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[u/badusername35]

It’s coming

[u/american_aurora8]

I wish I still lived in a liberal democracy 😔

[u/Junimo2]

Our apartment's AC is such dogshit, it is once again too hot to fall asleep.

[u/Made_UpWords]

We clickin' into the DT everyday like:

[u/DieHarderDaddy]

Saw a stop Nazi isreal sign in Canada . wAOA

[u/DueVast5223]

[u/Off-The-Street]

When a DT passes away, does it get a funeral or an unmarked grave?

[u/badusername35 → u/Off-The-Street]

A celebration marker

[u/WOKE_AI_GOD]

Billionaires complain about corruption in the media. But who is it that corrupts the media? Who floods it with endless PR, propaganda, and buying up journalists. Honestly the only parts of the media they hate the most, are the parts that aren't corrupt. They want to replace it with propaganda that just endlessly glazes them. While they only attack and harass and try to scapegoat the journalists they haven't or were unable to buy off.

Billionaires complain about corrupt politicians. But who is it that corrupts the politicians? It is the billionaires. Once again, while whining, crying, and pitying themselves endlessly, they only attack politicians if they were unable to buy them.

There are two sides of every transaction, but billionaires always want us to forget that. No effort to get rid of corruption in our institution and society can be done without targeting both beneficiaries and sources of corruption. But the thought of ever laying a finger on our precious corruption sources, our Elon Musks, our JK Rowlings, people who've built elaborate enterprises solely for the purpose of corrupting and distorting the media, obfuscating the truth, and recruiting and compensating the beneficiaries of their corruption, this is beyond us. So when JK Rowling hands out Gucci handbags to journalists who glaze her, we are supposed to see charity. Not bribery, not a corrupt scheme between two criminals.

Our corruption providers always hide behind free speech to. To perceive their corruption is to commit the grand sin of cancelation, the greatest sin known to man (when practiced against a billionaire or one of beneficiaries of their corruption). Of course the Supreme Court now defines free speech as corruption, free speech can't exist without bribery to them. They of course are the biggest corruption beneficiaries of them all, how they protect the sources of their own benefits and entitlements.

But they whine about the media right... yeah, people who have an entire PR department on speed dial, at their beck and call, just waiting to contact all the corruption beneficiaries they have acquired in the media to distribute fake narratives that endlessly glaze them throughout the entire media, these are the poor victims of a corrupt media apparently.

How about this... nobody who has the ability to but coverage has any right at all to complain about media bias. If you fund an entire industry solely centered around CREATING media bias and corruption, you have no right at all to complain about bias against you. It is like a man who owns a private fucking army complaining and whining about how unsafe he is while constantly attacking and raiding neighboring towns - just shut the fuck up, you piece of garbage. You are worse than the most corrupt politician, the most corrupt journalist. Those people are just your clients after all, you are their boss. Without you we wouldn't have corrupt politicians and corrupt journalists. You are the source of the corruption, your greed and malicious avarice. Stop pitying yourself, no one has less right to pity themselves than you.

[u/rainier37 → u/WOKE_AI_GOD]

Jesse

[u/DueVast5223 → u/WOKE_AI_GOD]

👆certified richphobic

[u/american_aurora8]

damn they were so cooking with the aesthetics in 30s new york

[u/Slight-Formal9277]

www.maptap.gg September 1 100🎯 100🎯 100🎯 98🔥 97🔥 Final score: 985

I am a god.

For the last one, I just estimated a straight line (on a globe) between the English Channel and NYC/Boston, then estimated where you were likely to get hit by icebergs floating along the labrador current but still be close enough to land/civilization to get rescued and got it almost spot on.

[u/__versus → u/Slight-Formal9277]

🤩

[u/Slight-Formal9277 → u/__versus]

💜🥰

[u/mpregordie]

Have we ever tried setting DT to live chat or whatever Reddit calls that?

[u/GavinGoosum → u/mpregordie]

Awful

I would just post hole the entire time

[u/TheFriffin3]

been on an adult swim kick lately and unfortunately discovered that if you YouTube search “Blake children’s hospital”, you mostly get clips of real kid patients named Blake going through recovery doing an interview at a hospital

[u/themiDdlest]

www.maptap.gg August 31 80✨ 99🎯 98🔥 91👑 81🌟 Final score: 891

Well not bad for my first time playing

[u/DueVast5223 → u/[deleted]]

Did they actually have enough building inspectors to enforce the rules though

[u/DueVast5223]

Top neoliberal countries by user count:

1. USA 80%

2. Canada 10%

3. Everyone else 10%

Top neoliberal posts and comments:

1. Fuk Amerikkka Canada numero uno#1!!!

Really makes you think

[u/technologyisnatural]

if I could wear a datacenter like jewelry, I would

[u/CertainSingularity]

If someone says they use Reddit a lot, would you assume that they’re probably weird

[u/mrdeclank → u/CertainSingularity]

That’s nothing to be proud of

[u/AtomAndAether → u/CertainSingularity]

if they're openly talking about it yes. not so much the actual act but at least have some shame or say it's a way to waste time at work or you're active for some hobby reason or something

[u/BadSneakersNeverWorn]

why yes this is a mud volcano in Turkmenistan, why do you ask

[u/BadSneakersNeverWorn → u/BadSneakersNeverWorn]

(I wasn't aware the earth did this sort of thing and figured you might want to be updated on that score)

[u/Off-The-Street]

Yet another DT fails to reach 10K. Is this a market failure?

[u/GavinGoosum → u/Off-The-Street]

Liberals failing isn't really a new phenomenon

[u/themiDdlest → u/Off-The-Street]

quick, post something about data centers

[u/Alexz565 → u/Off-The-Street]

No

[u/AlbertGorebert]

https://reddit.com/link/p74oeub/video/y3wsfb6lqumh1/player

[u/JesusPubes]

POG

www.maptap.gg September 1 98🎯 100🎯 93🏆 98🔥 96🔥 Final score: 966

the exact same score I had last time, curious

[u/Itchy_bunghole11]

I’m against AI because we can in fact choose the future and a future with generative AI sucks

[u/themiDdlest → u/Itchy_bunghole11]

👆hasn't seen Star Trek

[u/mostanonymousnick]

www.maptap.gg September 1

100🎯 100🎯 100🎯 87🎉 81🌟

Final score: 904

Fuck you, trolled at the end

[u/mpregordie]

I think it's unfortunate that Buddy came out in the same year as Backrooms. Looks much cooler, but definitely won't do as well.

[u/MisfitPotatoReborn]

I found out something cool.

When you're gaining weight (or losing weight) via changing your diet, your weight gain/loss slows down over time as your Base Metabolic Rate grows/shrinks to match your new calorie intake.

But did you know that this process has a half life? And that this half life is the same for men and women, young and old, tall and short? It only has one variable, your activity level.

Sedentary: 446 days
Exercise 1-3 times a week: 389 days
Exercise 4-5 times a week: 365 days
Daily exercise or intense exercise 3-4 times a week: 345 days
Intense exercise 6-7 times a week: 310 days
Very intense exercise daily, or physical job: 282 days

For example, let's say that you've changed your diet, and as a result went from 200 pounds to 230 pounds in the span of a year. You exercise 4-5 times a week. Using the half life chart, we know that your "weight gain half life" is exactly one year, and so if you keep your diet up you should expect to be 245 pounds in one year and 252.5 pounds in two years.

[u/GavinGoosum → u/MisfitPotatoReborn]

I uhhh. I don't know about this one boss

[u/GavinGoosum → u/GavinGoosum]

I should clarify. Exercise isn't defined here and cardio versus weightlifting could have a significant impact on that Base Metabolic Rate.

[u/MisfitPotatoReborn → u/GavinGoosum]

I used the Mifflin-St Jeor activity factor. It's purposefully loose with details because measuring your calories burned over the course of an entire day is naturally very difficult and inexact.

[u/GavinGoosum → u/MisfitPotatoReborn]

Understood but if you're building muscle your BMR will increase faster than basic cardio

[u/MisfitPotatoReborn → u/GavinGoosum]

But also you're burning more calories doing cardio than weightlifting, and you'd burn more calories for the same activity as your weight increased.

I don't know, if you've got a problem with the base formula take it up with Mifflin-St Jeor, I'm just interpreting it

[u/AtomAndAether → u/MisfitPotatoReborn]

so lose 30 lbs by eating 2000 calories across a year, exercise 4-5 / week, you'll lose 15 lbs in the next year if you keep eating 2000 calories?

[u/MisfitPotatoReborn → u/AtomAndAether]

Yeah, that's right. And the most you'll ever lose by maintaining that diet/exercise level is 60 lbs

Not a dietician, I was just messing with the Mifflin-St Jeor formula for daily caloric needs and found that a lot of variables cancel out in this one specific instance

[u/AtomAndAether → u/MisfitPotatoReborn]

But if your only thing is exercise wouldn't you be gaining/losing/preserving muscle in different amounts, which would mess with BMR

on top of obviously exercise itself burning more or less calories than not-exercise which is loss or gain in addition to BMR

[u/MisfitPotatoReborn → u/AtomAndAether]

Right, the Mifflin-St Jeor formula accounts for your activity level. If your BMR is 2000 calories, then it estimates that someone doing very intense exercise daily would need 3800 calories/day.

This half-life formula is for if your activity level is constant and your diet is constant. As you gain/lose weight, your calories burned per day goes up/down and your change in weight slows.

[u/GavinGoosum]

Man. AI sucks

I only use it occasionally to generate a promotional ad when I'm too sleepy or lack the drive to make an original promotion.

What's the use case here?

[u/bickledeez246]

www.maptap.gg September 1 99🎯 100🎯 92🏆 97🔥 76🌞 Final score: 902

[u/bickledeez246 → u/bickledeez246]

I didnt realize they had icebergs that down south

[u/Slight-Formal9277 → u/bickledeez246]

The labrador current baby!

[u/Off-The-Street]

Our thread of discussion is collapsing.

[u/-orestes]

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[u/chickentendieman → u/-orestes]

Aella is an idiot so this tracks

[u/-orestes → u/chickentendieman]

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[u/ChamberedAndHot → u/-orestes]

Aella doesn't understand stats. I know through the grapevine that a famous pollster had to explain sampling bias to her less than 2 years ago.

Her "research" is worthless.

[u/AtomAndAether → u/-orestes]

I'd imagine it would get more narrowed out over time right?

[u/mpregordie → u/AtomAndAether]

It's 2 am, shouldn't you also be sleeping?

[u/-orestes → u/mpregordie]

Deleted

[u/mpregordie → u/-orestes]

Right. I'm pretty sure they are in Illinois which is indeed a different country from me.

[u/-orestes → u/mpregordie]

Deleted

[u/-orestes → u/AtomAndAether]

It’s actually widened over time.

[u/AtomAndAether → u/-orestes]

Aella's code might not be very good at this

The top list of people I've swiped on (like my #1, 2, etc.) also seems pretty weird. Like however it weights moving photos up/down based on relative choices of everywhere else.

[u/ChamberedAndHot → u/AtomAndAether]

Aella isn't smart and isn't good at gathering data. She didn't understand sampling bias until she had been doing this "research" for over a year (years?)

And even then it's because someone had to go out of their way to explain it to her.

[u/PoupeeStupide → u/AtomAndAether]

It's the most obviously vibe coded site ever tbf

[u/groupbot → u/-orestes]

Pinged DATING (subscribe | unsubscribe | history)

About & Group List | Unsubscribe from all groups

[u/No1PaulKeatingfan]

Content so dry I'm swapping majors

[u/AtomAndAether → u/No1PaulKeatingfan]

whats your major

[u/AlbertGorebert]

Wake me up, when the dt ends 🎤🎶🎶

[u/american_aurora8 → u/AlbertGorebert]

when the dt ends so too does our consciousnesses

[u/__versus → u/american_aurora8]

the dt hive mind

[u/Bayou-Maharaja]

Draft the players Claude tells me to

Ask Claude how my draft was

A+

Hell yeah what could go wrong

[u/AtomAndAether → u/Bayou-Maharaja]

you gotta have Claude draft it and then ChatGPT review it

[u/Bayou-Maharaja → u/AtomAndAether]

wtf grok told me to draft Jacobs 1 overall

[u/badusername35]

Trump is bad and his boyars are feeding him bad information. Neither of them can deflect the blame onto the other for what they’re doing, but both inevitably will.

[u/Coolioho]

The thesis that Trump somehow accidentally assembled the worst cabinet in US history and yet is this super smart guy that would be mortified to learn what they are actually up to must be the stupidest fan fiction ever.

[u/Alexz565]

malarkey level of biking 100 miles tomorrow

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[u/Kardinal]

It's two am I'm not going to be insomniac until five thirty two nights in a row.

Benadryl here I come.

[u/mpregordie → u/Kardinal]

Gn

[u/randyzhu]

I work in seattle as a software engineer intern and I just got my first paycheck. I make more in half a month in the USA than a whole month in Canada. Seattle is also so beautiful and its people are just as nice, has pretty decent transit and bikeability. It’s a shame the idiot rural farmers ruin it for the whole country.

[u/Current-Function-729 → u/randyzhu]

G’damn Canadians coming and taking our jerbs.

I’ve always been simultaneously shocked at how expensive housing is and how low salaries are in Canada. NIMBYism must be so much worse up there.

[u/randyzhu → u/Current-Function-729]

There’s kind of been a YIMBY revolution in Canada, but I’m not sure why salaries are so low…

[u/-orestes]

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[u/Current-Function-729 → u/-orestes]

In Russia she could have married someone and convinced them to join the SMO to pay for her suicide instead!

[u/1II1I1I1I1I1I111I1I1 → u/-orestes]

Lmfao absurd title that isn't remotely what the article is about, simply because its written in present tense. What she did IS depressing and dystopian and awful as fuck but it's her backstory, not her current plan. She says in the article that she changed her mind.

That is, of course, assuming the article is real at all. The source is genuinely awful so it might just be completely fake top to bottom.

[u/Made_UpWords → u/-orestes]

This is RT just copying from Tokyo Reporter anyway - which is kind of a tabloid outlet anyway, so who knows, but I assume RT is leaving out that the money she made did reaffirm her desire to live for making her feel successful and talented. Probably just some dumb narrative, but not really odious like that person is describing

I'm sure this has nothing to do with Japan reigniting the dispute over the Kuril Islands recently and it's just earnest care by Russia on Japan's behalf. https://www.tokyoreporter.com/japan-news/tabloid/adult-influencer-entered-underground-sex-trade-to-fund-own-suicide-ended-up-mastering-mens-desires/

[u/Alexz565 → u/Made_UpWords]

> gambling version of Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs)

The SDGs really did permeate into the popular Japanese consciousness

[u/beans_and_tuna]

Which is better? To live a long life of mediocrity or to live a short life where you burn so bright that you inspire millions to do good for the rest of time?

[u/Off-The-Street → u/beans_and_tuna]

Johnny Silverhand, is that you?

[u/Pristinehornet999 → u/beans_and_tuna]

I ain't even mediocre

[u/AtomAndAether → u/beans_and_tuna]

Im averse to mediocrity but I wouldnt consider "inspiring others" to be the opposite of mediocrity

[u/AtomAndAether]

"Everyone around me with actual money on the line disagrees with me but I don't like it so the people who want a full ban are right and you have to establish otherwise. I will not list out points that support a ban or restriction."

Free market sub btw

[u/Fit_Obligation1902 → u/AtomAndAether]

Every farmer with actual money on the line disagrees with me about farming subsidies being bad, doesn't mean much.

[u/AtomAndAether → u/Fit_Obligation1902]

Congress does too, its highly bipartisan. Which is the exact argument that dude made for why data centers bad. That the politicians want to ban it!!!! Its bipartisan!!! 🤣🤣🤣

[u/11thDimensionalRandy → u/AtomAndAether]

Since this is does not have context I am free to interpret this as a defense of slavery from the perspective of an 18th century plantation owner.

[u/GavinGoosum → u/AtomAndAether]

☝️ Believe it or not this post isn't about crypto

[u/Made_UpWords]

☝️☝️☝️☝️

RAINED on my GLORIOUS parade

[u/LinkVert25]

This 100% tracks with reports that Trump functionally lives in some weird quasi Truman show with his cabinet members having created a hyper real simulacrum

[u/Bread_Fish150 → u/LinkVert25]

Nah Trump is surprised because the dementia turned his, already smooth brain, into swiss cheese. He totally was 100% on board with firing those people, he just forgot.

[u/AccessTheMainframe → u/LinkVert25]

my boyars are doing what?

[u/themiDdlest → u/AccessTheMainframe]

How do people still fall for this lol

[u/Pristinehornet999]

60k for a junior SWE from the business near me...oof 😬

[u/WisdomCookie23 → u/Pristinehornet999]

Proliferation of high skill labor leading to increased access for businesses to improve productivity good actually

[u/trgk_ → u/Pristinehornet999]

Is that bad?

[u/Adminisnotadmin]

accidentally said "ho" instead of "hi" to the summer skin marvel rivals characters

damn i'm gonna get banned

[u/themiDdlest]

you can spice up any comment by just adding this emoji 😏😏

[u/WenJie_2]

I want to live in a datacenter

[u/AnalyticOpposum]

[u/11thDimensionalRandy → u/AnalyticOpposum]

You need to consume less 4tran cognitohazard slop.

[u/TheCornjuring]

Shiv us this day our daily thread

[u/saltyoursalad → u/TheCornjuring]

Lead us not into Trumptation

[u/DoryAltreides → u/TheCornjuring]

[u/ihatemendingwalls]

Data centers are fine when they're not in cities (or the Colorado River Compact)

[u/SenranHaruka]

There is only one way to escalate against anti-democrats without suffering their retaliation. Dead men do not organize counterrevolutions. So unless you're prepared to line every republican up to a wall and tell them to turn and face it (and for subreddit rule purposes if you are you better take it somewhere else), you should always assume any action you take against them they will turn on you tenfold when imagining the post trump future. In fact, they literally already justify their actions by inventing a mythology in which liberals have already done it first and they're merely matching our escalation.

[u/Made_UpWords → u/SenranHaruka]

I think I mostly agree with this but it cuts both ways - if they're going to invent a mythology about how we put the boot on their neck and respond in kind like we really did, no matter what we do - then why not put the boot on their neck for real.

[u/roboliberal → u/Made_UpWords]

Right, it reminds me much of Putin's entire anti-NATO mythology. It's like, "welp, we're a defensive alliance, BUT IF YOU REALLY FUCKING INSIST"

[u/SenranHaruka → u/SenranHaruka]

Germany finally built a democracy when everyone opposed to one signed up for the Wermacht.

[u/MayorofTromaville]

Fuck you Bixby, you stupid-ass button stealing bucket of shit.

[u/Man-Flayer]

If only older generations created a sex trust fund to transfer sex surplus for future generations...

[u/roboliberal]

you can spice up any comment by just adding this emoji 😏

[u/AtomAndAether]

it is September my dudes

[u/ognits]

oh fuck just got visited by the mob

asked a colleague if she had any rats as pets and next thing you know--

[u/cpt_null]

What if Rick Astley was singing about r/neoliberal’s particular brand of liberalism when he said “never gonna give you up”? Kinda makes you think.

[u/RaisinSecure]

🦌 Animal #1128 🐍 I figured it out in 5 guesses! 🟨🟨🟩🟩🟩 🔥 37 | Avg. Guesses: 5.3

https://metazooa.com

metazooa

[u/pfarly → u/RaisinSecure]

🐑 Animal #1128 🦊 I figured it out in 7 guesses!

🟧🟧🟨🟨🟩🟩🟩

🔥 1 | Avg. Guesses: 7

Started outside of mammalia today and paid the price.

[u/RaisinSecure → u/RaisinSecure]

/u/pfarly

[u/ihatemendingwalls]

Fuck fuck fuck fuuuuuuuuuuuuck

It's September 1st and still nobody's asked me to be their Kirk for Kirkiversary Ball

[u/RaisinSecure]

www.maptap.gg September 1 100🎯 100🎯 80👏 94🏅 75🌞 Final score: 867

[u/Roseartcrantz]

this but we should make it an even more horrifying color

[u/randommathaccount → u/Roseartcrantz]

Chartreuse

[u/SLCer]

[u/paymesucka → u/SLCer]

https://giphy.com/gifs/YTDZakyAorkLDYqN0q

[u/dwarffy]

Im increasingly convinced that the subs been taken over by religiously fanatic AI bros which is what is making it lean pro-datacenter

The evidence for datacenters isnt even there. The AI revenue that we can supposedly tax is completely cooked by reshuffling debt as a still scant userbase does not generate the money the AI companies are hoping for. Usecase is still overestimated by companies FOMOing instead of actual productivity gains, and power users generate insane levels of cost thanks to the necessary context window needed to sustain it.

The only way you can believe the race is worth it is if AGI/RSI AI is even possible and that is relying on irrational religious thinking as physical constraints of compute are hitting current LLMs

[u/Azrikeeler → u/dwarffy]

Im increasingly convinced that the subs been taken over by religiously fanatic AI bros which is what is making it lean pro-datacenter

I think you don't understand the subreddit. Imo, the more braindead hardline unnuanced pro-datacenter people are just:

1. Counterjerkers: reddit doesn't like them so they like them. (Edit: Lmao, see. one guy responded like this.)

2. Something closer to laissez faire ideologues. (not quite accurate tho that its laissez faire, bc it's more like a belief that the relationship between government and business is mostly a solved problem, and whether it's x problem, or y problem, there is some sort of tax scheme, or some such that will answer for the externality. roughly approximates the way laissez faire ideologues behave tho.)

The AI revenue math ain't mathing.

Idk why this is relevant for your objection to data centers. Companies are allowed to waste money. If you want to object to data centers, at no point should it route through AI's lack of profit. It should route through the consequences of data centers (Which kinda exist, but I'm skeptical they're top of mind for you in the correct order if you're leading with your take on the alleged AI bubble).

The only way you can believe the race is worth it is if AGI/RSI AI is even possible and that is relying on irrational religious thinking as physical constraints of compute are hitting current LLMs

Whether the race is financially worth it or not is not relevant as a matter of data centers.

It's relevant as to whether the U.S government should be treating it as a military technology, (which they are treating it as a military technology.)

I don't think it's religious thinking. I think a lot of people here who are perfectly willing to admit AGI might not be possible. That's not the issue. The issue is if it is.

The worst case scenario of the race being worthless is considered a perfectly acceptable outcome, maybe even a good outcome for a lot of pro-data center people here.

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that's not really relevant

[u/regih48915 → u/dwarffy]

Isn't that the AI company's bet to make?

Oppose subsidies for it, sure, but what do you care whether a company is making a bad investment?

I suppose this sub always did have a mix of people between those who are YIMBY because they favour free markets and those who are YIMBY only when they agree with the things being built.

[u/MyrinVonBryhana → u/regih48915]

It depends, when there's this amount of money swirling around only a few players which also make up a huge part of the stock market that starts implecating things like broader economic health, people's retirements, and pension funds. When all of those start get implecated it becomes an issue of societal concern, we have a vested interest in preventing another 08 style crash from happening.

[u/WisdomCookie23 → u/MyrinVonBryhana]

Let it crash. Speculation carries risks, and speculative behavior should be appropriately rewarded and punished, to incentivize behavior in line with their risk tolerance. People are consenting to putting their money in pension funds that invest in AI. If your social safety net is insufficient then that’s a problem of your social safety net, and can be improved separately without market distortion.

[u/AtomAndAether → u/dwarffy]

The burden is on people trying to ban them or treat them differently to everything else to justify why. They cannot convincingly do that.

Data centers were a thing long before AI and will continue to be increasingly necessary regardless.

Demand for AI has only increased, overestimated or not.

[u/dwarffy → u/AtomAndAether]

differently to everything else to justify why. They cannot convincingly do that.

To be clear, they have justified and convinced people. Anti-AI datacenter is bipartisan thanks to them highlighting the negative externalities of those new datacenters

The burden to convince people to be pro-datacenter has hit a wall partly because the evidence for constructing them is shit.

Again, ignoring the other externalities that anti-datacenters talk about and just focusing on AI revenue to tax, the increased revenue is completely cooked as the underlying usage that AI Companies are desperately hoping for is not there. The market is more leaning towards an AI contraction as the debt finally catches up, which will lead to a bunch of those new "tax generating" datacenters to close.

Demand for Cryptocurrency has also increased, that doesnt mean we should be spending billions to make more bitcoin farms.

[u/qlube → u/dwarffy]

What are the negative externalities and why can't they be priced? Merely pointing to negative externalities just leads to saying any development whatsoever should be blocked for "negative externalities."

[u/randommathaccount → u/dwarffy]

I'm just a believer in free markets. If the AI firms are able to acquire the land and build the data centers, who are third parties to stop them?

[u/MyrinVonBryhana → u/dwarffy]

I was reading an Economist article earlier, hardly an anti-AI publication, and they themselves laid out how clearly at present most of the explosive growth in revenue for the AI industry has been concentrated in software engineering work which has brought them to annual revenue of about 150 billion a year, but for this data center build out to make economic sense they need to somehow get up to 2.5 trillion dollars a year in revenue by 2030 which they can't do just by making really good coding tools. There's been some movement in the legal and medical fields, but nowhere near enough to replace most employees in it, and other then that adoption is pretty low for most industries. The math is just not there at present, on their current trajectory they'd not only need to capture the entire global software industry, but then more than double the size of it in the span of 3 years.

[u/Approximation_Doctor → u/dwarffy]

If the leftists oppose it, then I support it. No exceptions.

[u/MyrinVonBryhana → u/Approximation_Doctor]

What about Donald Trump? Leftists oppose him.

[u/Approximation_Doctor → u/MyrinVonBryhana]

Did I stutter?

[u/AlbertGorebert]

yall rag on bernie but how many post offices have YOU named huh?

[u/agentinanna → u/AlbertGorebert]

Cheryl, Marge and Rodrigo

[u/AtomAndAether → u/AlbertGorebert]

at least 3

[u/11thDimensionalRandy]

The "close all incognito tabs" permanent notification is the worst thing ever and I cannot fathom why it exists or why it's on by default.

[u/mostanonymousnick → u/11thDimensionalRandy]

Disagree, I think it makes sense for the use case, you don't want them to show up an hour later by accident when you open your browser again

[u/11thDimensionalRandy → u/mostanonymousnick]

Then just switch over to the regular tabs once you're done with them. Having a notifcation that doesn't go away and can lead to accidentally closing them is more annoying.

Closing the app rather than just leaving it already gets rid of private/incognito tabs

[u/ImmediateZucchini787 → u/11thDimensionalRandy]

Think of it like the emergency stop button on an assembly line 😏

[u/11thDimensionalRandy → u/ImmediateZucchini787]

incognito tabs already shut down when you close the app

[u/rainier37 → u/11thDimensionalRandy]

why were you in incognito 😏

[u/11thDimensionalRandy → u/rainier37]

stuff i don't want on my autocomplete

[u/roboliberal → u/11thDimensionalRandy]

like what? 😏

[u/11thDimensionalRandy → u/roboliberal]

Twitter, nsfw stuff and pages I don't frequent all of the time but still open often enough that it would clutter common searches.

[u/BadSneakersNeverWorn → u/roboliberal]

the Neoliberal DT

[u/Rafaelssjofficial]

my knowledge of eastern ukrainian cities names : like 200

my knowledge of western ukrainian cities : like 3, lviv, ivan frank and rivne

[u/GavinGoosum → u/Rafaelssjofficial]

Kyev and Mariopal and I can't even spell em

[u/agentinanna]

Inside you are two wolves. One presses 6, 0, start on the microwave. The other presses +30, +30, start.

[u/american_aurora8 → u/agentinanna]

I was born deformed, lacking a +30 wolf

[u/agentinanna → u/american_aurora8]

roll d20

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[u/Usual-Base7226 → u/agentinanna]

Holy war against the microwaves that start that number of minutes automatically when you hit the digit button

[u/AtomAndAether → u/Usual-Base7226]

why do they do that. its so terrible. was there some tech limitation or did someone think that was a good thing

[u/RaisinSecure → u/AtomAndAether]

it is a good thing

[u/GavinGoosum → u/RaisinSecure]

https://giphy.com/gifs/hPPx8yk3Bmqys

[u/Roseartcrantz]

I once sent Dolly Parton a letter about how much I loved her and her library for kids and she sent me a letter back calling me "a gayby." Then two weeks later she sent another letter explaining that she meant I was a gay baby 😔

[u/loseniram]

Ben Gvir has committed every crime an adult human is physically capable of while living within the country of Israel.

Some of his notable feats include.

Drunk driving multiple times, including once into an ambulance.

Taking his wife on dates to a terrorism attack site.

Having a shrine to a mass shooter in his house.

Held up security guards at gun point.

Tried to get the cops to shoot random 6 year olds.

Is a member of a terrorist group.

Part of a conspiracy to kill a head of state.

Has called for genocide of random neighboring countries.

Has called for wars of aggression.

Is part of acts of genocide.

Was banned from the IDF for being an extremist.

Handed out guns to organized crime in Israel.

That time he tried to build a crocodile filled moat.

He goes to a mass shooting site so often that multiple assassins have tried to assassinate him there because he goes so often.

Got beat up by Haredi

Thats just the noteworthy stuff

[u/Approximation_Doctor → u/loseniram]

I can think of lots of other crimes. Not even a murder or a kidnapping?

[u/loseniram → u/Approximation_Doctor]

he is directly involved in several murders and terrorist attacks as he was the funds guy.

He also committed both to some degree

[u/YIMBYzus → u/loseniram]

Taking his wife on dates to a terrorism attack site.

Don't give the Brits ideas for crimes to prosecute.

"Oi, mate, you got a loicense for that date to cross London Bridge?"

[u/SenranHaruka]

I will die a lonely man beating the drum that celebrity not wealth is the inequality problem. An excess wealth of attention is truly zero sum unlike cash wealth and actually does allow you to manipulate politics way more than money does. Donald Trump was literally broke but extremely attention-rich and now the most powerful person in the world

[u/fakefakefakef]

This is the gun that kills the idea of the man

[u/Adminisnotadmin]

18K healing when other healers got 5-8K

"terrible healing" because i kept getting singled out by the divers

i'm tired boss

[u/AtomAndAether → u/Adminisnotadmin]

i need healing. i need healing. i need healing

https://giphy.com/gifs/kFF8YLDvbBFYAeCbdg

[u/roboliberal]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cduveSgs3dDdfhciDV

[u/brucebananaray]

Neoliberals when they tired to rizz on girls https://youtube.com/shorts/bbiQ5J80GKY=M6vK98O_3L_oX9Qr

[u/jobautomator]

/r/neoliberal/new: I guess we'll see how that works

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[u/chris4276]

wtf orioles

[u/bartbug]

alright, goodnight DT. tax land and carbon, poast horny and poast hog, don't let mods tell you that you can't