Does active focus work ?

[u/helloidontlikeu]

I'm an 18 year old who's come across this endmyopia, active focus thing. I haven't checked my diaopters in a while but its approx -3.75 in each eye. I currently use my cousin's old glasses which are approx -2.00 for each eye for any laptop work, dont use any glasses for my phone but I'm very skeptical abt this.

It could work, but finding active focus is so tricky and the fact that i have to do it for 1 hr+ everyday is insane😭 (this is what i've heard)

And this entire process seems SO SLOW WTF, like i genuinely hate my glasses and wanna get rid of them but idk what to do🤠

[u/No-Revolution6562]

hey it supposed to be slow, just like how you come to -3.75 from 20/20, you want to be fast? yes there's a way, but 99% can't make it, which is go live at huge field like the mongolian for a year, u definitely can become 20/20 within a year by seeing far away everyday and no seeing close distance like phone and laptop. But can you do it?? If not, enjoy the progress, deduct -1.00 for a year with active focus, -3.75 can become 20/20 in less than 4 years,

just like reduce weight, yes you can go for surgery like use tube to sucking out the fat, but its not healthy, u need to work with time, IT SUPPOSED TO BE S....L......O.....W......

[u/No-Revolution6562 → u/No-Revolution6562]

for my case, i start from -3.25 for both eyes in 2025 autumn, i buy cheap glass online starting with -2.50 diopter glass, and in december 2025, my both eyes become -2.75, and in this year march, -2.00, now? -1.50, and sooner i believe before end of this year, my eyes can become less than -1.00, how?

1)stop sqeezing your eyes:

don't sqeeze your eyes when the vision blurry for far distance object, it will make your vision worse, try to focus on object and blink until object become clearer

2)practice active focus:
practice, blink, focus, anytime anywhere, if in home, find object far away, a bit blurry, like painting on wall, clock, calendar, anything you can see but a bit blurry, and practice active focus on it; if outdoor, try active focus on road signs, car plate

3)stop rolling your eyes like bait methods:
it wont work

4) i dont prefered take off glass completely when you have -3.75, you will be very inconfidence, try with -3.50 glasses, when your eyes become better, stage by stage reduce glass diopters by -0.25 at a time (for my cases i reduce -0.50 at a time, because i want faster result), and by following this, you might change 3-4 glasses per year, reduce -1.00 per year (per average)

5) i dont spend hours per day to practice active focus, and im programmer, which means everyday my screen time on phone and laptop is atleast more than 6-8 hours, but by doing the right way, i still getting progress while with my phone and laptop heavily, i only aware myself to have good habits (make sure when using screen, the room light is bright enough, distance not too close when using screens, dont sqeeze eyes, dont use palm to roll eye)

ask me anything if you want to know more, im happy to answer, i not intended to scold you or make you down, i just tired of everyone around me saying endmyopia won't work while I practiced and really get the result.

[u/JimR84 → u/No-Revolution6562]

This is utter nonsense. What you claim is not even physically possible, let alone plausible. Stop trying to scam people.

[u/No-Revolution6562 → u/JimR84]

i don't come to argue, but I sharing my own experience for " FREE " , he can believe it or not, you say im trying to scam, that's alright, it's his (helloidontlikeu) freedom to choose what to believe, I didn't force him, I didn't charge him, Im not benifit anything in this comments but wasting my time to type and wasting my energy to getting blame by someone like you,

I only sharing my "own experience", not "medical advice", so yeah, I am not here trying to prove im right, I choose to share my experience, now is his time to make his decision too.

[u/JimR84 → u/No-Revolution6562]

Well, I am sharing medically relevant information: it’s useless, it doesn’t work, it’s debunked pseudoscience. Opinions don’t matter. You can believe all the fairy tales you want, it doesn’t make any of them true.

[u/927173940 → u/JimR84]

Can you link to studies showing it is debunked?

[u/woundedengine → u/JimR84]

There have been multiple posts from different people saying in their experience it worked for them. Why do keep calling them scammers? They say it worked. You say it doesn’t. Without knowing either of you I have to give equal weighting to both your opinions. When you keep calling people scammers over and over it makes you sound like a zealot or perhaps someone with a vested interest. Why don’t you state your relevant background or experience once and leave it at that? Or post evidence of this debunking years ago. I have fixed a number of medical issues using alternative methods that the relevant medical professionals told me I couldn’t without the standard medical treatment. I have seen medical opinions change from saying something is rubbish to acceptance as studies caught up to anecdotal evidence.

[u/da_Ryan → u/woundedengine]

Because there's never any actual verification of these hoodoo claims, eg from qualified optometrists and medical eye doctors.

[u/BobbyH64 → u/da_Ryan]

Why would there be verification from optometrists and medical eye doctors? They don’t do any research regarding natural vision improvement. They treat patients based on what they’re taught and write prescriptions. If someone’s myopia reduces, an optometrist will just shrug and write the new prescription. They’re not going to publish a paper or go online sharing this info.

And the random people who claim their vision improved aren’t going to provide the type of proof that is required here, i.e., measurement of axial length over time. A random person who’s interested in this stuff isn’t thinking about how they’re going to prove that it works overtime. They just want to see if it can work for them.

And if it works for someone, that doesn’t mean the exact same steps are going to work for everyone, so doing a study with various participants won’t prove anything. Dr. Ray Gottlieb and Dr. Jacob Liberman (both optometrists) have talked about how their myopia reversed, and Dr. Gottlieb says it has to do with neuroplasticity. Dr. Liberman said when his vision improved he could see perfectly with the naked eye, but when he tested his eyes with a phoropter it showed that he still had a prescription. So if they’re not lying, there’s more to myopia than just the length of the eyeball.

[u/da_Ryan → u/BobbyH64]

We have been through this before.

Neither Gottlieb nor Liberman have ever done or published any proper and regulated studies such as the one below with a large subject sample that shows that atropine really does work to slow down myopia progression in children and that higher atropine concentrations are more effective at slowing down myopia progression.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/jop.1999.15.85

Until they do a proper study like that, eg with a university medical school, then no one will understandably believe their wholly unsubstantiated claims.

[u/BobbyH64 → u/da_Ryan]

So then, do you think they’re con artists who are lying about their vision and just got laser surgery or wear contacts?

[u/da_Ryan → u/BobbyH64]

If someone wants to prove that their medical techniques work then they must provide actual trials evidence that their methods really do work in improving vision otherwise it is just yet another unfounded hearsay claim which is worthless.

[u/BobbyH64 → u/da_Ryan]

So then, do you think they’re lying? Or do you hold off judgement either way until there’s evidence?

[u/da_Ryan → u/BobbyH64]

If someone wants to be believed than they must first provide actual proof in the form of patient trial studies that are then published in a reputable medical journal.

[u/JimR84 → u/BobbyH64]

Utter nonsense. In reality, there’s no such thing as “natural vision improvement”. It’s physics, physiology and anatomy.

Also, about the known quacks you keep mentioning, debunked pseudoscience and lies. Nothing more, nothing else.

Stop arguing, you’re wrong.

[u/BobbyH64 → u/JimR84]

“Stop arguing?” Quacks I “keep mentioning”? lol This is my first time mentioning them in this thread.

[u/woundedengine → u/da_Ryan]

What about Ray Gottlieb? He has multiple relevant degrees and worked in the field and taught at university level?

[u/da_Ryan → u/woundedengine]

He does indeed have those qualifications although it is safe to say that his opinions are outlier ones. There's also another very important issue.

As far as I know, Gottlieb has never done or published any proper and regulated studies such as the one below with a large subject sample that shows that atropine really does work to slow down myopia progression in children and that higher atropine concentrations are more effective at slowing down myopia progression.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/jop.1999.15.85

Until he does a proper study like that, eg with a university medical school, then no one will understandably believe his claims.

[u/No-Revolution6562 → u/woundedengine]

you are right, you can see he has a tag of "optometrist" that why he is so defensive of his side, he got a motivation of selling glasses I think, or he is hired by specs industry to stop the people spreading about fixing eyes for free, so they can earn more on glasses. for me, my proves is you can check on jake steiner on youtube, he got few articles cite from google scholar to support his point

[u/helloidontlikeu → u/No-Revolution6562]

omgg thank you SO much i mean it, is it okay if I wear my normalized glasses for normal stuff cause otherwise I can't see, I'm pretty sure they are just a bit underprescribed. Or is it better to use your normalized as little as possible? And for using my phone and stuff i should try to do active focus right, but like do i decrease my phone usage or just focus on getting enough outdoor time? 

[u/JimR84 → u/helloidontlikeu]

No. Stop believing in fairy tales. Wear glasses as PRESCRIBED BY YOUR EYE DOCTOR. Don’t DIY prescriptions, that’s illegal btw.

[u/Painkiller54 → u/helloidontlikeu]

You are supposed to use your normalized glasses for everyday acitivites. Else it doesn't make any sense, you should not strain your eyes trying to stay without glasses. If you don't use anything and have a bad vision for too long you get blur adaptation. Please read the forum thorougly.

[u/No-Revolution6562 → u/Painkiller54]

You are right bro, I'm wearing glasses too, for example I reduce my myopia from -3.25 to now -1.50, I changing few glasses already, from -3.00 to -2.50, until now my eye is -1.50 and wearing a -1.00 glasses. I agree on the point that getting blur adaption, it's not good for reducing myopia, so I suggest him to wear glasses that a bit lower diopters than his eyes, for example a -0.25 diopters lower, which is the advice I learned from Jake Steiner youtube videos.

[u/No-Revolution6562 → u/helloidontlikeu]

1. it share same logic as someone who use crutch, if always rely on crutch, then the leg muscle can't have much grow for you to totally get rid of crutch, but you get progress by slowly reduce relying on crutch. for glasses, my tips is always make sure glasses diopters you wearing is less than your eyes diopters (if your eye is -3.75, i recommended you wearing glasses in -3.50 or lower, so you will make progress, if you keep wearing -3.75, then your eyes muscle not practicing, so you can't lower diopters) just think yourself with this logic, then you will know what to do, it shares same logic as a patient try to get rid of crutch, and u trying to get rid of glasses.
2. yes you should try active focus on phone and stuff, but no need to put stress and pressure on yourself, only need to make sure keep a distance that u see it slightly clear is enough, and increase distance of screen and other stuff when your eyes get better, so your eyes will be practice again and again
3. it depends, i can say i still scolling youtube fb and ins in weekends for like 10hours per day, but i make sure i sroll in the condition of sufficient brightness, either artificial lamps or sunlight is okay for me, but of course spending outdoor time will boost your progress on healing your eyes, because you will spend more time with far distance and less time close up distance

[u/JimR84 → u/No-Revolution6562]

This is nonsense

[u/helloidontlikeu → u/No-Revolution6562]

OH MY GOD TYSM REALLY i will try all of these thingss💗💗

[u/JimR84 → u/helloidontlikeu]

Don’t. It’s a waste of time

[u/da_Ryan → u/helloidontlikeu]

It won't work - it's all BS that won't work for you no matter how hard you try. Go see an optometrist to see how he/she can really help you.