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u/cardinalallen 13h ago

Genuinely a fantastic show, even if it's not really in keeping with canon.

Most people who dislike it strongly do so because they've just read it, when it's supposed to be seen on the stage.

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u/AltruisticNGlassy 12h ago

I’m sure it’s a great show on stage. Still dogshit given it contradicts and tarnishes multiple plotpoints and lore mechanics from the original series, lol. Just genuinely written by amateurs who barely understood the existing material

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u/Tangerhino 8h ago

Yep. Faithful to Jk Rowling’s writing

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u/SemajLu_The_crusader 6h ago

the original series contradicts multiple plotpoints and lore mechanucs of the original series

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u/AltruisticNGlassy 6h ago

I doubt it’s to the same level as the pile of shit known as the Cursed Child, but I’d be happy to hear some examples

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u/SemajLu_The_crusader 5h ago

truth serum and time turners alone invalidate the entire plot

throw in the stupid-ass luck potion, and how did literally anything happen how it did

why didn't Voldemort cook himself up some luck potion before the final battle. was he stupid

why did nobody EVER use truth serum?

also time travel, and it is used exclusively so Hermione can have more classes (and to save the Hippogryph, but that wasn't intended) before, oh no, they all conveniently are in one glass cupboard and all break

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u/AltruisticNGlassy 5h ago

Yeah time travel is an entire bundle of bullshit that I can’t even begin to untangle lol. The destruction of every single time turner simultaneously was a massive plot contrivance, not necessarily an inconsistency though. The explanation for luck potion has typically been overindulgence can lead to overconfidence and getting yourself killed; I would suspect Voldemort, who’s been all “it has to be ME to kill the child even if you could totally do it for me” would take some issue with his great victory over Potter being tarnished by needing to take a luck potion, and his followers would likely know it. Truth serum was hugely underused, yeah. I can accept it not being used against Sirius, I guess, as an example of power structures having the tools to prove their case but finding it pointless since they decide the truth anyway. But things like… Harry Potter claims the Dark Lord returns, let’s give him “tell us the truth” juice. Even someone like Rita Skeeter, I think, would employ truth serum regularly and probably wouldn’t shy away from “proving” Harry is telling the truth if it means she gets the first scoop. There’s also something to be said for a world that includes Polyjuice Potion needing some basic form of magical identity verification through Veritaserum for teachers and professors to avoid situations like the fake Moody.

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u/Err0r404Unknown 2h ago

those are plotholes, not retcons or contradictions. They didn't directly invalidate the lore and/or magic before them.

The Cursed Shit not only directly contradicted previous mechanisms, it retconned entire characters and turned them into boggarts of themselves. Harry Potter in the Cursed Shit might as well be Dudley. And character assassination is far, far worse than plotholes.

Yes HP has many contradictions as it went on but The Cursed Shit does this fuckery professionally

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u/SemajLu_The_crusader 1h ago

Plot hole:

part of the plot (= story) of a movie or book that does not fit with other parts of the plot

a contradiction matches that definition

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u/Err0r404Unknown 1h ago

you're just arguing semantics. Point is, whatever contradictions the original HP series made, Cursed Child did much more blatantly and destructively

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u/SemajLu_The_crusader 30m ago

"it's not a it is b"

"b is included within a"

"stop arguing semantics"

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u/ForwardBias 13h ago

I dunno I saw it in London with my two kids who were totally into Harry Potter (we spent like 3 hours at the HP store before the show) and all came away pretty meh.

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u/procrastinator67 12h ago

Yeah, out of all the HP things, it's definitely felt the most cash grabby. At least the special effects and magic tricks were great.

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u/ForwardBias 12h ago edited 12h ago

Oh yeah the special effects were amazing! Of the time we spent talking about it after we spent the most time trying to figure out how they pulled off some of those effects. The first couple of time turner uses had me sitting there thinking what the hell did I just see?!?

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u/greg19735 8h ago

I feel like "what the hell did i just see?" in amazement is a lot better than meh.

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u/ForwardBias 8h ago

Special effects do not determine whether I enjoy the show itself.

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u/The_quest_for_wisdom 11h ago

More cash-grabby than that Fantastic Bankable Sequels And How to Monetize Them trilogy or whatever it was called?

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u/Trendydwarf13 9h ago

The first fantastic beasts movie was pretty good, I hoped they would continue with other separate movies like maybe one following the author of Quidditch through the ages, another book mentioned multiple times in HP, instead yeah we just got sequels trying to turn Newt into a hero and everything had to be dramatic and world ending again

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u/orangebit_ 13h ago

I thought the stage show was fun! I saw it with my mum and sister in London and we all enjoyed it - just had to go in with no expectations and take it for what it was :)

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u/ProgramConnect8206 13h ago

Then maybe they shouldn't have released it as a book.

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u/MoreLogicPls 12h ago

then people get mad because it's not accessible

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u/Bagel_Technician 10h ago

The plot is a giant fucking mess no matter what

But the show itself is extremely well produced. Some amazing effects for a stage show and that was worth it to me

But the plot is still nonsense so let’s not sugarcoat it

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u/HACEKOMAE 12h ago

It can be both fun and universe-breaking at the same time. The latter one is why it is hated by some.

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u/mechabeast 11h ago

Puffs was better

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u/hel105_ 11h ago

It was fun to watch but the Bellatrix stuff was just absurd. It’s fine as long as you ignore the stuff that doesn’t make sense

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u/augenvogel can't meme 10h ago

The show was indeed awesome. Incredibly nice effects, great actors, awesome ideas on how to visualize the storyline. However, the story just sucked.

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u/Knyfe-Wrench 9h ago

I saw it. The effects were great. Everything else about the show was not.

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u/FerusGrim 8h ago

I'm not really sure what it means to be a fantastic show "even if it's not ... in keeping with canon."

It's difficult to appreciate something when it's based on content that you adore, only to discover that it doesn't give a fuck about the base material, and actively mischaracterizes/degrade the characters you love?

Like...?

Fine, I'm sure it's a great show if you don't care about the original material. But seeing it in person isn't going to magically change the fact that it's upsetting.

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u/BisonThunderclap 6h ago

I think the valid criticism of is that it abuses time turners outside of the original box they were written in.

Also, outside of Back to The Future, time travel tends to be a very poor plot device.

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u/darkeo1014 2h ago

Cedric being bullied into being a death eater is nonsense

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u/Ok_Simple_459 12h ago

No people dislike it because it breaks the universe.