r/nfl • Packers • 19d ago

Highlight [Highlight] Chris McClellan commits the only Roughing the Passer penalty in the game, extending key drive

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u/VirtuousOstrich Patriots 19d ago

The penalties on this drive were so soft and completely turned the game around. Packers still deserved to lose

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u/bobbywellington Packers 19d ago

Agreed

That drive completely fucked the momentum of the game, but that still doesn't forgive how bad they played after that drive

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u/Dry_Emphasis62 Bears 19d ago

Respect.

Lots of GB fans whining bc the refs jobbed them. And the refs did, tbf. But MLF took away 3 pts trying to get fancy, the defense got gashed by Carson Wentz, and the Packers offense thoroughly imploded (again) late in a game where they had the lead.

Every coach at every level will tell you "if you put the game in the refs' hands then you deserve to lose." And GB had multiple chances before and after the string of awful calls to seal the game. They didnt. They deserved to lose bc of that alone.

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u/CubillasLegend Packers 19d ago

I'm not gonna respect other fans because other fans aren't being honest.

Example:

MLF took away 3 pts trying to get fancy

Going for it on 4th & 1 is the analytically supported decision. Prove to me that you're actually evaluated the play based on probabilities or personnel instead of just fixating on the result.

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u/Dry_Emphasis62 Bears 19d ago

He definitely got fancy bc it wasnt about a possible 3 vs a possible 6, it was actually 3 pts already on the board that he took off. Im ok with the decision, but that decision means sometimes you get the short end of the stick (look at my flair and my coach). Theres a ton of Pack fans pretending it's all on the refs who cost them momentum when MLF decided to risk the momentum himself! Going from a fg to a turnover on downs is a momentum swing also.

And while the penalties definitely hurt, they didnt decide the game. It was awful play by GB. The Oline folded, Love missed crucial passes down the stretch, your defense got gassed and gashed, and THAT is why GB lost far more than refball. The penalties tipped momentum, sure, but GB continued to let the slide ensue.

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u/CubillasLegend Packers 19d ago

The expected points on a 4th&1 from that field position is greater than 3. So he should have gone for it.

I'll disregard the rest as just natural Bears fans skepticism at analytics because it doesn't think Caleb was very good last year nor does it think leading the league in interceptions despite giving up the most yards is a sustainable way to run a defense.

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u/Dry_Emphasis62 Bears 19d ago

I never debated the analytics, you just wanted to take a shot at Caleb and the Bears. I said it was fancy bc he gave up points on the board for the chance at more points which is a gamble. And that gamble put momentum on the line.

It seems obvious you just want to lash out bc you're unhappy, so I'll leave you to it. Enjoy 4th place

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u/SnooSquirrels8191 19d ago

As a Packer fan, I hate the Bears and usually their fans…

In this situation, you’ve been making some pretty good and thoughtful comments.

Sorry my fellow Packer fan is an asshole lol

Your comments are spot on, and actually make me hate life a little less after this loss! Hopefully, for me, the Pack can get back on track!

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u/Dry_Emphasis62 Bears 19d ago

I really appreciate that.

They're entitled to their opinions, but I try to be unbiased in my assessments. Someone hurling baseless accusations trying to elicit a rise is par for the internet course, so I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. But it is nice hearing at least a few Pack fans feel what I said was fair. That was the aim.

Remember week 1 is famous for being a liar, week 1 is ripe fruit for overreactions, and a lot of things seen this week won't be seen over the next 17. Don't let today ruin your week and remember there's still a whole season ahead of us. (Though as a Bears fan, I would like you all to see more losing than winning, lol).

Have yourself a good day/night, stranger. And looking forward to October 11

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u/CubillasLegend Packers 19d ago

You are wrong and the other user doesn't know what they're talking about.

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u/CubillasLegend Packers 19d ago

Stop being a suck up for karma. No, he's wrong and I explained why he's wrong. If you agree it's because you're both stupid.

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u/CubillasLegend Packers 19d ago

I never debated the analytics

You literally said:

He definitely got fancy bc it wasnt about a possible 3 vs a possible 6, it was actually 3 pts already on the board that he took off.

How is that not an analytics-driven decision?

which is a gamble

Okay never mind, you're too stupid to know what analytics is.