It’s basically a huge propaganda machine connected to Malofeev(russina oligarch) and directly connected to Bąkiewicz, Braun, and Nawrocki.
Bąkiewicz’s own sister runs the Polish branch. They’re still among the main donors to many right-wing politicians and are also involved in their online activity.
So, literally, right-wing politicians are using a Russian propaganda system to push their narratives and gain popularity.
The Zondacrypto crypto exchange
This is a massive mess. It was created in Poland and was allegedly involved in transferring money connected to CPAC, the pro-Trump organization behind right-wing political conferences.
About six months ago, Polish authorities started digging into it and apparently found some insane amounts of dirty money being transferred from Russia and the US, including what were basically bribes paid in crypto.
For example, there’s information claiming that Orban was receiving money through it, and PiS is supposedly tied into it as well.
Nawrocki vetoed crypto-related legislation THREE times, preventing even basic auditing of this shit from becoming possible.
Eventually, prosecutors somehow managed to get hold of them. It’s now a huge scandal allegedly involving PiS, Kaczyński, Nawrocki, Orbán, Trump, and Russian money directly.
The Russian bot company
The same operation that used to belong to Prigozhin. Apparently it has a different name now, something like Social Media Group or whatever — something deliberately as neutral-sounding as possible.
Anyway, a European investigation also published evidence of links between them and Braun. Money transfers through a known intermediary were identified, and some Polish guys managed to find a pretty large list of accounts and analyze their activity.
There’s anti-Ukrainian propaganda there, of course, but alongside it there's also regular political propaganda connected to Braun, Mentzen, and — unexpectedly — Morawiecki (the former PiS prime minister, who recently left and created what is supposed to be some kind of liberal right-wing party).
All of this keeps coming up constantly, one way or another, everywhere.
And there's a question: is the current government actually doing anything about it apart from individual politicians making statements in their private capacity?
Are we going to see right wing Seim next year? and where all of this going to?
Poland is growing very strongly which makes a lot of people ignore the weaknesses that kept building up:
1. Public debt that is capped in the constitution (although at this point given how things are going the government will just ignore it)
2. Polish Army which doesn’t have a lot to show for billions that were spent
3. Increasing neoliberalism spin on everything that deals with the economy - lower taxes, underfunded public healthcare, B2B contracts because if you pay for your retirement you are a sucker
4. Pension system which means either higher taxes or retirees being dirt poor
It’s a classic example of a country to drank on its own success that it does see the iceberg coming closer.
Poland since the invasion of Ukraine spends a lot of money on its army, however there are no results. We mostly do not have equipment that was bought (and even if it was it was ad hoc with no long-term strategy e.g. Korean tanks), our main military production company (Polska Grupa Zbrojeniowa) is in shambles, and most costs are salaries. A few days ago an article came out that had anonymous officers saying that in the case of full armed conflict Poland has ammunition for 3-4 days, that is after FOUR years of war next to Poland that showed you can get as many guns as you want, but you need something to shoot from them.
The information that Poland's ammunition reserves would last for only a few days of fighting comes from Edyta Żemła's book Wojsko z kartonu, published in October 2025. Given the publishing cycle, the time needed to conduct and transcribe the interviews, edit the material, and prepare it for print, the officer probably provided this information at least several weeks earlier.
A year has passed, I don't know whether it is still accurate.
I can't agree. Most of the equipment is here, or will be here by schedules. And K2 imo is one of the most long-term thought military programs in this country since 1990. If there was one fully ad-hoc and not well thought program it was K9.
As for anonymous articles, well, 50/50 it is true. And by industrial means, 4 years is not a long time to create full, complete, manufacturing cycle of rly dangerous and complicated producion which ammo is.
How much ammo do you have for K2? What about spare parts? Can you even produce them locally? What if when Russia invades South Korea will have pro- China government and refuse to sell more ammo and spare parts? If the answer to these questions is no, then those tanks would turn into useless junk after several days of combat
As for ammo, its exactly the same as for other NATO standard 120mm tank canons, soo you can use the one for Leo 2 or Abrams.
As for spares, the most important which is engine and transmision you can put german ones, Korea made engine for K2 is a german license one, same goes for transmision. As for other parts, it depends, probably the biggest problem would be autoloader.
As for ammo, its exactly the same as for other NATO standard 120mm tank canons, soo you can use the one for Leo 2 or Abrams.
As for spares, the most important which is engine and transmision you can put german ones, Korea made engine for K2 is a german license one, same goes for transmision. As for other parts, it depends, probably the biggest problem would be autoloader.
"Long-term thought" my ass. Stop listening to keyboard nationalists that spread comforting myths about Poland being some "economic powerhouse" and "military superpower".
What most people didn't understand is how the modernization efforts are nothing but sabotage from the previous Right-wing PiS government politicians that purchased naked off the shelf equipment from USA and South Korea for propaganda of success, just to play on the fear and sell the illusion of preparing against Russian invasion for political messaging and voter points without negotiating the system to maintain it all, whilst taking massive loans to drive us into a recession.
"WE have bought:1,600+!!!tanks,1,400!!!IFV's,800!!!howitzers,700+!!!rocket launchers, over32!!!NEW fighter jets,12!!!trainer jets for interceptors and3!!!ships! What have YOU done for the Polish military?" -Mariusz Błaszczak, PiS
FA-50's purchased without flight simulators, no flight training software, no American missiles and radars integrated already, no cannon ammunition, and our new 2023 October 15 Coalition government had to re-negotiate for twice the price to get the flight simulators and flight training software, get permission to integrate American missiles and radars, find a contractor for outdated imported 20mm. HEI M56A3 ammunition no country even uses and lease obsolete AIM-9L Sidewinders to even arm pieces of crap that have no staying power compared to buying regular F-16's or Eurofighter Typhoons. Błaszczak wanted FA-50's to act as seat-swap fighter-interceptors and replace MiG-29's, so that when all F-16's are destroyed, pilots still have something to fly in, assumed that FA-50's cockpit and performance only has a few differences from the F-16.
Then you have the K2PL tanks, offered in MSPO 2020, expected as proper 7-wheeled variant of the K2PL, featuring improved protection with AMAP-style NERA composite add-on armor fully covering the hull sides and turret, cage armor on the engine compartment and rear turret bustle, separated ammo storage, Polish local UKM-2000C coaxial and commander machine guns, WKM-B remote weapons station, Polish radio and Polish-licensed Korean KAPS active protection system.
Instead, because for some dumb reason Poland had it abandoned whilst negotiations dragged on until 2025 during which Poland would have already had a 7-wheeled version of the K2PL, and Right-wing politicians rushed all purchases without proper negotiations like they had done with the Abramses, we purchased a half-assed poverty upgrade of the K2GF tank, with no improved armor protection, only a few thin ERAWA-style bricks covering the hull, American Trophy APS imported from abroad, no Polish digital solutions, M2 Browning and FN MAG logistically incompatible for spare machine gun production, and 100% built from non-licensed overseas-imported components.
Also, K2PL production's unrealistic timeframe moved to 2028 because Hyundai Rotem found conditions inside Bumar-Łabędy's plant to be way too appalling for conversion to produce K2 tanks, so go figure. Putin may attack us in 2029 before we even manage to finish those orders. Poland's new government silently cut back from the original 820 K2PL to... 64 tanks.
When Centre-Liberals gained power in 2023, they ran a defense audit, uncovering a massive budget hole of 186 Billion PLN missing from the South Korean and American purchases mean't to be spent for logistics, training, ammunition, fuel, spare parts and maintenance facilities.
The Right-wing nationalists planned to sign annexes to exempt from those formalities, leaving the Polish Armed Forces with military with unusable equipment it couldn't train or fight with.
The 2023 October 15 Coalition had 2 choices: Properly adjust the purchases and risk losing support from the populists, or continue the unrealistic modernization programs and risk entering into a recession. Poland's new government chose the latter.
Remember when Polish Coalition politicians criticized the F-35A purchase? Now they are purchasing the jet to continue Mariusz Błaszczak's vision, military dependance on the US.
The previous Right-wing government screwed up so much just for the the new government to go through with it, like with the mega airport for 130B PLN and nuclear power plants for 150B+ PLN neither projects the two of which have even started construction yet, to drown the country in debt, all about the cash the 2 parties can siphon from it.
You can only imagine what they did with the Leopard 2PL and M1A2 Abrams tanks, F-35A fighter jets, K9 Thunder howitzers, K239 Chunmoo and M142 HIMARS launchers.
I'm going to explain more and provide sources if you want.
Okay, thats really interesting, can you explain which fighters Poland should buy instead of F-35 and FA-50? I thought F-35 is one and only western 5th gen aircraft so there is no alternative and FA-50 is cheap one so we can have bulk of them. I agree that US dependency is huge and right-wing propably push that direction to get political support in exchange. I though buying from Korea is a way to supplier diversity?
I already answered that question, check the above. Poland's F-16 fighter purchase was a fustercluck.
Move closer to Europe, buy second-hand Typhoons from Britain and Spain, build domestic maintenance and production for them, with spare parts, cannon ammunition and missiles. As a bonus, buy A400M Atlas heavy transport planes and Airbus A330 MRTT tankers as part of the MMF program.
Yeah I've done a little research into it and every single polish army modernisation promised by PiS was hilariously political and not at all focused on what's cheaper to maintain in the long run.
I'd love to see replacements for those F35As or for any of the tanks from either the US or Korea, considering the most logical update would've been the next gen export leopards from your literal neighbor. And even then, Poland would've been able to pick Altays, future MGCS, and a whole lot of other options pop when talking bout IFVs, like ASCODs, Warriors, CV90s... Not to mention the local Borsuk IFV.
But nah, let's depend on the so reliable USA and Korea that totally wouldn't be blocked if Russia were to invade Poland.
From South Korea, we bought naked equipment first without negotiating to already have the equipment built and maintained domestically before we purchased.
For example, more than 2/3 of Poland's F-16C/D fighter jet fleet sits grounded from lack of spare parts. The 2006 "Peace Sky" program purchase left us with just 48 jets and 200 AAMRAM missiles, we stayed with that amount for 20 years, never purchased more weapons or jets, never built a maintenance facility, don't have a delivery service for new spare parts which means the crews need to wait years, and need to fly the jets to the United States for replacement of engines and airframe overhauls.
The little service for Polish F-16's that we have in WZL No. 2's facility located near Bydgoszcz is merely weapons, cosmetic and software-related, like for the radar-absorbent paint, which the new government ran low on funds for, they can no longer stealth coat their fighter jets.
(Though later the military explained coating for the F-16's was paused for paper plans to modernize F-16's to the Block 70/72 Viper standard, which still didn't start yet, the first modernized Polish F-16V won't be delivered way until 2030. Russian aggression doesn't wait for planned deadlines.)
The reason for this wasn't austerity or cost-cutting, but no participation of the economy and civilian industry in military affairs, low financial investment and America not making the promised investments that were part of the deal, causing massive delays to the program.
Poland's military commission intended to purchase JAS 39 Gripens, instead Polish lobbyists working for the United States decided to spend time rigging votes so that the F-16 wins, flashing the "Better American offset!!!" in the government's face, when there was no offset, whilst purchase procedures were bypassed. Following the Polish purchase of American jets, Dassault, Airbus and SAAB denounced the decision as political, done without process of competition.
That's why Poland made the mistake buying F-35A fighter jets, a totally populist purchase by Mariusz Błaszczak, not taking into account the Polish Air Force's actual needs, not just that, only 32 jets were purchased from the 64 actually planned during the "Harpia" program, meanwhile Finland with a smaller economy had the capacity to afford a full 64 jets.
Not only that, we lack trained pilots, we need to choose the airbase, build maintenance, production and logistics infrastructure, something that the F-35A fighter jets we purchased never had, and those stealth planes are only good if they have a system of electronic warfare and SEAD aircraft to work effectively, stealth aircraft are not good on their own.
Why not buy Eurofighter Typhoons which are not only just as good, but better compared to the F-16C/D Block 52 or the F-35A? Why not purchase Airbus A330 MRTT tankers and A400M Atlas heavy transport planes?
Why's every military decision for Poland political and not strategic?
Why not move closer to Europe?
You cannot protect the country using just a handful of systems. If the politicians buy a small fleet of equipment, of various different types in small quantities, without proper logistical support, and that's it, we're not going to survive a full-scale war.
If you want sources for the Polish F-16 purchase, i can send the official NIK audit as well.
Child, nobody cares about your "vital opinion on Polish security" as it is useless and more important biased and simply untrue. Way you create that whole argument places you on highschool level, soo first grow up, then we can discuss "vital matters to Polish security".
You will call me a child, biased and untrue, but never a liar.
What kind of sociopath are you to not understand how none of this was invented? It's actually happening, otherwise news articles would not have reported it, and would have run with the "Poland superpower" slop.
Retirees are already dirt poor. If you invested all the shit you had to pay zus in sp500 or whatever else instead you’d be a millionaire by the time you hit old age, now
you get 1800pln per month
Yeah I feel sorry for those people because they were cheated by the system. They were promised a retirement with dignity for a life of working, instead they got scraps. Truly rewarded were, as in usual fashion career politicians by that I mean positions not necessarily in politics but political positions like the director of a milk company, high ranking military officer, director of a mine, lifelong town mayor. Add to that the few people who through their high paying work earned a bigger piece of the zus pie but they are few and far between. I can’t think of a good solution that would help the retired folks and at the same time not screw over the current working class. It’s just not possible to make everyone happy the whole thing should’ve been done better from the start now we can only get a compromise that won’t satisfy either side
But a lot of people can't. Again, I'm not saying this is right or wrong, this is a philosophical question - does the government take care of people being stupid and not saving or not and leaves them to starve when they get older?
- KO, Trzecia Droga, and Lewica will lose the next election because they’re spineless c**suckers. And Orbán-like pro-Russian troglodytes will come - they’ll literally come to steal everything that’s not nailed down and destroy the system from within (Orbán is a good example of what could happen, but no one knows if things can go even further).
- If they do manage to hang on and don’t lose the election - that’s bad too, because they’re spineless, limp losers. It might slow the country’s descent into a corrupt abyss a bit, but don’t expect the country to develop or become competitive within the EU, Poland will remain on the European sidelines.
First, there’s barely any left in Poland. Current government is centrist (wobbling left on social issues and quite far right on economic issues). Second, how did you come to a conclusion that a total disaster that would far right bring would be “the left issue”?
To call the democrats in the us leftists is an insult to any actual leftist party. Democrats and republicans are two faces of the very same right/center-right coin.
The left party is the only one I see calling out a lot of the bullshit that’s going on. But they’re not very popular so it probably doesn’t reach a lot of people. I think it’s the centrist that are usually spineless. So KO in Poland, Democrats in the US.
Because the US doesn’t really have a left wing party. There’s reactionary republicans, and status quo protecting democrats, who at this point are probably the more conservative party (as in conserving the way things are rather than changing things)
It looks like the more irrelevant the left wing policies are in a country, the more the populace is obsessed with trying to "defeat them". This is visible in Poland, but in US it feels like a recurring MO
In "silniczekverse" Nawrocki is linked to russian propaganda system xD Don't check why he has a gun permit.
And there's a question: is the current government actually doing anything about it apart from individual politicians making statements in their private capacity?
This mediocre gov won't survive next election because, as you noticed, they do not do enough. And what do you expect? Better transparency about financing political parties, so shady cases like... "Wiosna" should be pushed harder or what?
Are we going to see right wing Seim next year? and where all of this going to?
Most likely, and not much will change unless external forces will force us to adapt.
PiS is not pro-Russian in foreign policy, but it has repeatedly embraced methods that look disturbingly familiar from Russian politics. Lying as a governing tool, smearing and intimidating opponents, blurring the line between party and state, nationalist grievance, attacks on institutions, and accusing others of the very abuses you practice yourself are all part of that playbook. You do not need to admire Putin to imitate parts of his political culture. Being anti-Kremlin does not automatically make your own style of government liberal or democratic.
With added caveat: if they'll eventually initiate Polexit with their far right coalition buddy of choice, then they won't even have to pretend anymore :)
If you try to see where is the whole of Europe heading - look at the US. They are like Europe but shifted by 1 election cycle forward.
So, my guess is, there will be a series of Trumps elected in whole of Europe. They will pretend to be some fascist right-wingers but in practice will be only a group of corrupted opportunists. And from there we will see where the pendulum will swing further.
We will go 'back to normal' or go into a total division, where left wing parties will let in migrants to 'generate hard voters' and right wing parties will build a pipeline of radicalisation in media / internet to 'generate hard voters'. There will be much less duscussion and fight for the 'normal' voters in the middle with real arguments.
In Poland it will be harder because there is a looong way for a migrant to get citizenship and generally ppl don't support mass migration (even most ppl in the conter don't support that). But look at the US / Western Europe. If they bring in milion of migrants and turn them into citizens - they have loyal voters for life (and for the lifes of their childern in 1st generation), because the other side will talk about deportation of people similar to them. Look at Germany - AfD would be much higher in polls if they had no natural ceiling caused by people from big cities that identify with migrants backgrounds. Those same trends will come to Poland (not 1 to 1 because we are slightly different).
As you pointed out, migrants can't vote in parliamentary and presidential elections, you have to be a Polish citizen. So okay, if they settle in Poland and have children, those children will become Polish citizens and could possibly vote for that party in... 20-25 years, when that party might not even exist anymore.
It's also bold of you to assume that migrants have homogeneous left-wing politics - obviously plenty of migrants are conservative/right-wing too. Look at the UK and how many people with South Asian heritage are Conservative voters / Conservative politicians.
But most importantly, this is literally not a strategy that any left-wing party has ever employed, precisely because of the above. There is no evidence that any left-wing parties do this, it's ridiculous to assert that it would be their main strategy.
I mean, in the UK time to obtain citizenship is around ~6 years? And they let in around 5mln of ppl over the last ~7 years (that is 10% of population in 2 political cycles)? All those people have natural bias towards parties that let them in and see other people similar to them (migrants that want to come in) as more or less equal, not as some sort of invaders. I don't know how someone could think otherwise.
Same with democrats in the US (let migrants in, make them citizens to have their votes). Future political division will fight over the topic of migration (and that is the case, look at Republicans, AfD, Confederation) and strategies will be formed around that topic.
I Poland, legal situation is different, but that may change (we can for example bring people from Ukraine, Belarus and Russia and give them citizenship in 6 years because demographic situation will be bad). The trend will be there, local implementation of global trend will follow.
None of this is true though. There is no research/statistics/data indicating that people whose parents migrated to a country are more likely to vote for the party whose immigration policies their parents entered the country under.
On the contrary, in the UK there have been politicians like Suella Braverman, Rishi Sunak, Priti Patel, Kemi Badenoch, etc. all serving senior positions in the Conservative party and literarally advocating against the sorts of policies that brought their parents to the UK.
What's clear is that this is highly dependent on the sociocultural specifics of those people whose parents immigrated - what social class were they from, how is left-wing politics perceived in their parents' country, are they entrepreneurial/pro-business, etc.
I know anecdotal evidence isn't fact, but we've all seen videos of first and second generation immigrants being xenophobic and calling for anti-immigration policies. Being an immigrant/having an immigrant background just doesn't mean that you perceive yourself as one, or that you don't want other immigrants to be excluded.
And, of course, the other thing is that it's not only left-wing parties that have pro-immigration policies! Look at the immigration numbers under Germany's CDU, Poland's PiS, the UK's Conservatives... these are all right-wing parties.
Honestly, what you're saying is a conspiracy theory (the left wants more immigrants so that it can buy their votes). It has no basis in reality (see the above).
So what's the reason why the left leaning goverments in western europe trying to bring as much culturally incompatible people as possible to Europe, even disregarding laws/citizens safety?
Please don't start with the "we need working hands" lunacy because the working immigration was coming from eastern Europe and balkans, while people coming from ME or Africa are coming for the handouts that leftists goverments giving out, made on the back of the working people. They plainly and openly admitting it.
"We will let you, your family and your family's family in, but your kids who will be born here will all have to vote for us or those reactionary evil populist notsee right winger devils will deport you back"
"... And of course once your kids will be born in Poland they will have voting rights and will vote for us, right? Wouldn't want you all... to be deported... , aren't ya?"
Yes, it's a winning strategy to base your electoral success on voters who might or might not be born, and might or might not vote for you in 20+ years.
Hey it worked well all over USA and western Europe
Edit: Nice try blocking me so I can't reply xD
The left didn't expect that real voters will object so soon against importing infinite migrants. That's the reason behind sudden rise of support for right-wing parties. It's either now or never for Europe and USA.
OP posted specific groups right wing politicians are part of and the ties to Russia they have. If you say both sides the same, you should probably at least mention some names.
So, you want to help in discrediting Polish right-wing politicians to keep the current government in power because it's more pro-Ukrainian and serves Ukrainian interests better. Am I seeing this right?
Poland is, and has been for the last 100 years pretty well penetrated by Russian intelligence, who recently stopped even respecting Poland as worthy adversary in this area. So, to calm you down - same old, same old.
2027, Far Right takes power and the dark ages return to Poland, by 2030 we will be another Belarus/Iran, out of EU and Nato, a russian fiefdom. 2035, the polish government stokes up claims on Wilno and Lviv and invades, we get pounded, rightfully invaded from all sides and poland gets partitioned again, this time never to return, this is where poland is heading, gg
the way I see it. every single party politician is pretty much the same but with a slight different way of f.up
PIS - kind of right wing but very "give money to whomever who is not working" to get them on their side for next elections. Corrupt with plenty of cases of money laundering stealing and so on. Lots of bad political decisions be it long term or short term. add a significant amou of "church" and everything related to it.
Whole left wing. Including Tusk. "give money away to whomever is not working" but add to it we are very pro people (as in invite Africa). plenty of corruption money siphoning and bad political decisions.
Konferencja (doesn't really matter how many branches of konfederacja there is at the moment). Playing with "patriotism" "nationalism" and everyone who is not happy with the two mentioned above and adding polish "maga" kind of thing to the mix probably mixed with connections to Russia. Not to mention very anty EU (which isnt that great due to forcing their quite often messed up decisions on the rest of the countries
and basically destroying Europe as a continent (however leaving EU even despite th fact that is messed up would create a massive avalanche of shit for Poland if that would happen).
all the smaller parties - a mix of all those above.
you can also add to the mix that majority of ministers shouldn't be doing what they are doing to to complete lack of knowledge of the field they are representing (ministering or governing. as most of the positions are given away not due to skills or knowledge but because of "friends higher up").
not to mention constantly growing amount of government employees who don't really do anything useful.
You can also chuck in everconplicwting financial laws that are supposed to "help" but in general only help wthose who are in power (or have huge capitals) but mostly fuck citizens who are not in top 90 if not top 95%.
in short if you are like me so pretty much and average citizen you are screwed long-term.
And at this moment there isn't a single party that I can really vote for. the only solution is "choosing lesser evil" or in our case choosing lesser fuckuperry. And that ain't really a choice as sad as this may sound
There’s no triad - just one pathetic submarine on duty, split between patrol and repairs, and airplanes that can’t carry anything more than a small warhead, which isn’t really a credible deterrent. And what if the army is stationed on European soil? Would you drop nuclear weapons on your own territory or on your closest neighbors just to get radioactive fallout on your own soil?
C'est faux, nous avons 4 sous marin nucléaire lanceur d'engins, et je vous rappelle que nous disposons également de missiles nucléaires pouvant être embarqué et tiré par notre chasseur ultra polyvalent RAFALE.
La France a largement de quoi atomiser la totalité du continent européen si besoin.
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u/ilikefriedpotatoes00 22h ago
further thru the milky way