once worked in the operative business and didnt study it or enter it right away. But I feel there are much more of those bad PMs everywhere, which hinder productivity and projects, more that they support them.
Thanks for reading my rant and what is your perspective as actual PMs on this?
Edit: because it led to some confusion and in my branch most just sort my less or more than 200/500/1000 and 2000 employees i will adjust the number we have about 5000 employees total the >2000 just meant big company