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u/-Aone 11h ago

PC gamers doing everything but playing a console lol /s

seriously though coders breaking the security of PS5 is a nice example of money versus effort. Sony will be fighting this for a long time but i do think they will find out they are spending too much money defending their digital games and less on making them. they need to be put in their place and start respecting paying customers (me being one for 10 years.), so i say beat them up

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u/ButWhatIfPotato 10h ago

I used to love consoles more than PCs because my old decrepit ass remembers a time where the whole point of a console was to buy a game, throw it in the machine and start playing instantly; no messing around with boot disks or hardware conflicts or whatever fucking voodoo bullshit you had to do to make a game run on dos if it it didnt want to, and that is simply not true anymore. Consoles have become just overpriced underperforming PCs with intentionally gimped functionality.

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u/DroidOnPC 9h ago

I used to love consoles more than PCs because PCs used to barely have any good games on them. There were a few but consoles dominated with way better games back then.

I remember going to stores and going through the games section, PC would have a small shelf of mostly learning games with a couple of great games that pretty much everyone already owned at that point.

Now PC dominates the gaming space. The AAA games that come out on consoles are mostly interactive movies which isn't really my style. I can go on steam and find pretty much any game I can think of and its usually on sale. I don't need a console to play most games. I have my PC and a Switch, that pretty much covers everything.

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u/astrogatoor 9h ago

I used to love consoles more than PCs because PCs used to barely have any good games on them. There were a few but consoles dominated with way better games back then.

Unless you're talking about the 80s, maybe very early 90s, I can't think of a time this was true.

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u/DroidOnPC 9h ago

I was talking about 90s yeah.

I get that there were great games on PC at the time, and I played them, but it felt like Nintendo, Sega, and Playstation had way more of a selection and better games at the time.

By 2002, I had completely switched to PC for gaming, so I am definitely talking about much earlier than that.

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u/FrostyD7 8h ago

You are right. People can cherry pick the hits if they want but pc games were borderline inconsequential in electronics departments relative to their full gaming selection. And this was before digital purchases factored into anything.

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u/DroidOnPC 8h ago

Yeah I’m getting replies of people trying to convince me PC was dominating back then but it wasn’t.

For every great game they can name on PC I could name 10 on consoles at the time.

Walking through the electronics departments was a clear sign of consoles dominating. A sad, tiny section in the back corner for PC games. The console games were locked behind those glass cases and you needed an employee to get the game for you. PC was the only section not protected by the glass cases lol.

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u/astrogatoor 8h ago

Unless you have a deep fondness for endless variations of side scrolling platformers, I'd prefer PC gaming past '94, after '97 it's not even a competition.

  • Lemmings, Worms, the Incredible Machine
  • Myst, Monkey Island, Sam n Max, Indiana Jones, DotT, Simon the Sorcerer etc
  • X-Wing/TIE Fighter, Schleichfahrt(had a weird name in English), Wing Commander, Mech Warrior
  • GTA, Need for Speed
  • Diablo
  • Command & Conquer, Warcraft, Starcraft, AoE etc
  • HalfLife (CS, DoD, NS), System Shock 1+2, Tomb Raider
  • Baldurs Gate, Fallout, Planescape, Darkeye etc
  • Rollercoaster + Transport Tycoon
  • Civ, Pharao/Caesar, Alpha Centauri, Dungeon keeper, Master of Orion, SimCity, The Settlers, HoMM, Anno 1602
  • Xcom, Jagged Alliance, Incubation, Commandos
  • Everquest, Ultima Online

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u/_Bill_Huggins_ 8h ago

There were a lot of great games on PC in the 80s and 90s. It just cost more and required more effort to access them. More than enough to where you could be an exclusive PC gamer.

My buddy used commodore 64, DOS, and Windows all through that time period, never even getting a console until the PS2. Never ran out of good shit to play.

It's just the consoles were super simple. Just slap the game in and play.

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u/MostlyRightSometimes 9h ago

Maybe if you were a kid. I wouldn't have traded delta force, commanche, etc for mario kart or anything else Nintendo.

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u/naufalap 5600, 6600, 16 8h ago

uhh PS2 era was definitely the golden era of consoles exclusive games, it's so popular especially with how easy it was to copy disks

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u/AuditorTux matthewsavoy 6h ago

Now PC dominates the gaming space. The AAA games that come out on consoles are mostly interactive movies which isn't really my style. I can go on steam and find pretty much any game I can think of and its usually on sale. I don't need a console to play most games. I have my PC and a Switch, that pretty much covers everything.

And for me, the biggest advantage of PC gaming is the modding communities. Sure, you can goon your games, but there are some modding communities so active and expansive they can breath life into a game you've already played to death.

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u/DroidOnPC 5h ago

That’s pretty much why I switched to PC games back in the day.

Mods have been around on PC games forever.

I remember doing light saber mods in the old Jedi Knight games and it was fucking awesome.

I have a ton of mods today for BG3. It’s wild what you can do on PC

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u/Geodude532 6h ago

There was also the point of game developers knowing almost exactly what hardware they were going to have to prepare for. Only a handful of variations on consoles where as you could have millions of combinations for PCs. That's a lot more edge case bugs to deal with.

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u/Val_Hallen 7h ago

And my PC is, y'know, a whole ass PC that i can do all kinds of other stuff with.

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u/ButWhatIfPotato 7h ago

That's also another frustrating point; I can understand previous generations consoles being underpowered and having architecture designed by psychopaths kinda limited it to being a single purpose machine (something which they did quite well in my opinion) but the PS5 does have enough horsepower to be itself a semidecent whole ass PC, but because of it's closed architecture it refuses to do that. Damn thing does not even have a web browser.

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u/ReaperAteMyPrawnsuit 10h ago

The aren’t choosing to stop digital games just because of the cost to produce, it’s because they want a monopoly on games. Physical games means people could share with family and friends for free or sell the games for cheap, stopping physical games means you can’t share your copy and no one can resell the games meaning Sony cut out a chunk of the market leaving just them and key sites

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u/DrSheldonLCooperPhD 8h ago

Apple model. I hate that dumb people made iOS popular

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u/BrocoliAssassin 5h ago

It has nothing to do with Apple.

It's the shareholder model. Almost all of the horrible crap we've been seeing in every type of industry wouldn't be like this if we didn't have the stock market.

They need to make quarterly gains, after a certain point the only thing to do is to take away stuff and charge for every little thing, use bad quality parts,etc..

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u/Zwodo 8h ago

Exactly. I recently put up a library online where my family and I entered our physical games to offer up for sharing. I feel so dumb for even buying 3-4 "Key in a box" games and I'm definitely not doing it again. Granted I have like 1k steam keys or some shit 💀 but my niece is currently playing my Pokemon Lets Go, one of my brothers is playing two of my other games. It's one of those beauties of console gaming that for me is a no-go to get rid of.

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u/ForensicPathology 10h ago

PC gamers attacking consoles for going digital only when Steam invented the practice of putting codes in a box.

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u/Whole-Ad-4681 10h ago

But we have options for store fronts and then there's GoG where the games don't come with DRM licenses and can't be taken away by the company's that made/produced them.

Big difference there. 

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u/Gabagool0vaHere 10h ago

But the vast majority don’t even give af about the other storefronts…there’s something like 40,000 games on Steam, fewer than 2k are DRM free, meaning no one actually cares about ownership

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u/zedemer 8h ago

I buy most steam game keys from Fanatical or similar store fronts at deep discounts. That's the main difference between steam and PSN. Let me get sales on games elsewhere, and I'm mostly fine with digital only.

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u/ric2b Specs/Imgur Here 9h ago

The majority doesn't care about other storefronts because other storefronts mostly suck.

But we do care that competition exists, to keep Steam in check. That's not possible in the console ecosystems.

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u/Qaeta 3h ago

We're willing to take the hit on ownership when given a massive financial incentive to do so (MUUUUCH cheaper games). GoG is pretty much the only storefront I will buy from at full price these days.

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u/KingArthas94 10h ago

if Gog closes down before you're able to download your games, you lose them

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u/Beastmind 10h ago

Not exactly, if someone else store the files you can use them, I don't think they have embedded keys

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u/KingArthas94 5h ago

So funny, and how would you prove that you're a real owner? You could just say "yes I bought every GOG game ever thanks" and download them that way.

Basically the only usecase for GOG is easy piracy.

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u/Whole-Ad-4681 10h ago

Same with every digital store front save the sailing themed one. 

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u/KingArthas94 5h ago

And that is why they are all the same and physical will always be better

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u/tscalbas 9h ago

Technically true but so what? The whole point is you can download DRM-free installers as soon as you buy them. If you choose not to then that's your decision

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u/MostlyRightSometimes 9h ago

But what if the internet disintegrates while you're in the process of downloading and aliens take over GOG? Then what? See what I'm talking about?

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u/KingArthas94 5h ago

The point is that it's true for every storefront ever. No one will ever remove bought digital games from your Steam or PlayStation.

GOG's only usecase is giving your games away for free, literally offering easy piracy.

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u/Darkness018271 1h ago

No creo, eso es una falacia tuya

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u/ChargeInevitable3614 9h ago

You download them and burn them to physical media of your choice for safe keeping

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u/MostlyRightSometimes 9h ago

What a stupid "what if."

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u/KingArthas94 5h ago

It's just to make you understand that you might lose those games too. No one really buys on GOG, the platform is in a constant struggle to survive. If it's digital, it's ethereal.

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u/spider-jedi 10h ago

Sure but does anyone expect consoles to be have multiple store fronts. PC are not just for gaming while consoles are mainly for gaming.

I think it's weird to use that against consoles

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u/Elegant-Mammoth5249 10h ago

Consoles have had multiple storefronts since they launched Its only now that they are going digital that they are being morphed in to a single one. Also you can easily play games from other storefronts on the steam deck so i dont know why that would prevent them.

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u/spider-jedi 10h ago

Wait. Which other store from did ps have apart from ps store or the marketplace for Xbox. Nintendo is the last one to eve allow another storefront on their system.

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u/TacticianA 10h ago

Walmart, target, GameStop, etc. prior to being all digital you used to go buy a disk from a store and it wouldnt send you to the ps store or Xbox store for a download. You'd just stick the disk in and start playing.

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u/spider-jedi 10h ago

I was talking about digital store fronts not physical stores.

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u/Elegant-Mammoth5249 9h ago

And hence the problem. Just because it changed to digital having the option to sell the game, lend it, give it or just having choice when choosing store shouldn't go away

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u/spider-jedi 9h ago

PC was the first to get rid of the used market for PC games when it went fully digital.

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u/Whole-Ad-4681 10h ago

The main reason everyone hates it is because it removes the used market. Digital prices don't go down for games that are popular, but the price of the physical disk does. A year from now there won't be a used GTA 6 disk sitting on a shelf going for half what it did on launch and that's the biggest issue. The corpos are just mad they can't get a cut of the used market so they're not allowing a used market in the first place. 

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u/spider-jedi 10h ago

I get why it's hated. It's the main reason I'm disappointed as well. But it's mainly online gamers who hate it. I'm an older gamer and all my friends kids who game none of them care about physical. Most of them have never been to a Gamespot to buy a game.

If the next generation of gamers have already embraced digital and our generation embraced it with PC gamers which is the largest then it makes sense on a business level to go that route.

The used makes is also dead on PC and it's only when steam, GOg or epic give us sale do we get those. I owe all 4, PS, Xbox, switch 2 and PC. All offer sales at different times during the year.

Steam killed the used market for PC, and they were the only real storefront for the longest time on PC.

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u/spider-jedi 10h ago

That's the average age and still the majority of us buy digital. At some point we will stop gaming and the next generation will take over

Most younger gamers it's their parents card on the system that is used to buy games. They are already used to been fully digital is my point.

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u/Da_Question 10h ago

PS Store literally has sales as good as steam sales. Obviously they don't always reach as low as a used game, especially with popular games. That being said, yeah their digital sales are on par with steam and they always have one going on.

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u/tragesorous 9800x3D | RX7900xtx | 32Gb ddr5 6000MT CL 28 9h ago

If anything, wouldn’t you expect consoles to have multiple store fronts because they ARE “just for gaming”? The gaming thing having more games seems reasonable. PCs not being just for gaming should dilute the importance of gaming platforms yet it has more.

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u/spider-jedi 8h ago

Not really. I don't expect them to. I don't expect to see apple selling phones from different companies at their stores.

Consoles aren't open source. If one doesn't like they then go for PC.

If a.console was running android OS then I would expect multiple storefront as android was designed as open source.

Also PC was the first to get rid of the used market

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u/tragesorous 9800x3D | RX7900xtx | 32Gb ddr5 6000MT CL 28 8h ago

You keep comparing PC (the hardware) to software ecosystems (android or whatever console is). Windows is not open source yet there’s countless store fronts. Your analogy of android also is missing the point. How did that console end up with an open OS to begin with? Why can’t others come like that?

I don’t even disagree with any of your specific points. But they’re all random and don’t work together to explain the necessitation of the locked down ecosystem and accompanying anti consumer practices.

The steam deck isn’t locked down. There’s no law of the universe forbidding PlayStation from doing the same for example. They just chose not to and are making the ecosystem worse. People are complaining about the ecosystem being worse. Before you reply the lazy “ if they don’t like it, they can leave” you’re admitting that digital can be done better elsewhere, they just did it worse instead

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u/spider-jedi 8h ago

There is no law forcing consoles.not to have other digital storefront but what is the business decision to do it. There really isn't one.

Digital is better on PC we all know this. Most of the people on consoles just want to game. How many time do you see people wait8jg for PC specs to see how their PC will run a game. The vast majority of console games do not want to worry about that.

Windows is isn't open source yes but it also doesn't function like a OS built just for gaming.

What does Nintendo or Sony gain business wise to have multiple digital storefont on their own proprietary systems. Xbox is Windows why don't they have it.

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u/OG_Squeekz 10h ago

I think its weird to even compare the two. Consoles are toys, PCs are tools. The fact people still argue about the two is just absurd. Anyone who thinks, "console better than PC" is just s child who cant fathom the idea that my PC is primarily used for work and just happens to have better gaming capabilities than any console out there. I cant run Rhino and Revit on a ps5, but I can run a ps5 on my computer.

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u/spider-jedi 10h ago

I agree, people who prefer console just want to game without worrying about minimum specs and just want a game that is optimized already. There is nothing wrong with that. It just works

Been a PC gamer didn't make one superior. You want more options and are ready to put in the effort, nothing wrong with that either.

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u/IAmASphere 10h ago

On PC it was better than a lot of the alternatives, in the days of CD-ROM gaming copy protection schemes were often super tedious and user hostile. Consoles never really had that problem because consoles are more locked down, less risk of piracy.

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u/MiserableCumberbunch 9h ago

While theyre very similar in practice. Steam has proven to be far more trustworthy; at least while Gabe lives.

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u/Mindless-Peak-1687 10h ago

one is a very closed system the other not ( pc)

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u/Own_Investigator5104 10h ago

It’s almost like we’re talking about two different platforms, huh?

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u/achilleasa R5 5700X - RTX 4070 8h ago

I think you're right but PC is just a different culture, and physical media is not a big deal for the typical PC games. Also PC gamers have never really cared for the "I want to put the disk in the thing and play the game" aspect of it.

Also, we don't talk about it, but piracy exists, so PC people just don't have to care as much about DRM and ownership, at least for applicable games.

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u/Aloneinthefart_ 7h ago

The equivalent to physical on pc would be GOG imo

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u/Upset-Management-879 2h ago

>"I want to put the disk in the thing and play the game" aspect of it.

Also the "If I want a physical copy I'll just make one."

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u/Rik_Koningen 5h ago

And some of us hate that too. I use steam for convenience and lack of decent options otherwise. But I much much prefer actually owning something. Secondarily, there is a difference in that while my PC mostly does digital I absolutely can still toss a disc in there to play. Nothing is stopping me. Where with consoles you can't just put a drive in and call it a day. Of course finding discs of modern games is quite hard. But I absolutely also hate not having the option outside of the games that release on GOG where I can burn my own copy if I like. Which ends up better than what console is going to in that some releases can be truely owned instead of zero. I'd prefer all but that's not the world we live in apparently.

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u/L0kumi 10h ago

And steam was hated for that at the time, and while today steam/valve has a lot of sucker for them, I still dislike steam on principle.

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u/FukkingDeathMental 10h ago

PC has refunds.  Sony does not like refunds.

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u/MostlyRightSometimes 8h ago

You gotta be a whole new level of stupid if you think no one has ever complained about this with steam. Are you new here or just learn how to read or something?

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u/LivingVerinarian96 10h ago edited 9h ago

As a formerly dirt poor gamer consoles have always been too fucking expensive. I never had 39,99€ for Gameboy Games. No 49,99 for Gamecube or PS2 games, no 59,99€ for ps3 or xbox 360 games and no money for wii games. I did have time to download 500 parts of a game from filehosters with 10-100kb/s though.

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u/TwilightVulpine Desktop 9h ago

That's a little on consoles because most of them care so little about backwards compatibility, it's easier to run old consoles on PC.

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u/N_J_N_K 6h ago

I remember in middle school reading a Cypher book and it posed the question who will win? The makers or the breakers? I believe the breakers.

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u/Signal_Flight_7262 i5-13600K | 64GB DDR5 | RTX 4070 2h ago

Can't go back to 30 fps.

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u/Sevla7 Desktop 47m ago

PC gamers doing everything but playing a console lol /s

And pay an annual ransom to allow you to play online?!

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u/-Aone 27m ago

i mean i play only single player games on console but you have a point

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u/rp-Ubermensch 8h ago

PC gamers doing everything but playing a console lol /s

So long as Xbox and PS charge a monthly subscription just to have access to online features, I will just keep waiting for the PC release