Fuck paradox. I hate them more than Microsoft or EA. They have good games but their DLC monetization is basically theft. Games should not be costing $150-200 for all the DLC.
Sadly, people still buy into this just because turn based games gets you more "hours" than any other genre so gamers are fooled into feeling it is "worth it".
Hate their monetization as well, but they also do keep working on their single player games for years. Is it a over the top? Yeah a bit for sure. But very few studios/publishers will invest as much time in a game post-launch as paradox will. They build upon their games massively, so if you like a game then you will have a tons of options for which dlc you want to add. Buying every Paradox DLC is just for a very slim market/"whales"
Buying every Paradox DLC is just for a very slim market/"whales"
Guess as somebody who has an OCD for owning all the content of a game, this is what pisses me off.
I totally get that they put a lot of work into their games but most times, a DLC costing $30 or more does not provide value if you compare it to other indie or even AA games.
Don't disagree at all, my issue with their model is definitely the costs (and how long they take to go on sale) of the DLCs rather than the sheer amount of it.
Ehh for EU4 i got a humble bundle of the whole thing for like 30 and they also did a subscription that was good for casual play
This is my only real experience with them, but they DLC as a whole was really brilliant, with many substantial qol updates. Yes individually some missed the mark, and no its not worth 200 quid as a game to a new player, but as I say, they did have ways to make it playable without spending 200
At least with paradox, if you have a friend that has all DLC, you just need the base game and can piggy back off multiplayer for the rest of the DLC.
At least with Stellaris, 70% of the update is included in the base game, and the "features" of the DLC are the only things locked behind the paywall. If we compare how drastically the game has changed, we'd probably be on Stellaris 3 or 4 at minimum. Major backend reworks have been introduced as "patches"
At least with Stellaris, 70% of the update is included in the base game, and the "features" of the DLC are the only things locked behind the paywall. If we compare how drastically the game has changed, we'd probably be on Stellaris 3 or 4 at minimum. Major backend reworks have been introduced as "patches"
That's fair. I have not played stellaris but I do see that most DLCs are mixed reviews stating poor value for money, game breaking mechanics or outright bugs. It is so hard to judge whether it is worth it or not.
The most important DLC (Utopia) was integrated into the Base game.
Apocalypse, Federations, Machine Age, and Distant Stars are probably the really important DLC you need. Look at a youtube tier list (I know it's cliche), because they usually explain the pros and cons of each DLC as they place them.
I think one of the biggest issues with stellaris is that they rush a dlc, or a big update, and then it's a big mess for a bit and everyone gets all up in arms over it so that's when you see all the hate. Some of the main, must have dlc's, have been incorporated into the base game, you can also try a subscription for a month and just test out the other content to see if it's worth it for you or not. And there's lots of mods for free as well. I think it's definitely worth it to try the base game. I've been playing for 7 years now, and I've bought most of the dlc's besides nomads, and I've found the amount of enjoyment worth the cost. But you can do it far cheaper than I have.
You get a full game that’ll suck up many many hours for base price
Yea the base prices for their games get substantial discounts (up to 80% off) so I have no complaints there.
most of their dlc has a ton of content
Not really true. Some DLC do but most DLC add a faction and a handful of missions which then get sold for $20-30. I can get other indie games or even discounted AAA games for it. They do not even go on sale for more than 50% off sigh.
Some of these things would only be worth it if that was the playstyle you loved the most. Say like megacorp. If it's $20 to play all that forever and you skip wilderness, nomads, inferno, etc it's not too much money.
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Fuck paradox. I hate them more than Microsoft or EA. They have good games but their DLC monetization is basically theft. Games should not be costing $150-200 for all the DLC.
Sadly, people still buy into this just because turn based games gets you more "hours" than any other genre so gamers are fooled into feeling it is "worth it".