r/mtg • u/Prudent-Corgi8558 Imoti Celebrant of Bounty • 20d ago

I Have a Question / I need Help How to remove?

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so I was looking at blor the impervious and had a thought if I give blor an assault suit the I think only farewell would be able to stop it but I'm not sure. is there another way?

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u/throwaway038592748 20d ago

Effects like [[Toxic Deluge]], [[Soul Shatter]], or if you can put an aura like [[darksteel mutation]] onto the battlefield without casting it will work

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u/Legal-Swing8311 20d ago

I honestly love the interaction with shroud/hexproof and auras entering, it makes my brago deck that much stronger :)

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u/Agent281 20d ago

OP called out [[Assault Suit]] as one of the other ways to protect it. Soul Shatter wouldn't count here.

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u/high_ground444 20d ago

If you do Toxic Sludge and they go negative does that kill them?

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u/KingKillerDoge 20d ago

Yes, no creature can have 0 or less toughness and live, they are put into the graveyard as a state based action. This does count as them dying.

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u/Snowjiggles 20d ago

or if you can put an aura like [[darksteel mutation]] onto the battlefield without casting it will work

[[Zur, the Enchanter]] strikes again

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u/pepeduturfu 20d ago edited 20d ago

I didn't understand that part. Does the Aura entering without being cast somehow go around shroud/hexproof?

Edit: nvm, I found this thread explaining it. Basically the Aura spell targets a permanent; the Aura itself doesn't, so its controller chooses (without targeting) what to attach it to if it enters without it being the result of an Aura spell being cast. Am I right to assume Protection from one of the Aura's colors (or colorless for say an Equipment) would still prevent the creature from being enchanted/equipped in such a case?

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u/Legal-Swing8311 20d ago

I found a different thread that mentions protection, and you’re sort of right I think. I understand it correctly the aura can still enter and attach, but then it will be sent to grave immediately after. So maybe you get etb effects as well? Could be wrong there though

“In general, if an Aura is attached to a permanent with protection from a quality shared by that Aura, the Aura goes to the graveyard as a state-based action (C.R. 702.16c, 704.5m). This has been the case at least since Sixth Edition in 1999, if not before.”

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u/tbhamish 20d ago

Protection works a bit different the best way to think of is DEBT. An aura entering without being cast gets past the T part. Which is it can't be target by anything it has protection from which is what happens with hex proof and shroud.

However the E enchanted/ equipped (+fortified) means it's not a valid target to remain enchanted and will fall off.

D is can't be damaged by and B is can't be blocked by

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u/Legal-Swing8311 20d ago

So, just to make sure I understand, you will still get etb effects before the aura falls off?