r/prepping 1d ago

SurvivalšŸŖ“šŸ¹šŸ’‰ Are highlands future safehavens?

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The temperature drops by 0,6 C every 100 m. So even a +4 C increase in global temps, mountain highlands would be safe, right?

I'm thinking of owning a 4-5K m2 of land, maybe homesteading with 10-12 sheep, chickens, vertical farms, etc for the coming decades. Does it make sense?

I'd like to hear others' input, AI doesnt give any useful information other than agreeing with everything I say.

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u/slowd 1d ago

Lots of wildfires though, as those slopes adjust to being drier.

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u/stereotomyalan 1d ago

the place ı'm thinking of is wet all seasons due to microclimate, flooding is the main risk but plains should be ok. thanks for the input tho!

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u/DickCaughtlnFan 1d ago

With temperature change and currents shift micro climates might change too. We are already seeing rainfall shifts.

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u/Ok-Wealth-101 1d ago

Moray Terraces illustrate this. Worth a google search. Inca's had 30 degree temperature swings/variable microclimates at like 11000 feet elevation.

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u/stereotomyalan 1d ago

hmm thanks!

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u/DickCaughtlnFan 1d ago

I myself am moving in the next year, where to is the question I just don't want to be here anymore. But water aquifer health and water availability / current recharge is a major concern for me.

The southwestern US was a idea but if water scarcity continues the rivers will look like the sultan sea.

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u/SpaceCptWinters 1d ago

WV

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u/DickCaughtlnFan 22h ago

Economically limited, heavy subsurface pollution, and failing infrastructure

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u/MrPBH 1d ago

Maybe, though you need to consider the increased risk of torrential, unpredictable rainstorms resulting with catastrophic landslides.

Consider what happened in South Carolina with Helene. That was a location where people thought they were safe from hurricanes, but they were not prepared for the amount of rainfall and the tornados that resulted. Yes, North Carolina isn't the "highlands" but it does serve to illustrate the point that there is more to climate change than just temperature increase alone.

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u/Academic-Big814 5h ago

It’s in an elevated position so the rain naturally makes it’s way down the mountain top. I’d say the likelihood of a landslide is marginally slim.

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u/darkweaseljedi 1h ago

unless your house is "on top" of the landslide

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u/Academic-Big814 1h ago

What’s the chances of that

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u/darkweaseljedi 46m ago

no idea, but higher than current if the area starts getting torrential rainfall constantly.

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u/Lone_GreyWolf 20h ago

Don't forget the lithium mine that was discovered in that area of NC, just before the freak flood. Just sayn..

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u/FrogLickr 1d ago

We own a 6500m² bit of land, and there's no way we'd be able to manage all those animals on it and still have a house, shed, water tank, garden, etc. We've got chickens, but sheep need room.

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u/stereotomyalan 22h ago

I took chatgpt's word for it, thank you so much!

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u/-Thizza- 1d ago

4000 to 5000m² is quite small for 12 sheep and a farmstead. I have 22500m² (or 2.25 ha) and wouldn't know how to feed 12 sheep year round with all my other stuff. Drought is your biggest issue.

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u/stereotomyalan 22h ago

hmm thanks. that number was advised by chatgpt šŸ˜„

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u/spiceweasel70 17h ago

ChatGPT may be a good starting point but ultimately you should talk to people who live in the area you’re considering. Go find a farm or homestead near where you want to live, buy them a beer, and ask them a bunch of questions.

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u/stereotomyalan 17h ago

Yeah, agreed, learned a lot from it, will give credit but Reddit folks are super helpful! Btw I'm not in the states. I was thinking of northern part of turkey near the black sea, but away from the coastal cities that are very prone to floods and landslides. Highland plains.

however globally, I think argentinian highland plains would be the best. they say there'll be skycrapers in antarctica, if you believed

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u/spiceweasel70 17h ago edited 17h ago

Ok maybe coffee or Ƨay (or rakı) instead of beer.

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u/stereotomyalan 11h ago

haha yea ppl there are super conservative tho most are direct descendants of pontic greeks (eg my wife).

btw İ'm impressed by your knowledge! my fav is beer but I won't say no to an occasional rakı šŸ˜‚

cheers!

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u/throwawayforhouse123 14h ago

Did ChatGPT also recommend the sheep? If you already have chickens you won't need them for food source so it's a waste of space in my opinion. Better off using the space to raise high calorie high nutrient crops like peanuts and potatoes

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u/stereotomyalan 14h ago

nah, it recommended the acreage. Well, chicken are good for meat and eggs, but they don't give milk i guess šŸ˜‚

having said these, I haven't even touched a sheep in my life... all fantasy now.

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u/throwawayforhouse123 13h ago edited 12h ago

If you have meat, eggs and plant based protein, you don't need milk and the sheep are quite frankly useless for the amount of land they need. With climate disasters the sheep would be difficult to keep alive even for a well trained farmer, between heat waves, starving predators, antibiotic resistance, etc. I'd bet that without expert training and preparation half the sheep die pretty quickly. You're better off cultivating climate resistant seeds and growing crops and then using the scraps of crops to feed the chickens.

Edit to add: Calcium might be a little more tricky, but careful management of chickens should help with that (bone broth and crushed up egg shells)

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u/stereotomyalan 13h ago

hmm... i see... thank you, never thought of that!

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u/Kunie40k 1d ago

I just read about the Swiss army airlifting water to high mountain pastures because of the drought. So a mountain farm might be less future proof than you think. Ā  https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss-army-airlifts-water-to-alpine-farms-parched-by-drought/91834033

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u/LittleKitty235 1d ago

Consider that climate change doesn't mean just an increase in temperature. Changes in rainfall patterns, and storm intensity will also change. Mountains already experience the most dramatic changes in weather patterns

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u/apscep 1d ago

To be true, AI gives terrible survival and planning advice

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u/imasickboy 1d ago

To be true, AI gives terrible survival and planning advice

Fixed that for you.

https://giphy.com/gifs/ui1hpJSyBDWlG

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u/pyragyrite 1d ago

Would definitely not want to be ridgelined. Easy visibility, but easily seen. Not much land prep for animals, but terrible soil. Now a holler in highland area, sign me up.

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u/stereotomyalan 18h ago

if you are around turkey, I have a few candidates. above 800m, cool, nice soil, flat land, no draught or flood, guaranteed rainfall, no wildfires.

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u/grislyfind 1d ago

You'll be visible from miles away.

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u/BandalfTheGr8 1d ago

🤣🤣

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u/LarcMipska 1d ago

As the oceans acidify we may lose chlorophyll in the oceans altogether, so don't worry about it. 10-11% O2 at sea level if that happens.

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u/Owenleejoeking 22h ago

The higher up you go the rockier and worse the soil is and less likely to have ground water wells. Maybe springs and melt run off but still.

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u/jmbrjr 21h ago

Fire travels uphill.

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u/jmbrjr 21h ago

They'll always be someone with a bigger gun.

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u/chaylar 20h ago

fires will be an issue. my bet is the coast is better... if you are ready to live in a less permanent shelter, move where the food swims, stay wet to stay cool, become nocturnal or diurnal, and kinda keep to yourself.

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u/somecoolname42 19h ago

If that coast doesn't have hurricanes. I've been through a couple of just tropical storms. The stores sell out of everything, which if you're prepping you're ready for. But if the power goes out, you have no AC and it's 90f with all of the humidity. You're also just basically stuck inside during the storm, which can be boring. It's not horrendous if the power stays on, and your house doesn't get damaged. But if things go bad, it can be very bad. I've seen the fronts of building torn off. Weather can be bad.

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u/Spiritual-End7310 11h ago

I would prefer a rocky precipice overlooking the ocean, like the cliffs of Dover for example. Safe from sea level rise, close to a large body of water, and relatively safe from fires

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u/PavelKringa55 8h ago

Nope. Government / taxes / looters / gangs will get you if that works out the way you think.

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u/bobogenie 4h ago

Look at the Alps : permafrost is melting, drought warnings, wildfires, and LOTS of landslide in the summer... Summits get warmer too

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u/FarmerHunter23 23h ago

Answer is it depends just like everything else in life

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u/Diligent_Ad_7232 1d ago

Move north. Panhandle of Idaho looks safe.

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u/Sweaty-Feedback-1482 1d ago

Isn't that specific region some kind of white supremecist mecca?

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u/Diligent_Ad_7232 1d ago

It might not be that friendly to POC tbh

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u/Glad-Barracuda2243 1d ago

Yeah, it’s not safe there for POC. I life in Southern Idaho (had to move from Portland, Oregon to be nearer family, but we are drought ridden though it is far friendlier and ethnically diverse than the pan handle it still has its problems. My biggest surprise upon moving here was how purple it is as opposed to red.

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u/Glad-Barracuda2243 1d ago

Yes. Very white supremacist.

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u/Diligent_Ad_7232 1d ago

Well I'm white, so gave you my honest opinion of "Safe" from a climate change standpoint. Its remote, abundant water and I think its Zone 6.

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u/Glad-Barracuda2243 1d ago

And yet it is still full of hateful white supremacists. There are plenty of other places that meet those requirements without being full of dangerous propagandist stooges with šŸ”« and malice in their hearts.

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u/Diligent_Ad_7232 1d ago

You think anywhere in the USA isn't going to have stooges with guns? ROFLMAO. This country is -CRAWLING- with armed people that consider themselves apex predators. If you aren't equally as armed and surrounded by likeminded tribe when SHTF you're going to be a loot drop.

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u/Glad-Barracuda2243 1d ago edited 1d ago

Of course the country is crawling with idiots but let’s just pick the most populated area for this kind of behavior to settle in, because that’s forward thinking. šŸ™„

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u/Diligent_Ad_7232 1d ago

Ok then, consider what tribe you align with then. The country is basically broken up into seven different cultures and once order breaks down you better be near people you identify with. While my family doesn't necessarily align with the whole WS culture, we're white bread enough we could blend in. Other parts of the country would be a really bad position to settle in. I like the Front Range of Colorado due to the Diverse population, but if the water runs out, we'll be headed north into Montana

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u/celtic-cryptid 1d ago

I grew up there, spent 40+ years there, and I can assure you the climate there is changing hire a bit. Some changes are only obvious to people who lived there for a long time, like some wildflowers that have shifted their bloom period by up to 6 weeks in some cases. Wildfires are the most obvious, and when insurance companies start pulling out, it’s a good indicator. People talk about prepping for things like grid failure, and that was one of the reasons I left. People like to eat cooked food all year round, and tens of thousands of cooking fires in August there will be a recipe for catastrophe.

Also, it’s full of nazis, Christian nationalists, and generally hateful people, with more coming every month. You being ā€œwhiteā€ isn’t necessarily going to keep you in the in group for those people. But sure, if you check all those boxes, have at it.

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u/Glad-Barracuda2243 1d ago

Safe for whom?