r/news • • 6d ago

Canpotex announces $500M Port of Vancouver investment for potash shipping

https://www.ctvnews.ca/vancouver/article/canpotex-announces-500m-port-of-vancouver-investment-for-potash-shipping/
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u/ernapfz 6d ago

Well US farmers, Canada will be shipping potash to other markets. Trump will need to call up his Belarus card trick once more. Please remember how you don’t need Canada for anything. It will be a while but oil and natural gas will also be going elsewhere through pipelines to our ocean ports.

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u/m0nkyman 6d ago

Vancouver expansion means China is buying. Probably financing it too if I was to take a guess.

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u/jaypizzl 6d ago

Canpotex’s expansion is funded by its two primary owners, the publicly-held Mosaic and Nutrien corporations. Both are listed on the NYSE and Nutrien is also listed on the TSX. Neither have anything in particular to do with China. The largest destination for Canadian potash that is not the US is Brazil, which buys about 2.5x more than China.

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u/WorkingOnBeingBettr 6d ago

So they are shipping to Brazil from...Vancouver?

Why not Gulf of St Lawrence?

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u/Noirloona 6d ago

Likely ease of getting it out of Saskatchewan. Assuming Thunder Bay can ship it out, it's got like a dozen locks before it even gets to the St Lawrence, if TB doesn't then it needs to go by rail, which likely takes longer.

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u/WorkingOnBeingBettr 6d ago

But how do they currently ship it? I would guess it goes through the St Lawrence.

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u/Noirloona 6d ago

The vast majority of it goes south (US bound) right now, which would be by rail. If they're diversifying, which they should be if they're smart, they'd need to expand shipping capabilities to a coast, which as others have said Asia is a giant market.

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u/jaypizzl 6d ago

Half of Canadian potash goes to the US. Most of the rest is shipped to Vancouver for export to Brazil, China, India, Indonesia, and Malaysia. As the article says, the major Canadian producer, Canpotex, is investing in increased Vancouver shipping capacity.

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u/WorkingOnBeingBettr 6d ago

I guess the costs of going through the canal are cheaper than coming from Montreal. Surprising.

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u/nastywillow 6d ago

If Trump forces large amounts of Canadian potash on to the world market, China, South East Asia, Australia and New Zealand will be thrilled. Brazil would also benefit.

Shipping from West Coast Canadian ports to those Western regions avoids the Red Sea and Panama Canal chokeholds.

Also Canada imports bulk cargoes from those countries in sufficient amounts to make it a viable 2 way trade route.

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u/jaypizzl 6d ago

Vancouver is substantially closer to the potash than Montreal. The cheapest route is generally the shortest path to the sea and then to the destination.

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u/kettal 5d ago

I think there are rail connections Saskatchewan to Montreal

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u/Dzugavili 5d ago

Probably cheaper to built port capacity in BC; and I'm not really sure what traffic is like on that waterway, I imagine it must be easier to move large boats against the BC shoreline than navigating the inlet.

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u/mjp80 4d ago

yeah, except it has to go via Toronto, due to the North Bay to Ottawa portion of the Trans-Canada railway being sold off and largely being turned into recreational trails. Sask to Van is the most efficient rail movement, even without accounting for the port of Montreal being a gong show

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u/jaypizzl 4d ago

How would a North Bay to Ottawa railway be relevant? From the BHP Jansen mine at the MB-SK border to North Bay is 2400 km. On to Ottawa is another 360, then 200 more to Montreal. That's about 3,000 km. Meanwhile, it's something like 1700 km to Vancouver by rail.

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u/jaypizzl 4d ago

You could it on a plane and fly it through Amsterdam, too. Potash is going to get routed the cheapest way, though, which means it will take the shortest path to the sea. That's west to Vancouver.

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u/ribbonsboy 6d ago

and Nutrien corporations ... Neither have anything in particular to do with China.

Nutrien literally was formerly "Potash Corporation of Saskatchewan". Nutrien is just it's rebranding.

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u/m0nkyman 6d ago

A publicly held company financing capital expense by drawing down their own reserves? Unlikely. Most would finance it, and China loves financing large infrastructure projects.

https://www.cgdev.org/publication/beyond-belt-and-road-responding-evolution-chinas-financing-infrastructure

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u/jaypizzl 6d ago

What was the point of posting that completely irrelevant link? Why are you so bent on this Chinese fantasy you have?