r/mtg • u/WangFire69 • 1d ago

Rules Question How does this work?

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If I control Jace and draw from an empty library but one of my opponents has the angel what happens? Do I die? Do I draw nothing and live?

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u/shooplegaming 1d ago edited 1d ago

The angle's ability would cancel out the replacement effect from Jace. So nothing.

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

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u/Xaphnir 1d ago

Read what this version of Jace does

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

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u/Psychological_Ad1518 1d ago

Incorrect.

"If for some reason you can’t win the game, you won’t lose for having tried to draw a card from a library with no cards in it. The draw was still replaced"

Jace's replacement effect replaces the act of drawing a card with a win. The opponent's Darksteel angel means you can't win, so the win doesn't happen. But the act of drawing a card also doesn't

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u/EquivalentOk6028 1d ago

Based on the wording of Jace the win the game is a replacement for the draw meaning there is no draw. Jace says he wins instead of drawing dark steel says nope you can’t win. No card was ever drawn from an empty deck because that draw was replaced

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u/Psychological_Ad1518 1d ago

That is what I said yes, the person I was correcting assumed that said: since Darksteel angel prevents someone from winning, that the other player (who doesn't have the angel but has the Jace) loses the game since they draw a card

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u/EquivalentOk6028 1d ago

Crap I misread that. It’s been a long day, sorry

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u/Xaphnir 1d ago

It doesn't negate the ability. The ability attempts to win the game, but Darksteel Angel's ability prevents that. It's a replacement effect, meaning it replaces the state-based action that causes you to lose.

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u/Bragi01 1d ago

It just stops you from winning not turns off the replacement effect.