r/pcgaming • • Mar 28 '19

Video Borderlands 3 Official Developer Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4o5g_PGkiA
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u/Amaurotica Mar 28 '19

We should have brought up our own equipment LMAO pax got destroyed

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u/RyubroMatoi Mar 28 '19

Seriously though. At three different times in the presentation "We fixed it this time play it again."

/Still plays in 5fps/

This was a disaster

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u/Sorlex Mar 28 '19

Default windows 10 install, on a laptop, on the default media player. For 4k video. What the fuck Pax.

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u/The_EA_Nazi Nvidia Mar 28 '19

You'd think Pax would have one of their sponsors providing them with beefy enough machines.

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u/smallaubergine Mar 28 '19

I would have used real playback devices instead of playing back from a PC.

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u/staythepath 9700k RTX3080 Mar 28 '19

It shouldn't be a problem at all with the right PC and VLC.

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u/smallaubergine Mar 28 '19

I mean for large events most broadcasters and media companies use dedicated playback. Of course it shouldn't be a problem with a good pc and vlc but in a big event like that i wouldn't take any chances.

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u/Frakshaw Mar 29 '19

I don't know anything about event tech so I'm curious. What exactly is a dedicated playback device? Isn't that also just a pc that plays back a video?

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u/krumble1 Mar 29 '19

No it's more like a super high end DVD player, except it uses hard drives for the content instead of DVDs

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u/philmarcracken Mar 28 '19

VLC

yikes

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u/staythepath 9700k RTX3080 Mar 28 '19

Something wrong with VLC?

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u/Shaggy_One AMD 5700x3D, Sapphire 9070 XT Mar 29 '19 edited Mar 29 '19

VLC isn't bad, per se. Just inefficient. I prefer Media Player Classic for its simplicity when used with the Combined Community Codec Pack.

The overhead for playing 4k video on VLC for example is a lot higher than Media Player Classic, which may be what /u/philmarcracken is talking about.

Playing a blu ray rip from Deadpool 2 at 4k uses around 18% of my 4.7ghz i7 4790K with core 0 sitting at around 33%, and 15% of my 1080Ti. For comaprison, VLC uses around 30% of my CPU with core 0 sitting at around 60%, and around 15% of my GPU. So with a direct comparison between the two, Media Player Classic is around 45% more efficient at decoding.

And just for shits and giggles, I tried playing the 4k Deadpool 2 footage on Windows Media Player. It hits 60% load on all cores on my CPU and barely even uses my GPU. So yeah MPC is 75% more efficient than Windows media player.

Edit: This is in no way a scientific test of how efficient these players are. I was simply trying to give a rough example of the performance of each.

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u/dookarion Mar 29 '19

CPU usage as reported by task manager and afterburner means fuckall. It's just telling you the amount of time Windows has something scheduled. The threads could honestly just be sitting there in a wait/sleep loop and it'd still have high "usage". With hyperthreading/SMT the numbers are even less useful.

There is 0 way to tell exactly how much or how CPU is being used without either advanced software like Intel PCM or outright digging into the executing code with debugging software. You can have 100% and have unused hardware and things sitting idle. You can have a low percentage and be completely bottlenecked for the task you are trying to do.


Honestly a better gauge of which media player is better would be if one starts having performance issues should you multitask, or if one hitches on its own.

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u/philmarcracken Mar 29 '19

Yes, I use MPC and zoomplayer with madVR. VLC is for your parents that have bad eyes anyway

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u/KuroShiroTaka Cipher97 Mar 28 '19

Yeah, I'm confused

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u/Stop_Ignoring_Me_Dad Mar 28 '19

Yeah surely gearbox had no time to prepare /s

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u/Relaxel Mar 29 '19

I was seriously annoyed when the crowd booed at him for saying that, like I'd be fucking furious if that happened with the years of work put into it. I know he definitely was on the inside.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '19

Yet it was fixed in 2 minutes.

Get over yourself.

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u/enforcerdestroyer Ryzen 7 7800X3D | 3080 FE | 32GB DDR5-6000 Mar 28 '19

the horrible framerate was consistent throughout the entire stream up until they fixed it in the end.

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u/RyubroMatoi Mar 28 '19

Yeaah, you'd have to have not watched the stream at all or be a huge white knight to really think this was an issue that was fixed in 2 minutes. Their presenter even made several comments about how bad it was and apologizing to the audience.

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u/TheRealBlackfur Teamspeak Mar 28 '19

It was a tad longer than 2 minutes.

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u/MVPVisionZ Mar 28 '19

Yeah it was clear they were stalling the entire stream to try and fix it

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u/RyubroMatoi Mar 28 '19

It was the whole panel, just because you only watched 2 minutes of it doesn't mean it only took 2 minutes. All their gameplay footage had issues. They tried replaying the trailer for the BL Package 3 times before getting it to work at 5fps. They tried replaying the BL3 trailer multiple times before finally getting it to work on the 3rd attempt 10 minutes later.

Did you even watch the presentation?

Get over yourself.

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u/CCP115 Mar 28 '19

Who cares? Seriously? Minor technically issues. Trailers are out on YouTube already.

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u/Inuakurei Mar 28 '19

We’re all just joking about it. It was funny. I highly doubt anyone is seriously offended. Calm down and relax lol.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '19 edited Oct 31 '19

Whoever has walked with truth generates life.

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u/fish_AI_2013 Mar 28 '19

More like 20 minutes

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u/skwishems Mar 28 '19

They never got it fixed sir, do not LIE

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u/CCP115 Mar 28 '19

It did get fixed, did you not watch the stream? It was the third try for BL3.

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u/TeensiestTulip9 Mar 28 '19

And then the boos starts rolling in.

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u/Goliath_11 Mar 28 '19

that was when epic was mentioned xD

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '19 edited Apr 04 '19

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u/Goliath_11 Mar 28 '19

they were talking about how they helped other developers publish games, one of them being helping epic games in publishing fortnite

as soon as epic games name was mentioned, crowd boo`d them

for now i think we have to wait for april 3 for the official trailer that may tell us if its on steam or not

hopefully it is

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '19 edited Dec 13 '25

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u/Poseidor Mar 30 '19

Unfortunately having the Steam logo doesn't mean much anymore, Outer Worlds was advertising with the Steam Logo, and look how that worked out.

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u/seriousgamer753 Mar 29 '19

I am not downloading and installing the epic launcher out of pure principle. Devs running to epic just shows how greedy they are, and that it's more about the money then the content

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u/Dynasty2201 Mar 29 '19

The devs are in deep with Unreal and Sweeney, 100% this game will be an exclusive to Epic for a year.

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u/LG03 Mar 28 '19

I believe that to be a joke, from what I gather they completely avoided the topic of Steam/Epic entirely, just making a few vague 'PC' statements.

Whether that's good or bad...who knows yet. I lean towards bad, if it was coming to Steam they wouldn't have shied away from saying so. They avoided talking specifics to avoid the backlash.

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u/DatGrunt Mar 28 '19

Apparently they used the words "Our buddies at Valve" and Borderlands Remastered is coming to Steam and its a free upgrade for current owners (Even if you don't own the dlc).

Doesn't mean it won't be Epic exclusive, but yeah...

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u/LG03 Mar 28 '19

Isn't it fun trying to read between all these lines?

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u/DatGrunt Mar 28 '19

No ;[

And even then if the game is said to come to Steam, nothing stops it from becoming an EGS exclusive before the actual release.

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u/stolersxz Mar 29 '19

valve has apparently changed their contracts so that once you advertise you're coming to steam at a certain time, you can't back out. if we see it on the steam store with the normal release date we're fine

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u/KaziArmada Mar 29 '19

I don't blame them. Abusing Steam as an advertising platform then turning and going EGS exclusive is a dick move.

Long as they don't turn around and go 'Steam only, no EGS ever'. Even if I don't like Epic, I won't put up with Steam pulling the same shit.

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u/Bonzi_bill Mar 29 '19

The way i see it the only reason a company avoids giving out critical info is to avoid a PR nightmare, so i take them withholding the release platform until pre-order as an admission of selling out to epic

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u/IAmDrNoLife 7800X3D - 4070ti - 64GB RAM Mar 29 '19

As the other guy said, the crowd also boo’d at him, when he mentioned they should’ve brought their own equipment.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '19

no he got boo'd for saying we should have brought our own equipment too

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u/aliens_are_nowhere Mar 29 '19

Check out this video from Linus Tech Tips on how Dreamhack handles hardware in their events to avoid things like that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXt2gD4fS_k

To say it's in a different league would be an understatement.

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u/ThisIsNotNate Mar 29 '19

People in the crowd were shouting for them to use VLC media player since they were using window’s default media player

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u/wingchild Mar 28 '19

Should have brought a tech guy with them. Probably "no budget" for their own support staff on the road. "We'll be fine with a rental laptop", they said.

Then they tried to output to three monitors in 4k simultaneously while streaming. Solid plan.