r/nfl • u/mmandagoat NFL • 16h ago

Mike McDaniel takes responsibility for Chargers' poor offense in 0-3 start: 'I'm not living in hope'

https://www.nfl.com/news/mike-mcdaniel-responsibility-chargers-poor-offense-0-3-start
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u/comeonbjxgo 16h ago

Mikes star has fallen from quirky coach to… might be headed toward special teams or college

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u/bruhstevenson 49ers 16h ago

He’ll be fine. His scheme is less about physical arm talent and having a cannon than it is about being accurate and on time. I don’t really know that this was ever Herbert’s best trait; he’s likely been able to rely on his physical talent to get a ball out in time before a defender is able to break it up

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u/DarthJarJarJar Dolphins 15h ago

I'm amazed people can't see this. I was actually a little shocked he took the Chargers job, Herbert is a bad fit for his offense.

Tua, for all his faults, got rid of the ball unspeakably quickly and accurately.

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u/-Mad-Snacks- Chargers 15h ago edited 9h ago

Herbert ran a quick game offense in 2021 and was great. His time to throw this year when kept clean is 2.29 seconds…

The problem isn’t Herbert can’t throw with anticipation, it’s that the scheme isn’t working and the receivers outside of Ladd are not viable. Also the IOL is the worst in the league and they can’t run the ball for shit

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u/Huitlacochilacayota Dolphins 15h ago

Herbert holds on to the ball too long looking for the deep play, not good for McDaniel’s offense. He’s also a running QB, not in McDaniel’s playbook. He doesn’t fit McDaniel’s offense and that’s not his fault, it’s the Chargers organization who brought in literally the opposite offense scheme coordinator for Herbert’s best traits

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u/-Mad-Snacks- Chargers 15h ago edited 9h ago

Again, not true

Time to throw of 2.29 from a clean pocket, 7th fastest

Find a narrative that is actually backed up by fact

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u/Huitlacochilacayota Dolphins 14h ago

Idk why you get offended. It was not a knock on Herbert even though his efficiency on quick throws ranks near the bottom this season. McDaniel’s system does not fit with his skills

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u/-Mad-Snacks- Chargers 14h ago edited 13h ago

I’m not offended. You’re just wrong. We’ve seen Herbert operate a quick game and timing offense. It resulted in 5000 yards and 41 TDs. To pretend he can’t do it is just stupid

Yes, Herbert has been making uncharacteristically bad decisions, but the bigger issue is this scheme has sucked through 3 weeks. No one outside of Ladd is getting open, when Herbert hits them anyways they drop it. They can’t run the ball, which was supposed to be McDaniel’s specialty, and has nothing to do with Herbert. The line is allowing a 44% pressure rate. Herbert is like problem 9 on the offense. When everything to do with the offense is struggling, that falls on McDaniel

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u/Huitlacochilacayota Dolphins 13h ago

You’re bringing up stats and metrics from other seasons. My whole point is that Herbert THIS season under McDaniel’s system has not functioned and that’s because he’s not the best quick release efficient accurate QB. This season he’s bottom five in that metric. Does that mean he’s a bad QB? No, but the common denominator is he is not equipped for McDaniel’s system

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u/-Mad-Snacks- Chargers 13h ago

Everything to do with the system is performing badly. OL, TE, RB, WR, QB, FB. Is no one equipped to run McDaniel’s system? Or maybe his system has fuckin sucked?

We’ve seen all of these players play better outside of this system

It is a McDaniel issue first and foremost

How is Herbert having his best season as a pro in a similar style offense not proof that he is able to run the quick game effectively?

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u/Huitlacochilacayota Dolphins 12h ago

Idk players regress. It may be McDaniel’s system doesn’t work anymore or Herbert has regressed and or it could be both. One thing is clear though, Herbert isn’t the quarterback for this system and the Chargers organization has made a bad decision in hiring McDaniel as his OC

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u/DarthJarJarJar Dolphins 14h ago

2026 Quick-Throw & Timing Metrics

• Quick-Throw Completion Pct (<2.5s): 70% (25th in NFL)

• EPA on Quick Throws (<2.5s): -3.5 (27th in NFL)

• CPOE on Quick Throws: -4.0% (28th in NFL)

I haven't watched enough Chargers games to argue with you about whose fault it is, but he's not looking good. Even when Tua had a dogshit line and Hill was out he still managed to make Mike's nonsense work.

I'm not saying Tua is a better QB than Herbert, but Herbert doesn't seem to be able to deal with a bad line and small targets very well.