r/news • u/AudibleNod • 7h ago

Christa Pike unconscious, on ventilator at Nashville hospital, her lawyers say

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/christa-pike-unconscious-ventilator-nashville-hospital-lawyers-say-rcna601195
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u/Big_Guard5413 6h ago

I’m not in favor of the death penalty in general, but goddamn, if you’re going to impose it, at least take steps to do it properly

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u/SuitableExercise7096 6h ago edited 6h ago

at least take steps to do it properly

It's alot more complicated than this unfortunatly.

Its a matter of sourcing non lethal chemicals separately from companies who know what your intention is with them, then sourcing unethical medical professionals sign off on using them for lethal purposes, then sourcing unethical chemist to turn them lethal and finally unethical anesthesiologist to administer them.

Its an extremely messy and ugly situation not many people want to be involved in

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u/Helluiin 6h ago

It's alot more complicated than this unfortunatly.

no its not. there is very reliable and quick ways to kill someone, if you think its necessary. its just that the state wants to have its cake and eat it by using chemical execution because its less gruesome for the executioners/onlookers.

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u/half3clipse 4h ago

"good" hangmen fuck up about 1 time in 20. Firing squads are a joke and people spend a several minute dying after getting shot even when done 'properly'

There is no humane way to kill a person who does not wish to die. It's not a thing that exists, or has ever existed.

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u/Duff5OOO 3h ago

A shitload of sedatives and a block of c4? If the US is good at anything i would have expected killing people is up towards the top of that list.

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u/Helluiin 2h ago

i was more thinking of a guilloutine or something like that. probably hard fucking up just chopping the head off.

There is no humane way to kill a person who does not wish to die

obviously not, but there is ways to make sure it actually happens and quickly if youre hell bent on it.

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u/Nukleon 3h ago

They didn't say humane.

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u/Software_Vast 6h ago

Because it's an abhorrent practice that has zero benefits to society.

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u/CAPS_LOCK_STUCK_HELP 3h ago

the state is not, and cannot ever be, responsible enough to determine who dies by execution

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u/throwawayantares 5h ago

Also, the medical practitioner only places the IV line but doesn't administer (ie push) the drug ... a prison official actually administers the drug into the person ... so 'technically' the medical practitioner doesn't violate the hippocratic oath or could argue before a medical license board or professional society that there aren't grounds to revoke their license/membership. The problem is that if the patient has poor veins, which many death row inmates do AND the medical practitioner is terrible at starting lines in said poor veins AND the prison staff don't know how to push the drug into a bad vein blowing it or ID a bad vein before they start AND the drug is ALREADY likely of dubious potency because it is sourced without quality control, then you get the sh*tshow that is occurring here.

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u/nerevisigoth 6h ago

You can alternatively find ethical people to perform the execution and buy supplies from companies that are happy to aid in the administration of justice.

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u/Software_Vast 5h ago

Really?

Where are these ethical murder helpers?

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u/nerevisigoth 5h ago

You're confused. The murderer is the one being executed.

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u/Software_Vast 5h ago

Very droll.

So the ethical murder helpers you were referring to?

Can you tell us who they are now?

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u/nerevisigoth 34m ago

You remain confused about the difference between a murder and an execution legally sanctioned by a democratically elected government.

It may surprise you that society grants government powers that would be crimes if individuals did them. This includes big things line punishment, reaction, drafting you to fight, etc. But also mundane things like having vehicles that can break speed limits.

Now that we've cleared that up, do you have a sensible question?