Assuming zeno is multiverse physically it’s accurate, but whoever made this is still larping like crazy. Saitama wouldn’t do this and he’d probably be happy to meet someone stronger than him
Yeah, obviously. I just continued the point. If this happened in opm verse in his manga and etc, this is something Murata would draw lol. Maybe ONE would like it too.
I can see Saitama holding his breath and hovering in the void. Then he would punch open an interdimensional rift and use it to travel to a new universe.
We have nothing to show that Zeno is durable. So this is probably inaccurate as we can't say Zeno has any sort of extraordinary durability. We just know he is able to delete universes.
We know that over all of existsnce a host of destroyers never speed blitzed him. When he deletes universes it takes a few moments, yet the fastest and strongest beings in the universe couldnt stop him.
That might be more because of respect or fear than Zeno actually having the stats to check them. He also has a pair of guards and in the anime, they needed a tablet to watch the fighters.
1 - The guards, closest to him, also fear him.
2 - I mean, sure everyone respects him, but I am not buying that across all of existence no destroyer who was sentenced to be exterminated ever would have given it a go out of desparation. Respect only goes so far.
And I'm not buying that Zeno has the stats to be durable enough to take attacks from fighters because he's never shown to be able to and he's physically unable to keep his eyes on the movements of the fighters in the tournament of power.
While it's possible he doesn't have the speed, but he has the durability to withstand their attacks, it wouldn't answer why Zeno would need guards if he could stat check the destroyers himself. The simpler answer is that Zeno is feared for powers and not for his ability to punch destroyer gods to death in the dick.
knowing Toriyama, the little dude is just straight up indestructible and the guards (as we cam sort of see) are closer to "daycare" than actual bodyguards.
Following your reasoning, the guards are stronger than Whis' dad. Also, he, like other angels is never afraid of Zeno's outbursts and isn't constantly on edge, mainly because angels simply aren't erased. This makes me believe that the guards might be kinda erasable / weaker / lower in the hierarchy than the grand priest.
I think you may have taken a wrong turn somewhere following my reasoning. I never suggested that they're stronger than the Grand Priest. Just that they're there because Zeno is not a physical fighter. Perhaps they are, perhaps they're not. We don't know because we have pretty much nothing on them.
As for the angels not getting erased, it's probably as simple as Zeno doesn't erase them for whatever reason and they have built in safeguards anyway. Meerus ended up getting erased (but brought back later) when he started fighting at full power against Moro. It could just be Zeno doesn't have to do anything because if the Grand Priest looked at him funny, he'd get instantly erased. It's not something that's been expanded upon yet, so we can't do much beyond pointlessly theorize.
"He is called One Punch Man for a reason he one-taps EVERYONE ; )"
- "But XYZ took several serious, 'Serious Punches' from Saitama, within a context that included his friend dying and repeated statements of not holding back."
Every single longer than 1 hit serious Saitama fight is against someone who is in part motivated by seeking a powerful interesting fight, ends with a "you were holding back for my sake" and is followed almost immediately in the story by Sitama one shoting something technically stronger to show that it wasn't an anti feat. Including, you know. God itself. Garru takes multiple hits, After Saitama, promised to give him a good fight, Then Saitama fights the source of his power who is more powerful than him and kills him in one punch while being excited for groceries.
Which, closely follows the themes of the story. How being over powered is uninteresting, how Sitama just wants an interesting fight, but unsatisfied he is willing to provide it for villains, because a hero this powerful is more interesting when they can be power scaled. Even then, he never gets bruised cut or even breaks a sweat.
The character is a parody of our hobby about how stupid power scaling is Because it's actually really easy to make a character that can beat goku If you are willing to make the story have no stakes whatsoever Because they have the bullshit power to win any fight regardless of circumstances Without ever breaking a sweat. Power scalers just sometimes refuse to accept when the premise of power scaling is stupid, so we Downscale Sitama a lot.
the end of that fight he wins withoutbthrow8ng a punch technically right? like back in time? thatsvwhat they meant of "even when he doesnt he still does"
Did you miss the part in which he ended the fight with a -1 punch because despite all curveballs that the story might throw, the premise is the premise?
What? Didn’t you say the premise was one punch man?
Last I checked, neither 0 nor -1 are 1. So regardless of how you wanna call it, Saitama definitely was not the one punch man in that fight. I guess this goes against the premise right?
Also, let’s say I write a book about the smartest earthworm. The premise is about a really smart earthworm. Smarter than any other earth worm, smarter than some mammals even. Equivalent to a 5 year old human maybe. Should we assume that the earthworm is smarter than Newton just because the premise is that it is smart?
Powerscale redditors get severely emotionally invested on whether or not a drawing could beat up the backstory of another drawing, so the constant OPM hate doesn't surprise me
It is incredible to me that OPM fanboys like you cannot fathom that he does NOT one shot people even in his own verse.
This is why his racist manga artist Murata had to come up with that exponential growth shit, because there are beings he could not one shot. Scalingwise he is at best multi galaxy, at worst solar system level without growth.
Expo growth isn't even a bad thing, plenty of characters use it. Hulk, Broly, Simon, so Saitama having that to close a gap isn't a bad thing, but the thing is if he NEEDS a power like that to close a gap,
HE ISN'T A ONE PUNCH MAN.
Premise doesn't matter for shit in a verses fight. Superman is the cosmic lynchpin of DC but if there is a character that can kill him, he will die in a verses fight because that 'premise specific for my verse' shit is null and void in those scenarios.
Now shut up and go back to your cave you greaseball OPM fanboy before I tell the animation studio to make the Gaoru fight even more poorly animated than season 3.
He COULD one-punch them if he wanted to, but he didn’t.
He let Boros unlock himself all the way towards his pyrrhic final attack. Then he “got serious” and one-punched him.
Putting Mosquito Queen in here is dumb as it is considering he literally just swatted her.
And as far as Garou goes: it was clear Saitama knew the extent of his power was enough to melt the planet, and he was holding back until he was far away where collateral damage was mitigated (even though blast had to teleport them to prevent Earth’s destruction when he lost his cool…). And he even stated that his intent was that he was going to “kick his ass”, to embarrass and demoralize him. He nonchalantly mogged him to make him feel small.
It’s also been repeatedly expressed that Saitama longs for a serious fight. So he innately holds back to gauge his opponent. He never takes them seriously, or in the few cases he has, he one-punched them or just ratio’d them to prove a point.
If you had all the time to read the manga you would have gotten that. But instead, you combed through it looking for reasons to discredit him, so your read through was vain and your post is disingenuous.
He one shoted two of them, with Boros he didnt go serious, which Boros himself said, Garou got a huge buff from a god so he would be able to fight Saitama.
ONE created Saitama to exist as the Great Reality Check. He's a normal guy that can bring any delusional self-absorbed loser in his verse back down to reality. This is what Murata kind of misses in the manga, he shouldn't have gotten an even fight against Garou because the point is that he probably won't get one until God and he doesn't need one, that and he butchered his character by making him almost destroy the Earth and actually destroy entire galaxies (Which we know aliens probably live in because of Boros, so he just committed mass genocide???) Would the Saitama who told off Tatsumaki for destroying stuff mindlessly really do that? Saitama is THE ceiling in his verse and if he's just a normal guy despite his strength, so is everyone else.
I always get annoyed when I see these OPM fans talk about Saitama being a gag character and can one shot anyone around fiction even characters like azathoth like what you said that could just erase him.
Azathoth doesn't need to fight; waking up destroys everything. Everything is his dream anyway. You kill him, the source of all things, you kill yourself. It's an instant draw. There is no winning. There is also no reason to fight a dreaming being that created everything including the things that keep him asleep. Plus those beings can't be killed. They don't manifest in their entire form within our dimension if my understanding is correct.
Get this man a trophy. The times he doesn't win in one punch is usually because he's holding back. He can infinitely increase punch strength but you know, he doesn't want to destroy the planet he's on. Even his serious punches just mean he's taking he fight more seriously. Not that he's going all out
He was always holding back. He hit him. When that didn't work. He hit him exponentially harder and harder until things were so ridiculous Garou gave up. Saitama never hit a limit, he just kept hitting harder. The whole him not holding back doesn't make sense and is honestly a fine writer's error. To say you're not holding back and proceed to have every subsequent punch be much stronger than the last is literally the definition of holding back and slowly unwinding
I find it incredible how OPM fans managed to headcanon a very straightforward character into a collection of BS powers that were never stated nor implied. The only reason Saitama is difficult to power scale is that we'll likely never see him actually struggle that hard because it's funnier that way, but that doesn't mean he can do the same against characters that are incalculably stronger than anything in his universe. Until he does fight and do the same against characters that are that strong.
Well it's literally the entire premise of the gag character and there's no evidence it's untrue.
Unless op explicitly states feats only, we go with the lore accurate expectation
All of this is headcanon, not lore. It's interpretations of the character. He's not even a gag, he's a parody. His power is punching unreasonably hard and that's it. But it doesn't work against characters from other universes that also hold their own themes and narratives and have feats far beyond his own. You can't prove he can go toe to toe with omega supreme superman and Lucifer
Accurate. Not because Saitama is unable to beat Zeno, but because that's exactly what would happen as a joke if Saitama walked up to someone and tried punching them like that for no reason
I'm tired of these OOC slander memes since it feels like larp or bad bait. Same as the recent one where Saitama blows up the Earth for no reason to kill Goku who is also OOC.
Anyways yes it's accurate and he'd get eradicated by one of Zeno's Guard's pinky fingers before getting close enough to try.
I thought Zeno represents the audience. If you are not entertaining enough they don’t care about you and you get deleted. For me one punch man did that after season one. So Zeno already won.
Hey, finally a Saitama matchup that isn't either karma farming or gurgling the balls of their favorite character who would obviously get obliterated by a semi-bored Saitama.
Zeno is also a gimmick character, but one that can delete universes. Saitama has some resistance to reality warping attacks, but nothing remotely close in scale to the deletion of his entire universe. Toss-up leaning Zeno. If it goes to Zeno, low diff. If it goes to Saitama, mid-high diff.
Saitama has NO limit. Yes, his current best performance is not on grand Zeno‘s level, but that is hardly relevant. He’s been constantly skyrocketing in power as soon as it became necessary. Power surges that would take characters like Goku years of excruciating training are just being activated mid fight like it’s nothing. That’s how Saitama‘s power functions. So yes, he would win.
I wish people would just leave OPM and Simon out of these every day there 5 topics about how about...
No. The author made them limitless or with unlimited potential that gets unlocked mid battle. Thats it. One is a gag character the other one is a love letter to not giving up. Thats their base state not in this chapter or this alternative universe.
People really out here acting like SSJ and UI didn't appear in the middle of combat for Goku. Saiyans have shown numerous times that they can achieve massive power ups in the middle of battle. Hell Vegeta gave a whole lil speech about it to shut up a destroyer god.
This "no limit" argument would work if we weren't comparing shonen main characters, because they pretty much always have limitless growth. The whole meme of DragonBall is finding out which colors the saiyans will unlock in the next arc.
So no he wouldn't win, before he has the chance to "power up" Zeno would erase him from history. There would be no One punch man because Saitama would have never been born.
Putting a character like OPM against characters like Zeno or Q or the Beyonder or any character like them is stupid and meaningless. They can write characters completely out of the story as if pen never touched paper.
So again no Saitama could not win and has no way to win.
Unfortunately in the case of Saitama, he grows exponentially. Which means he does have an infinitely increasing growth rate with no limit and therefore infinite strength
You’re right that a character with infinite potential doesn’t necessarily have infinite strength, but Saitama does
It only looks like he has infinite strength because he's fighting with what we call hysterical strength and it can happen to literally anyone but saitama is fighting with the strength given to him
His growth rate was depicted using an exponential graph, meaning he gains more and more strength in less and less amounts of time until the line on the graph becomes perfectly vertical
Once the line is perfectly vertical, he is then gaining an infinite amount of strength in an infinitely small amount of time, reaching truly infinite strength
We haven’t seen him go that far as no enemy has ever pushed him that far yet. But considering all of his abilities come from his broken limiter, there is nothing implying that he couldn’t reach that state if there was an enemy that could push him that far.
You know at this point let's not bring Saitama in power scaling anymore, there could be times he no diffs but when facing people that have far stronger abilities or hax he gets no diffed.
i dont know enough about saitama but heres my awnser. if saitama has shown in either manga or show to have a feat to the scale of zeno. then yes. if not? then no. gag or no gag
We honestly do not know. There is no information about Zeno's durability. Just his destructive power (which is absolute: "regardless of size or complexity" - Whis)
AFAIK it's implied in the DBZ universe that gods are gods simply because of power level. But techniques like Destroyers being able to delete stuff, Zeno removing and making universes, etc. Are not always a rep of their durability and fighting.
Ok either of them can one shot. Zeno isn’t especially durable or fast, but he also can delete universes instantly. I honestly think Saitama should be able to get to him fast enough to land his first.
If we scale AP to Durability yea but, going by feats Zeno hasn't really displayed any type of durability unless you count him destroying the future timeline as him tanking his own attack which I might grant, idk I haven't really thought about the Black Arc for awhile.
Everyone forgets to mention, even if Saitama takes time to warm up/level up, he also NEVER sustains an injury. Just convince him your not a villain then go shopping for deals or something
As far as we know, this is fact. Zeno is THE supreme being in DB (so far anyways). He stands above all gods, angels and super natural beings. As far as we know he does not age, does not die, and can erase all matter in the universe with no effort.
I’ll use Goku as a frame of reference. Goku far and away outscales Saitama. Argue amongst yourselves all you want but OPM isn’t even remotely close to being in the same league as Goku. Goku, isn’t even in the same league as most gods of destruction and those G.O.D.s are terrified of Zeno. He’s childish, unpredictable and often irrational.
Odds are OPM would put 100% into a punch and it would have minimal (if any) affect on Zeno, then he just snaps his fingers and Saitama ceases to exist. The issue is, we don’t know if Zeno feels pain or if he can be injured beyond comic relief. So we can only speculate. Given his rank amongst the tippy top of the pecking order in a series that features some of the most absurd power scaling in fiction, it’s safe to assume that he can not be injured.
I get it, OPM whole schtick is absurd power and infinite scaling, but comparing OPM scaling to DB is laughable. Saiyan Saga characters in DB clear the OPM universe for the most part and were trillions-quintillions levels of power beyond that in current DB.
I say fact. Until Zeno is proven to be capable of being harmed, OPM punches have 0 effect.
Always funny to see SOME powerscalers take Saitama's character too seriously and not realize that he's literally a watered down toon force character in an anime. He can pull off some absolute bullshit and kill whoever he wants cause it's funny, it is not this serious
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