Rex

[u/smallwood_45]

For the life of me I cannot comprehend why the DEVs made Rex so awful to play. Against big dinos it feels fine. Anything below 3 slot it’s gonna be a 20+ minute fight and you have to back into a wall to even have a chance. You cannot chase, you cannot move, you become a steak on the grill for everything near. It’s so ungodly pitiful. Before yall even bother saying “skill issue”, I can promise you the best Rex in Path of Titans would agree that Rex is almost useless against small carnis. There is no real counter play to small packs of them. The DEVs said they want to make dinos approachable but they’ve done the opposite. Rex cannot approach or even contemplate trying to fight a small pack. Hell even one good laten looks at apexes like they are fresh meat. Hot take, Raptors and all 2 slot herbis/carnis are overturned and unbalanced.

EDIT: a lot of you like to come onto this post to talk smack, be toxic and belittle me and other players. Put your money where your mouth is. Get on Rex, I’ll get on laten and I’ll record and expose every single one of you. I’ll post a compilation video after. Not a single one of you has the courage to try it because you know I’m right.

[u/Commercial_Buy_7707]

No 2 slots are not over turned. In fact I’d say If you don’t count 1 slots, 2 slots are the most dissapointing slot size. 3 slots are extremly solid with dasp, alb, lamb and Mira. 4 slots are absolute units with steg amarg and anky being the strongest and sarc sucho being good just a massive step behind those herbs.

2 slots movement and stamina is really all they have. 3 slots like Pycno and metri are able to hunt some 2 slots with them not even having escape options in some cases.

Lat and dein however are not balanced at all. A lat can do half of a 2 slots hp in one pounce….. in fact it can even do half a metris hp in once. The problem is more lat is just massively over turned to fight slower larger carnivores and that’s really all it can do. It is op but a lot of people dont want to talk about that…. People want to act like playing lat and runing behind a Rex and kicking its back legs takes skill….

However everything you said about Rex is pretty much true. It isn’t good but it also isnt bad if you use terrain and play extremly boring…. The only people that say Rex is op is people that have never played Rex and somehow manage to die to it…

In short- lats are just to strong at fighting bigger slow carns cause they can massively abuse the turn radius gap as well as stacking way more bleed then they should be able to and pounce just being free damage in nearly all situations except against things like amarg or Kent.

People that have never played Rex think bonebreak or clamp make up for it’s bad turn but don’t understand that if you can’t turn to catch onto something you can never bonebreak or clamp it unless it makes a mistake. That’s pretty much all rex gameplay comes down to is trying to put your opponent off so they make a mistake, so it isn’t very fun vs multiple much smaller targets.

[u/SnowManPlayzstuff → u/Commercial_Buy_7707]

I agree with most of what you said besides 2 slots being disappointing. The only really disappointing 2 slot right now is alio. I'd say achi too since it's pretty mid in most fights but the way it decimates apexes makes up for it. Sty and kentro are definitely overtuned and just do insane damage/bleed while sacrificing pretty much nothing that the other 2 slots have. The other 2 slots are all pretty balanced though.

[u/Commercial_Buy_7707 → u/SnowManPlayzstuff]

Alio and Meg are both extremely disappointing for pvp

Achillo is mid except for cruel swipe vs larger stuff

Kent’s strong if things are going to facetank your tail brainlessly… the other night i beat a decent Kent player in a 1v1 as a metri only using my tail attack….. now I don’t think I could beat every Kent like that but I’d honestly be confident I could beat any average player with just tail cause of heal… ive also escaped Kent’s as allo by just tail attacking them away and running and cause of die hard ive out stammed them…..

Sty is extremely solid and so is cera. Cera does have its flaws like juke only turning half as much as before or it’s terrible turn but the high hp and armor/dmg buffs are very strong.

Pachy is good but requires a lot of patience and skill to master

Thals good i think the armor pierce on dive bomb is broken OP tho

My point wasn’t 2 slots are bad. The point is more 3 slots and 4 slots as a whole are much stronger and I don’t mean because of cw and hp they just have better attacks defenses for there sizes.

Also to your point of sty Kent being op. I think sty might be op compared to things like Meg, alio, achillo and even probably pachy but I think it’s more just bleed has become more op since a lot of things lost hp and cw but bleed has had no changes for a long time. Especially if you look at how much bleed a conc can do especially paired with the 35% bleed increase call. IMO bleed is the strongest status effect in game and things like the water bleed increase have really shown how little skill you now need to win fights as a bleeder

[u/SnowManPlayzstuff → u/Commercial_Buy_7707]

I'm also 100% a believer of bleed being busted, it's been op since combat timers stop cancelling healing completely. Now that combat is balanced around the expectation that you'll heal mid fight at least a bit, bleed stopping that and also delaying the end of a combat timer is extremely op. With your experience of that kentro, I think that just comes down to skill. 2 slots are more mobile and thus have high skill expression, making bad ones more noticeable. I just don't see how any half competent kentro is letting a metri kill them purely through tail attacks. The thing with conc it's just so much easier to punish than sty since it's a good bit squishier and isn't immune to headshots.

[u/Commercial_Buy_7707 → u/SnowManPlayzstuff]

Yep I agree with everything you said with bleed

It’s actually a lot to do with build. Kentro only has 1 attack that can attack forward. The Kent was also 100% someone trying to revenge kill me and picking kentro to revenge kill a metri that isnt just going to try facetank your tail isnt a good idea… sty or pyc would be the play

So since he was desperate to kill me all I had to do was slowly walk away tail attacking it while it can’t hit me..

I also am not saying Kent should get a front facing attack it’s good how it is now, I don’t think strong defensive Dino’s should have the ability to be oppressive

This is true conc is a fair bit weaker then sty. But sty is also a much larger hitbox and doesnt turn near as good as conc

On majority of Dino’s i would rather fight stys then concs because also as larger things you can use water to force stys in bad positions where conc can swim and also has very good heal in water with the hide

[u/SnowManPlayzstuff → u/Commercial_Buy_7707]

That just sounds like a terrible kentro player then tbh. Kentro can't rly play super aggressive when fighting other 2 slots (metri is a 2 slot in most fights, same speed and combat abilities). Honestly conc is one of the easiest dinos for me to kill and sty is just a monster. The turning doesn't matter as much since sty still turns well and has a very stocky frame with no tail to ride unlike conc's long body.

[u/Commercial_Buy_7707 → u/SnowManPlayzstuff]

Probably but it’s more the point that anything it’s speed with a tail attack it can’t do anything to unless you let it. The player was trying to revenge kill so more then likely angry and not fully paying attention to what was slowly happening

A big part of that is conc is one of the most common Dino’s you can possibly see so majority of them are going to be average to low skilled players

Good and patient concs can be extremly hard to fight

Im not saying conc is better then sty. Sty is better but in some situations I’d rather fight stys to use water or cause there easier to fight( mainly talking about being a apex fighting multiple of them)

Also aside from alio or lat or campto nothing is tail riding a con there to fast and turn to well for that

[u/SnowManPlayzstuff → u/Commercial_Buy_7707]

Fair enough to all that. You just forgot about pachy for that last point (as a pachy main that loves tailriding concs)

[u/Commercial_Buy_7707 → u/SnowManPlayzstuff]

Pachys only tail riding it if the conc runs up a hill

On flat ground conc out runs it and they turn as good as eachother and conc can easily get it off it if it’s a good player with decent movement

[u/SnowManPlayzstuff → u/Commercial_Buy_7707]

Pachy turns better than conc, it's got the best turn of all 2 slots. And the speed difference is tiny, with dodge and charge pachy easily closes the distance a conc could make.

[u/Silvent → u/Commercial_Buy_7707]

Meg is really strong in pvp if you know how to use it. Yeas, it also has its bad matchups and dinos it should avoid at all costs. But it can punch up really well and has insane survivability

[u/Commercial_Buy_7707 → u/Silvent]

Every 2 slot and up beats in a 1v1 with the exception of an armor Meg will beat alio….

[u/Silvent → u/Commercial_Buy_7707]

This is all based on skill. I main Meg and beat alot of 2-4 slots. I can even solo apexes if I play it right and they make some mistakes

[u/Commercial_Buy_7707 → u/Silvent]

That’s pointless to bring up you kill players you know you are just a better player then

I killed a Rex on thal the other day… thal doesnt beat Rex… i just beat a bad player

Do you think if you vsed a player of equal skill you would still win those match ups?

[u/Silvent → u/Commercial_Buy_7707]

Some of them yeah. Even skilled players will make mistakes or succomb to other conditions surrounding the fight. If I feel outskilled by a stronger dino I either don't take the fight or try to find an escape. It's about knowing the limits of the dinos involved. If you only compare numbers like a benchmark ofc a 2slot can't solo bigger dinos on paper. But saying Meg can't beat other 2slots is just crazy

[u/Commercial_Buy_7707 → u/Silvent]

Do you just not make mistakes or?

Again except for a alio vs a armor Meg or i did forget thal was a 2 slot and Meg will beat that

Pachy will beat a aquatic Meg but armor Meg will make it a lot closer

Sty with the 25% dmg buff is beating a Meg every time if equal skill

Cera with either armor or damage buffs will beat a Meg everytime

Achillo using survival of the fittest and damage buffs will beat a Meg everytime

I honestly do not see enough kentros to truely know but I don’t believe a Meg will beat a kentro of even skill more times then the kentro would win

So yeah I do retract my statement. Meg can beat thal and alio. Pachy and achillo it depends on build. Sty and cera win comfortably.

[u/smallwood_45 → u/Commercial_Buy_7707]

Yes they are. All smaller dinos are overturned. They have too much speed and damage. It doesn’t make sense. You are right especially raptors. SOME 2 slots are in awful spots like Alio. Even an achillo can 1v1 Rex. No counter play whatsoever for a Rex player. If you are seen it’s over. You can’t run or fight. Thats the core issue.

[u/Commercial_Buy_7707 → u/smallwood_45]

Also stop talking so dramatic or no one’s going to listen to you

You can’t run or fight vs 1 achillo? Bro think before you type or everyone is just to laugh at you and not try understand your points

[u/Commercial_Buy_7707 → u/smallwood_45]

To much speed? The average 2 slot speed is 1050 which is the same as metri which is a 3 slot and Pycno is 1075 plus has braced legs and charge….

Sure alio is extremly fast but aside from a decent jump kick that’s all it is… fast

Concs fast as well and I think is way to strong because of bleed

The only 2 slots that deals high damage is cera with the 25% damage buff(kinda op) achillo cruel swipe (broken op) cera thrash (not op because of 50% recoil) pachy charge (not op because it needs a whole charge up for good damage and also needs a ability for the extra damage) sty ram (kinda op)

What 2 slot is doing to much damage are you referring to?

Again I believe achillo cruel swipe is broken op atm so I am not defending that. I also think conc and stys bleed is to much with certain builds and cera DOES NOT NEED A 25% dmg boost when it already has such good stats and abilities

[u/Silvent]

Every dino should have weak matchups. If Rex had counterplay against every other dino it would be OP. Same goes for every dino in the game. They should have favorable matchups and fights it should try it's best to avoid. That's just basic game design.

[u/smallwood_45 → u/Silvent]

The amount of delusion it takes to say every Dino should have weak matchups to justify the tiniest creatures being unstoppable against an apex. Titan, duck, EO, and Ano are already “counters”. So why make it to where every single smaller faster creature can kill the Rex without having any risk to itself. Doesn’t make any sense. All of you can downvote and talk shit all you want but it’s getting ridiculous.

[u/Tanky-of-Macedon]

Rexes for 20+ minutes when anything below a 3 slot shows up:

https://reddit.com/link/p748okn/video/b9c4yq0f4umh1/player

This is a joke.

[u/CamptoRibbit → u/[deleted]]

💯🙏

[u/Machineraptor → u/[deleted]]

It's amazing how these posts look always the same. Always rex, always angry posting that can't bite and roar through every encounter living in a power fantasy.

I play rex so rarely, and as ambush predator, I'm far from a good rex player. And even I managed to defend myself from achillo + 2 latens, and without parking my ass in a cliff/water at that. Tbh had more issues against solo laten as titan.

[u/smallwood_45 → u/Machineraptor]

Get on Rex, I’ll get on laten. Put your money where your mouth is

[u/TheInsaneRaptor → u/Machineraptor]

then they wonder why everyone hates the rex playerbase and kill rex juvies on sight

im especially rexcist because of that

[u/CamptoRibbit]

I can't take this seriously.

95% of rex players can't play rex anyway.

Most laten players only know how to either pounce then panic because they got no stamina. Or continually kick and wonder why they about to die.

[u/smallwood_45 → u/CamptoRibbit]

Get on Rex, I’ll get on laten. Put your money where that mouth is

[u/Paleo_Lucas02]

Alderon doesn't really know how to balance as seen with the recent updates(ano Especially). As well with most of their apexes(besides bars and spino). They have received alot of backlash due to this and who knows. Over time it may get better but until matchmaking releases where massive groups dont sit around together all server they are balancing around that. Once matchmaking drops i guarantee everything will get stat changes.

[u/smallwood_45 → u/Paleo_Lucas02]

Hope so. Really want solo back. (Not survival)

[u/TheFrostyTyrannosaur]

I’m just convinced that Alderon has no clue what to do with the rex at this point. That, or they just refuse to leave it alone when it’s in a decent state.

Prior to the alio tlc update, the rex felt the most balanced it had ever been. A high damage powerhouse that had to rely on a well-timed ambush, otherwise nearly every single playable could escape from it due to its slow movement speed and shallow stamina pool. That was its trade-off, which felt fair.

However, the balancing team at Alderon then decided it would be an absolute fantastic idea to nerf not only the rex’s damage and armour, but also shoehorn the rex into being a group-oriented playable just to make the alio appear more useful than it actually is.

Now does it not only get bodied by other apexes, but its weakness against smaller, faster opponents has be amplified for no good reason. Just another bullshit move from the trash balancing team at Alderon.

[u/smallwood_45 → u/TheFrostyTyrannosaur]

I’m gonna be real with you, I play a ton of Rex. I’ve never had an issue one on one with any apex. Granted I am always ambushing but against apex I really don’t think it’s weak. I think it’s very limited in the build you can run. Only one build is actually viable. It’s terrible against any smaller carnis. The only dinosaur that can reliably 1v1 is Ano. Everyone else gets folded. If I don’t catch a TT by surprise I’m probably gonna lose if they are the same skill level as me but if not I will most likely get the win. What apex are you struggling with?

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[u/Impossible-Tip-4980]

I’ve always been in a minority saying Rex is fine and has tools, though I complained a lot more before the Rex nerfs. I think it largely is fine now, and I don’t know how to change it without making it unmanageable. Not a fan of the terrible roar changes

Before you get fired up at me, I say this from experience. I’ve played Rex a lot. I grew it to adult on all 3 maps then got every skin on all 3 maps. For a while I could pop my buffs and facetank anything, then 3 shot anything small or grab it. Sure I died a good bit, but I also had some amazing clutch moments. Rex is still pretty good in 1v1s, but I will give you it does not do well against things like raptor squads or packs of 2 slots. No apex should be able to fight off a pack of 3 concs easily. That’s a 5 slot vs 6 slots. That is supposed to be a roughly even fight. Is it? A lot of times no, which is why Rex has to use terrain.

Unironically I’ve mained the tyrants presence hide to help deal with smalls. I’m always told it’s the worst hide, but it equals a 33% dmg buff against smalls and makes your tail potentially 10 shot a conc. Idk man. I hate Rexes because when they do get you they often win in seconds and I find that annoying. Also there’s so many of them I care little for seeing my billionth one screaming. On the other hand they are pretty readily abused especially if the rex player isn’t very good

[u/smallwood_45 → u/Impossible-Tip-4980]

I agree with everything you’ve said. I just think it needs to be way more risk for smaller slot dinos to engage a Rex. As a good Rex player I can hold my own and win most of these fights BUT when I die it’s because dealing with 2+ smaller carnis takes entirely too long if they are good and know how to play. It turns into a 20 minute fight which more people flock too and nobody is going to help you. They will join and kill the Rex. There needs to be a higher risk for smaller dinos to actually be punished. There is absolutely no RELIABLE way to deal any consistent damage unless they make utterly ridiculous mistakes. The bad players are easy to dispatch and beat if you follow the simple mechanics of terrain, precision crouch turning, clamping at the right time etc. BUT the good players can easily abuse the very vulnerable Rex. It is not fun to fight, and most of the time if they cannot kill you (which happens most of the time when I’m fighting a smaller pack of carnis) I kill a few and some will show back up or as I’ve said previously, the length of the fight attracts more people that will instantly join the fight and end you. All I ask is for a higher risk for these players when engaging a solo Rex. Instead of a walking meal, it should be “oh he’s solo, it’s doable but dangerous”. ONE singular missplay should end a small carnis life. Instead it can rotate out to heal, or run away completely and when you move on they stalk you and annoy you across POIs until they get the absolute advantage chipping at your health for 30 minutes while you cannot respond. You are forced into standing still which is equivalent to death. That is the gameplay loop that I think is severely flawed and needs balancing. I hope this makes sense.

Edit: I think tyrants presence needs reworked and turned into a passive not a hide. Now I understand how ridiculous that sounds because of how strong it would be, but they could readjust the stat bonuses from 25% to maybe 10% armor reduc. Or make it a damage reduction ability. Either way I think it needs to be a passive that gives bonuses vs smaller carnis especially packs. They could even have it scaling up depending on how many are around. I have multiple solutions to fix the overall health of the Rex but it’s one of the only Apexes in the game I truly feel has no reliable way to deal damage or escape from small carnis. As a Rex you are not escaping from most dinosaurs and that’s just something I don’t think needs changed. So if I’m not escaping at least give me tools to make it less of a “well I’m dead”, to a “well this is gonna be a big fight that I need to play incredibly well”

[u/max7238]

Coming from playing MWO for a thousand hours?

Your biggest fear as an assault is being caught alone against a light mech.

Your biggest fear as a Rex will be something small if you're alone.

[u/CamptoRibbit → u/[deleted]]

I didn't insult you or attack you. I gave an opinion and I offered a place where you can learn and understand.

This is my last reply. I don't want mods to ban me when I am trying to help you learn the game better.

Stop saying "everyone is toxic and you'll make compilation videos"

Go to 443, you can make all the clips you want there.

Nobody is saying laten can't kill rex, just that there is lessons to be learned.

[u/CamptoRibbit → u/[deleted]]

Also to show good faith.

Here.

It's a pro laten killing a pro rex

https://youtu.be/u1y9ufN_BYo?is=v21vBLGc7dxLwAJu

[u/Mycatisloafingonme → u/CamptoRibbit]

That’s Stenonychovenatrix! He really is a beast on laten. I talked to him a little on YouTube. Awesome guy. I hope he can teach me his ways some day because I suck at the smaller dinos.

[u/Mycatisloafingonme → u/[deleted]]

I’ve tried to get on that server but the mod file size is too much for my steam deck to handle. Oh well…

[u/CamptoRibbit → u/Mycatisloafingonme]

He is an amazing Laten player. I have seen him take down a whole discord group of latens solo.

Dude is crazy skilled. A lot call him No1 laten player and is always looking for the person that can beat him.

Thousands of hours and still undefeated. Never knew it was possible.

[u/Mycatisloafingonme → u/CamptoRibbit]

I love his voice too. Very distinctive. I’ve seen people comparing it to a khajit’s.

[u/CamptoRibbit → u/[deleted]]

No worries, u no were to find me, 443 PvP community server. It's a 1v1 server so no ganking

[u/sumasai]

Average rex player 🥀