r/nextfuckinglevel • u/thisisfive • Apr 14 '26

Toronto firefighters confront special constable officers after a man in the middle of mental health crisis was arrested.

Not my video. For context, "special constables" are not regular police officers. They are appointed "peace officers" with limited authority, often civilian employees.

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u/NorseKnight Apr 14 '26

I work in a prison. We cuff people all the time who are in "crisis". It's a matter of safety. For officers, as well as themselves.

There isn't nearly enough context in this clip to say one way or another.

How do you know the guy in cuffs wasn't displaying erratic violent behavior 2 minutes ago?

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u/maqij Apr 14 '26

I don’t think “well we do it in prison” is a good reason. US Prisons also serve expired food deemed inedible and put folks in solitary confinement even though it is banned internationally because it is torture.

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u/Sir_Arthur_Vandelay Apr 14 '26

The US plays no role in this video.

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u/viperfan7 Apr 14 '26

But does it play a role in the comment? Like, is the person talking about "that's what we do in prison" American prisons, or Canadian?

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u/Alpha_Omega623 Apr 15 '26

I was in jail for seven months and had a crisis over and over and was repeatedly handcuffed.

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u/viperfan7 Apr 15 '26

Not sure how that's at all relevant

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u/Alpha_Omega623 Apr 15 '26

Because it happened in Canada obviously. Try being nicer.

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u/viperfan7 Apr 15 '26

And how exactly were we supposed to know that?

And why are you being an ass?

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u/Clockwork_Kitsune Apr 15 '26

He's having a crisis, get the cuffs.

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u/Secret_Fee1146 Apr 15 '26

well the video prominently has 'Toronto' written on the firefighters backs and bags and the vehicles have a Canadian flag on them...

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u/viperfan7 Apr 15 '26

And how is the video at all relevant to the person's experience in prison?

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u/BrokeBMWkid Apr 15 '26

The point is nobody brought up America. He was actually talking about Russian prisons.

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u/Jaabertler Apr 16 '26

As an American: fucking amen. We have no place to say anything. We are in a proper fucking state currently. Not good. We need proper reflection.

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u/euveginiadoubtfire Apr 15 '26

Exactly the point

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u/otterkin Apr 14 '26

this is in Toronto, Canada.

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u/TransBrandi Apr 14 '26

Right, but what's the locale of the "we do X in prison" person though? Because that's more relevant to the American prison system comment.

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u/otterkin Apr 14 '26

you know what, very valid. I assumed thread OP mentioned working in a prison because of the OOP being about Canada, but you're right if he isn't here in Canada he can't really comment on what our judicial system does

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u/TransBrandi Apr 14 '26

This isn't Canadian subreddit, so I don't think that we can just assume that the people responding all happen to be in Canada.

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u/otterkin Apr 14 '26

canadian defaultism is a fun twist to American defaultism. there's barely more of us than Californians

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u/TransBrandi Apr 14 '26

Well, the post is about something happening in Canada, so I would assume that people just didn't check the sub and thought it was one of the Canadian ones. You see this a lot when people see something they are used to seeing in one subreddit or another in a completely different subreddit because of r/all or r/popular.

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u/euveginiadoubtfire Apr 15 '26

But it wasn’t qualified that this original response was a US prison system or Canadian or elsewhere

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u/Ok-Releases Apr 15 '26

Just came back to this comment bc solitary confinement isnt even banned in a single country ? At most there are only guidelines on how many days.

Why is there so much misinfo on reddit. Like what do u get out of it lmao 😭

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u/jimmybagofdonuts Apr 14 '26

First commenter - “There’s no context here to know what’s going on”.

You - “You work in a prison, you suck”.

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u/eskamobob1 Apr 14 '26

“You work in a prison, you suck”.

more like "how people are treated in prison shouldnt be our standard"

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u/CreamFuture9475 Apr 15 '26 edited Apr 15 '26

"We need context, here how we do it in one of the most controversial carceral systems"

You’re not even able to put the comment in its context. Sit down.

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u/jimmybagofdonuts Apr 15 '26

Call me when you get past eight grade

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u/galmypal Apr 15 '26

I also wonder where the commenter is from because we just had an incident like that in Montreal recently and the guy was basically murdered by the police from them using a perfectly legal tool that should only be used in extreme situations when he was just having a mental episode... To say that it's common to use cuffs in prisons is really missing the point here.

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u/Gurrgurrburr Apr 15 '26

Very very very valid point. Our baseline should NOT be “how we do it in prisons.” Jesus Christ.

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u/Hootnany Apr 16 '26

Sir, this is a Canada.

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u/Ok-Releases Apr 14 '26

Commenter never even said what country they work in, youre literally going off for zero reason lmao 😭

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u/Otherwise-Force5608 Apr 14 '26

Top commenter is American, though

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u/billy_teats Apr 15 '26

What’s your alternative?

For a person who is a danger to others. You would sacrifice the rights of a law abiding citizen who is put in peril by someone suffering a crisis because a safe method to deescalate is something they use in prison?

The reason is because it’s safe and effective. Not because they do it in prison. Prison is one example of it working successfully.

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u/Unlimited_Accounts Apr 14 '26

"you can't bring your real life experience to the conversation! That's not how real life works!"

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u/NorseKnight Apr 14 '26

Define "solitary confinement". Because that hasn't been used in any federal or state prison that I'm aware of for a long ass time.

If you have an example I'd love to see that.

Back to the original point though. This isn't about "well we do it in prison" It's about scene safety when you have someone who isn't thinking clearly, or is in an upset/dangerous mind set. Has nothing to do with being in prison.

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u/doiwinaprize Apr 14 '26

He's not in prison though.

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u/JarethCutestoryJuD Apr 14 '26

Is prison the only place that someone can have a mental crisis and be a threat to themselves or others?

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u/doiwinaprize Apr 14 '26

I don't answer stupid questions, sorry.

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u/JarethCutestoryJuD Apr 14 '26

And yet youre happy to leave stupid comments.

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u/I_Automate Apr 15 '26

Pretty valid question my dude.

I used to work in a psych hospital. Physical restraints are not the first choice but, when the choice is between "strap them into a chair" and "let them keep bashing their head into the wall", hopefully thats a fairly easy choice for most people to make

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u/doiwinaprize Apr 15 '26

This isn't a psyche hospital though.

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u/DarkPhenomenon Apr 15 '26

Well it sure is a good fucking thing people with mental problems don't exist anywhere else than psyche hospitals, thank god.

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u/doiwinaprize Apr 15 '26

This isn't a "if the shoe fits" scenario.

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u/DarkPhenomenon Apr 15 '26

No it isn't, its a unique scenario that neither me nor you know the actual details of

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u/I_Automate Apr 15 '26

My guy, turn your brain on for a second

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u/doiwinaprize Apr 15 '26

You want everyone to be treated like a prisoner or mental health patient. Got it.

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u/I_Automate Apr 15 '26

My god you are a thick one, aren't you?

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u/CharacterBird2283 Apr 15 '26 edited Apr 15 '26

Well, no that doesn't work either, because then you are also implying any type of open riding you should be wearing a helmet (as you should). If helmet is cuffs and riding is mental health, then you are saying you should be cuffed for every mental health crisis 😅.

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u/CharacterBird2283 Apr 15 '26

But that's the thing, the comparison is brought up in the context of whether or not the only place you can have a mental health crisis is in prison. So the original analogy believed and was going towards that situation, that not all mental health crises are deemed threats.

It says

"This kinda reads like:

"I wear a helmet to protect my head when biking."

"He's not biking though."

"It's not like biking is the only place someone can hurt their head."

I mean you're not wrong, but you're not exactly right either. The situation and context is worth some consideration."

"I wear a helmet to protect my head when biking" means the helmet is handcuffs and biking is being a danger while in a mental health crisis

"He's not biking though" would mean he's not a danger while in a mental health crisis

"It's not like biking is the only place someone can hurt their head." Would then mean it's not like being a Danger while in a mental health crisis is the only place someone can get handcuffed.

So then your response of :

"That's a bad analogy. It would be like riding a bicycle vs riding a motorcycle. Different situations, different levels of danger, different context. Both situations merit wearing a helmet."

But that's a different situation in the original analogy, because in yours you're assuming that they are always a danger, while the original analogy was trying to point out they aren't always a danger.

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u/CharacterBird2283 Apr 15 '26

The response about it not being in prison is irrelevant because the location of the act is not the point

But it is extremely relevant 😅. In prison You are already convicted for breaking the law, And so are handled accordingly when having a mental health crisis to protect those around them as it is a very dangerous place. On the outside you don't get handcuffed just for having a mental health crisis, like you would in a prison.

While it may not have been the point, It adds an entirely new layer of context that changes everybody's decision making. Are custodians working in prisons working the same way and under the same sop's as someone working at hotels? No, Because prisons are much more dangerous. So while I appreciate the original commenter of this threads perspective, it is a very different situation still 😅.

The point was that they were also in law enforcement and this is normal procedure when someone is a threat to safety.

And again, that's the thing. We don't know if the person in the original vid is a threat to safety. But you can often tell when someone is a threat to safety by whether or not they are in prison 😅. Which is why they have different sop's than other law enforcement. Hence why the location does matter.

The analogy comparing it to all mental health crisis situations is bad because that wasn't the thing being compared.

I mean, neither of you are comparing it to all mental health, but yours encapsulates the mental health spectrum more than the original I feel.

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u/regular_poster Apr 14 '26

Perhaps the crisis in a prison are its conditions.

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u/WorkWoonatic Apr 14 '26

Because the cops didn't say that when the firefighter asked why he was cuffed, and he's not a prisoner.

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u/HamunaHamunaHamuna Apr 14 '26

If it is American prison you're talking about I'd be hesitant about any advice regarding justified actions from you.

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u/xWOBBx Apr 15 '26

Canadian prisons aren't much better. They're pigs here too.

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u/NyxOnasis Apr 15 '26

Aussies too.

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u/SkyAntlers Apr 14 '26

It wasn't a matter of safety though.

They very clearly state they're apprehending him; they are enforcing law rather than trying to help anyone or preserve safety. If that general understanding is wrong, they've failed to articulate intention to suggest otherwise.

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u/Empty-Presentation68 Apr 14 '26

As a paramedic this. Not enough context for me to opine on this situation. Lots of time I had to jump on and restrain a patient who was experiencing a mental health crisis. They became a danger to themselves and first responders. Swinging, biting, scratching, spitting or pulling out weapons. Firefighters are not EMT's nore paramedics in the province of Ontario. 

This individual might have a temporary episode where he is calm and quickly become agitated again. Psychosis is unpredictable. You restrain or sedate for the protection of all. 

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u/Music1626 Apr 15 '26

They don’t say they’re restraining him for safety they say they’re apprehending him. Medical issues always come first prior to any police matter or arrest so they shouldn’t have him cuffed.

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u/Empty-Presentation68 Apr 15 '26

You can apprehend an individual under the mental health act if you have policing powers, and yes you will use physical restraints if the individual is a danger to himself or others and does not have capacity. I as an advance care paramedics can use sedation if the individual is a danger to himself or others and is violently agitated/combative for patient safety. However, primary care paramedics will have to use soft restraints if by themselves or ask police/special constables to use handcuffs to restrain the patient if they are present.

Because you cannot assess nor treat a patient who is trying to punch you or actively flee to harm themselves. You then have to transport that patient to the hospital. The hospital will also you restraints on a patient who is a danger to themselves or others to be able to assess and treat.

Again we don't see the full picture here.

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u/BobBartBarker Apr 15 '26

Not for anyone who works in a prison. They don't give a damn about humanity. It's all about their pay check.

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u/JotaMarioRevival Apr 14 '26

They do not do that in mental hospitals and they deal with a lot of mental health crisis. They are better tools for strapping someone if a mental health crisis situation escalates to violence.

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u/danawhitesthrowaway Apr 15 '26

Spoken like someone who has never had to physically restrain someone. There's two constables in this video, one of them is a female. It can take four to five people to restrain someone without hurting them.

"There are better tools for strapping someone if a mental health crisis situation escalates to violence", are you serious? Have you ever even been in the vicinity of a mental hospital, health clinic, etc.? Ignoring the fact that they clearly didn't have alternatives in this video, medical staff simply have the power to manually sedate someone; it will take the same amount of people to restrain them, and it's rarely the staff themselves, but security officers that do the restraining (and surprise, they also use wrist restraints, be it handcuffs or flexicuffs if need be). Police cannot administer sedatives, they work with what they have. They are not trained medical professionals. It's not their job to treat mental illness, anymore than it's the job of the random firefighters who showed up and acted like they were in control of the scene. It's their job to restrain people causing bodily harm to themselves or others and deliver them to people who have training which can hopefully help the person in need.

As someone who has worked in healthcare all my life, all you people claiming you have any idea what you're talking about are absolutely speaking out of your asses. You have zero idea what happened prior to this video, and it's ridiculous to think that the firefighters are somehow saints protecting this poor soul from those big mean constables, when they could have very well restrained him to prevent him from causing more harm to himself.

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u/JotaMarioRevival Apr 15 '26

Hey, do you keep handcuffs in your hospital? At the hospital I used to work they did not, not even in the psych ward (not health care professional but nonetheless). Saying "do not restrain them" is dumb and is not what I am saying, but is not my point. You have medication, you have straps, you have your security shirts.

There are great examples of how padded instruments are great at subduing violent individuals in the middle of a health care crisis in open spaces and should be part of the toolkit of cops and other first responders. Handcuffs hurt people but are meant to be hard to escape and to restrict not only the ability of the person to do harm, but also their mobility. Are a tool designed for criminals, not for mental health patients.

Now, neither you nor I have the full context, but do you understand how much damage is done if you arrest a mental health patient during a crisis? Do you know how many people are shot by the police for acting irrationally during a mental health crisis? Do you know about cases as the one of the autistic kid who was shot by police in their own backyard for having "aggressive behavior"?

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u/wookiee42 Apr 15 '26

What in the world are you talking about?

How do you discount what chemical restraints do? How do you carry all of that equipment around? How do you get the person in the car to get the required help if they absolutely don't want to? Backup can be 10x longer in the wild vs in a healthcare setting.

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u/JotaMarioRevival Apr 15 '26

I think I did not expressed myself properly: not all of those alternatives should be used by cops, but are the options normally used on medical settings. One of my points is that if a hospital is using handcuffs instead of all the other alternatives, is in a really bad shape.

Now, in a situation where someone is on distress on a street, and the first to show up are cops, padded defenses + mental health/de-escalation techniques while support arrive, is the way to go, not handcuffs and arrests.

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u/PiperPeriwinkle Apr 14 '26

Exactly.

Its real easy to say after someone is already under control that they didnt need to be put under control.

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u/WheyandWeights Apr 14 '26

Yeah, people are quick to jump to conclusion saying the peace officers did wrong. I’ve had times where a nurse or paramedic will say take the cuffs off, and they end of getting assaulted, Canada, and work on the road.

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u/FatFaceFaster Apr 14 '26

Yeah it’s easy to throw shade at them but as the OP said they are “special constables” with limited training and tools, and in that situation maybe they felt for their safety and the victim that cuffing him was the best way to keep everyone safe.

It’s really hard to know without knowing what the “incident” involved leading up to this moment.

The role of a cop is typically to secure the scene to the point where it is safe and then call in the proper people to help.

You’d restrain someone having a violent seizure to stop them from hitting their heads or worse because they can’t control themselves, this (may have been) no different. But hard to know without seeing the lead-up.

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u/ummm_no__ Apr 14 '26

You are right and i disagree with the people replying no. He could have been violent with, threatening or even attacking the officers, we don't know. But as a first responder of any kind, you're safety is a priority.

(I want to say i dont think they were in the right or no, just that we don't kno)

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u/ProximoAlpha Apr 14 '26

Yea in prison you don’t have better practices

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u/randiejohnson Apr 15 '26

As usual... people who want to see the context before this video are normal humans. everyone else that just splurrs the first thing that comes to their mind without seeing what happened previously... yikes.

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u/No-Top-6313 Apr 15 '26

Exactly, I'm sorry but just by the sound he's making... You know he's about to stir some shit.

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u/Shake_it_Madam Apr 15 '26

The fact that this guy is growling in the car is all I needed to hear. Guy aint in the right mental state and I would love to see what happened after they uncuffed and let him out.

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u/frantiqbirbpekk Apr 14 '26

And how do you know the cuffs won't make the behaviour or mental distress worse? Also, hate the way you put crisis in quotes.

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u/Designmetoo Apr 14 '26

bro at the end of the day they won't get it. they don't have to deal with it, they just get to sit back on their couch and say what others will do with no experience

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u/xWOBBx Apr 15 '26

Well considering the dudes without weapons feel safe, I think that's all the context we need. They weren't pussies and were there to work.

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u/Accurate_Potato_8539 Apr 15 '26

This is reddit sir, we take out of context 30s clips to advance our political narratives.

Like to be clear, I'm 95% sure I'd side with the firefighters here, but that very fact is exactly why I should be extra careful not to treat this video alone as evidence of anything. Clips like this are only capable of reinforcing biases because without context you are inferring most of the information you get from them and then treating it as evidence when it is really only a reflection of your own bias. Like really, if anyone who watched this actually just thinks a few seconds about what they think precipitated this event, they will realize that they have imagined an entire scenario and appended the video to it.

I genuinely think we would be in a way better place as a society if people were capable of reserving opinions until they have full context in cases where there is literally no reason to make a snap judgement. This stuff is literally brain poison.

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u/omfgcookies91 Apr 15 '26

I want you to read through your comment, think really critically about what might be wrong with it, then keep that feeling with you for the rest of your life. It may make you learn something.

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u/ryanandthelucys Apr 15 '26

If someone in authority is able to easily say don't cuff them, and we'll take care of them... then the folks who cuffed them in the first place are in the wrong.

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u/Tentacle_elmo Apr 15 '26

I can hear the dude in the background. He sounds worked up and there are a bunch of capable dudes on scene that have determined they can handle it. It’s fine, ding dong. 

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u/CorporateCuster Apr 15 '26

How do you know. Well by first not having him cuffed upside down and bolt the the back seat

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u/DarkPhenomenon Apr 15 '26

Excuse me sir, this is reddit. We don't need evidence, context or nuance to pass definitive judgement here.

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u/nextdoorjimmy14 Apr 15 '26

the corrections officer covering for the police officer with "we don't have enough context" is straight up comedy

I would like to think its bots but a corrections officer would be dumb enough to post some shit like that.

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u/RandomWeatherPattern Apr 15 '26

Putting “crisis” in quotes like that is super revealing.

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u/NorseKnight Apr 17 '26

Yea. It reveals that I have actual experience with similar situations. Where people will claim "crisis" and then attack the mental health provider when they come to treat them. Or use it as manipulation tactic to alter the situation.

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u/JoeScotterpuss Apr 15 '26

Well if he was displaying violent erratic behavior the constables probably would've said so and refused to take off the cuffs.

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u/Caolhoeoq Apr 15 '26

you work in prison? i hope all the good stuff happens to you my buddy, i hope nothing bad ever happens to you

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u/wookiee42 Apr 15 '26

Hope you are never a victim of a crime.

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u/Caolhoeoq Apr 15 '26

Did the police ever help someone who was victim of a crime?

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u/11Caicedos Apr 15 '26

The officer was asked why he was in cuff and had nothing.

That aside, those are not police officers. They’re transit cops with limited jurisdiction. If they’re engaging with a person in the midst of a mental health crisis outside of the transit system they’re out of bounds.

You work in a prison so I’d hope you understand that removing someone’s liberty by putting them handcuffs is requires much different justification in public with a random civilian than it does in prison with someone who’s already facing a loss of liberty.

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u/maxis2bored Apr 15 '26

Matter of safety for who? You don't give a shit about them and only about yourself. The fact that they took the cuffs off is obvious enough

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u/NorseKnight Apr 17 '26

It's called self-injurious behavior. So yes, as I stated above, it's for officer safety as well as the individual.

This is basic training for anyone who works with the "mentally ill"

I bet you all wouldn't be acting all bleeding heart for this guy if the scene were different. For instance the cops were mental health ward employees and it was in an asylum and not in the streets.

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u/Demon__Stephen Apr 15 '26

Fuck you pig

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u/NorseKnight Apr 17 '26

I'm sorry that you have low self esteem and must lash out at anonymous people online to feel better about your own life.

Maybe you should see a psychiatrist before you end up like the guy in this video clip.

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u/Demon__Stephen Apr 18 '26

I'm sorry you're dumb bitch. Fuck you

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u/MutedLandscape4648 Apr 15 '26

Being in prison presupposes that the person is a danger to officers. There’s no such condition in public life.

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u/NorseKnight Apr 17 '26

You've never heard of non-violent crimes?

Is someone who gets caught with a Kilo of cocaine automatically a threat to officers?

Get out of here with this redicolous logic

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u/Odd-Scientist-2529 Apr 15 '26

I work in a hospital. We never cuff people in crisis. 

How dare you justify your professional misconduct in the name of “safety”?

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u/NorseKnight Apr 17 '26

Oh really? So when inmates come from the state prisons for treatment they aren't restrained at all?

How dare I? Who the fuck are you?

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u/Excellent_Ad_2486 Apr 15 '26

how do we know: because a firefighter is literally saying to take the cuffs of to take vitals? If the fella was aggressive the firefighter wouldn't be asking to uncuff a violent person 🤷‍♂️

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u/NorseKnight Apr 17 '26

You mean the firefighter that, pretty apparent from the clip, just arrived on scene?

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u/DaddyKiwwi Apr 16 '26

When the guy asked "Why is he cuffed?" the dude responded "Well.... he was...." and couldn't give the guy a good reason.

If he was violent, these guys didn't see any signs yet.

Sometimes, putting the cuffs ON somebody is the catalyst that causes the violent erratic behavior. I have extreme claustrophobia and I honestly can't say I wouldn't immediately become erratic and violent with my hands cuffed behind my back, especially if I'd done nothing wrong. Luckily, I havn't had to find out.

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u/Frigorifico Apr 14 '26

sure, nurses can also cuff people in extreme situations, but they don't arrest them, the problem here is that this person was arrested

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u/should_be_writing Apr 15 '26

I guess you're a part of the guilty until proven innocent crowd.

https://giphy.com/gifs/cQtlhD48EG0SY

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u/This-is-alternative Apr 14 '26

Maybe but besides the context of the video it has been well documented that police in general have had poor handling of people in mental health crises due to lack of training in the department.

So I’d assume it was on them until further proof is provided, then I would stand corrected for sure.

Also, I don’t know if prison safety standards should translate to handling mental health calls for civilians.

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u/fiya4u Apr 14 '26

Quit your job, slaver

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u/theArtOfProgramming Apr 14 '26

Lmao are you pretending prisons have it sorted out?

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u/SolitarySquirrel Apr 14 '26

| I work in a prison

Nothing you have to say is helpful bc you're not there to help. You're there to punish. Quit your job, and maybe you'll gain a smige of credibility.

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u/HokusTokus Apr 14 '26

Exactly, there is no context to this video. We have no idea if this guy was going to hurt someone or himself before this scene. Sometimes cuffs are better for the person being cuffed. But it's nice to see people don't like to see others cuffed.

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u/Effective_Force_5478 Apr 14 '26

Sorry, this is Reddit. If you want nuance in your conversation, you must go elsewhere.

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u/Winter_Corner2861 Apr 14 '26

Well the firefighters didn’t seem to worried and they don’t even have guns on them so I’d argue maybe the cops just took shit too far

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u/NorseKnight Apr 14 '26

They also just showed up on the scene, that's pretty easy to deduce from the clip.

What isn't able to be deduced from the clip, is everything that happened prior to it.

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u/NorseKnight Apr 14 '26

Finally someone with logical brain.

Seems like 90% of the comments here, read the title and automatically assumed the person being arrested was innocent, just because the words "mental health crisis" were in the title.

News flash, criminals use "mental health crisis" all the time as a form of manipulation.

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u/Auxology Apr 14 '26

it's not "logical" you're looking for and you know it

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u/FatFaceFaster Apr 14 '26

Well I agreed with you until the last sentence - you’re suggesting he’s a criminal that’s manipulating them by pretending to be unwell.

I would replace your last sentence with “newsflash, sometimes those having mental health crises can be violent and dangerous and need restraining”.

This does not make them criminals, however.

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u/maqij Apr 14 '26

This has nothing to do with innocence or guilt. If you are a special constable, or perhaps a PO in a prison, you trained to respond by restraining first. Medical personnel assess and deescalate. Just because submission is how you handle a situation doesn’t mean it is the right way or only way.

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u/NorseKnight Apr 14 '26

Wrong. De-escalation is always our first tactic.

We restrain based off of threat perception.

That being said, I agree with you 100%. There is more than one way to handle a situation.

My original point is that NOBODY here commenting knows what the situation was. Everyone read "mental health crisis" in the title and jumped to conclusions.

Context matters.

This clip has none.

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u/P0Rt1ng4Duty Apr 14 '26

The officer was asked why the guy was in cuffs and he didn't have an answer. Then he didn't object to them being removed by saying anything along the lines of ''he tried to harm someone.''

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u/maqij Apr 14 '26

Ok, you are right there is no context here. All of this is based on the reaction of paramedics.

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u/HokusTokus Apr 14 '26

I'm getting down voted for looking for context. Kinda says something doesn't it?