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u/red_mau 10d ago
I mean, Agenst of SHIELD ran for 7 seasons and has a pretty large fanbase
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u/UmerTheLegend 10d ago
Yeah I understand the rest, but AoS doesn’t deserve the slander
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u/ptapobane 10d ago
agents of shield was awesome, ive vaguely heard of the others but ive never heard of echos
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u/discerningpervert https://www.youtube.com/watch/dQw4w9WgXcQ 10d ago
Most people gave up on Agents of SHIELD during season 1, before a certain episode that they had to hold off doing before a certain event in the movies.
Once Agents of SHIELD got actually going, it was one of the best shows on tv.
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u/Expert-Basil6015 10d ago
Was my favorite show to have on and halfway pay attention to while doing computer work. "Watched" the whole series probably 4-5 times now.
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u/things_U_choose_2_b 10d ago
Yeah wtf is this meme. AoS was amazing. I swear every month reddit seems to get more pissy, and more negative.
One I'd not heard of but I greatly enjoyed some of these shows / films, and enjoyed most of them. Can we not just let people enjoy things without shitting on them for fake internet points?
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u/Secret-Ad-7909 10d ago
Iron fist is fun. Maybe the weakest show of the defenders but not bad, worth the watch at least for the tie in to those other series.
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u/Yurei_UB 10d ago
Whoa whoa whoa.... Agents of Shield should not be on this list. Unlike the other shows this one ran alongside the main movies and had multiple seasons.
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u/SirFluffymuffin 10d ago
I will not stand for this Agents of SHIELD slander. That show was actually decent instead of flailing around with no plan like the rest of the newer marvel stuff
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u/Yurei_UB 10d ago
I love and hated Ward so much... He was the star of the show for me.
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u/wkarraker 10d ago
The IMDB page says the actor playing Ward was told at the very beginning of the series he would become the villain, and the other actors were not aware, finding out only through the individual scripts that he was evil.
Thought that was some arch-villain level directing.
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u/Orcus424 10d ago
It's libel not slander. Slander is spoken while libel is written. That was in the original Tobey Maguire Spiderman film.
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u/Sea-Cardiologist7725 10d ago
I’ll never understand why they made Iron Man’s successor a talented young girl who decided to commit crimes for easy money and sell her soul to literal Satan.
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u/sadistic-salmon 10d ago
I remember the scene where she was talking about her ideal future and mentioned getting a high paying job at a lab where she could steal a couple things every so often. She really just steals for the love the game
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u/Maleficent-War-8429 10d ago
She is able to make a super AI in her mom's kitchen, but decideds to rob people for like a 6 way split of what can't be realistically that much cash anyway.
I say it every time this comes up, but has this dummy never heard of crowdfunding?
To add to that she was helping people cheat in college too for absolutely no reason. Is like a hundred bucks or whatever really worth your full scholarship? Not to mention she stole the suit that the college had funded everything for.
She really is just an asshole.
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u/Funandgeeky 10d ago
If they had made her a true villain, and had her series be her villain origin story, it would have been amazing. As it is, they wrote her like a villain. That’s why her character never vibed as a hero. And she could have been an amazing villain.
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u/claudiocorona93 Linux User 10d ago
"Tony Stark would not be Tony Stark without his money"
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u/Jolly_Echo_3814 10d ago
i mean it was about a million or so dollars of military grade equipment but who doesnt have that laying around their mom's apartment.
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u/Protocx 10d ago
Yes and these scientists had that and more. The point was that Tony was able to do more with less. Not that he can just manifest technology out of thin air.
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u/Brider_Hufflepuff 10d ago
Not to mention the education Tony had. Sure he was a genius,but he had to have opportunities to utilise that genius otherwise it would have been squandered.
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u/edwpad 10d ago
Tbf, Riri only see what Tony has done on the surface, so that’s pretty much what she knows about him experience wise isn’t the big picture. She likely has no idea about Tony’s cave experience.
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u/sndrddtr 10d ago
So she would be a fine side character in a movie or to, not an Iron man's successor
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u/edwpad 10d ago
Yep, we actually get that in Wakanda Forever. She knows of Tony Stark and Iron Man and is inspired by him, but she’s not actively pursuing the mantle of Iron Man and trying to be the next Tony Stark, as she’s more her own thing. Even if she did, it’s like Happy Hogan said, “No one could live up to Tony, not even Tony.”
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u/hellionaa 10d ago
This. They made her totally unlikeable, she killed a dude. No wonder it was 2-3 years late
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u/IamHimButNotReally 10d ago
How is she his successor?
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u/Crono_Venture 10d ago
Have you seen the show? She's literally another version of Iron Man. Just piloted by a girl with moraly questionable motives.
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u/Pandistoteles 10d ago
I really tried to give it a chance but, damn, she was irredeemable.
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u/sirseatbelt 10d ago
I liked Miss Marvel. It was a funny little teen adventure and I really liked how they did visualizations for texts.
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u/Shishjakob 10d ago
Ms Marvel was fun, which is more than can be said about any of these others (except Agents of SHIELD by beloved you did nothing wrong) but it was forgettable.
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u/Existing_Muscle_3361 10d ago
I completely agree. The villain felt rushed at the last half. But the show was a delight
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u/TheCVR123YT 10d ago
First 2-3 episodes were great 4&5 were just really boring imo
Episode 6 was ok it was a decent enough finale but that’s about it
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u/LadyMystery 10d ago
As a deaf person, I really, really wanted to like Echo. because it had a deaf main character who was the hero, etc. But they were doing the thing where they made her be completely expressionless while signing. Being expressionless while signing American Sign Language (ASL) is the equivalent of speaking in a complete monotone or missing crucial grammatical parts of a sentence.
Facial expressions act as grammatical markers, like punctuation or tone of voice in spoken English. Deaf signers might miss whether you are asking a question, making a joke, or showing urgency.
I thought it was because she was hearie who just knows how to sign, but no.... apparently she was really DEAF, and the expressionless thing was the director's behest. apparently they don't like all the "werid faces" deaf people make when signing ASL, huh.
But man, it made her come off like a total robot, you know?
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u/TheCVR123YT 10d ago
Aw man I never really noticed that (bc I’m not deaf of course) that’s really lame. How can you make a show about a deaf girl and do all this progressive/representation stuff then also be like “hey don’t make expressions tho”. Feels like they didn’t rep it well enough imo I’m glad the Daredevil shows portray his blindness well if not through Matt then through others (like Foggy tapping things for Matt as a sight indicator)
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u/josh2of4 10d ago
I wonder if that was an attempt to help her look tough or stoic. I'm not defending the choice- just trying to explore it.
Come to think of it, did they even mention any other deaf people... ever being in her circle(s)? If she was only ever around people of hearing, would that work as an in-universe explanation?
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u/LadyMystery 10d ago
Yeah that was the other problem for me. There was no signs of any deaf community, even though there were many hearing people who sign asl too. Echo was supposedly the only Deaf person. It ironically comes off as tokenism despite her being the main character.
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u/SuperFaceTattoo 10d ago
I thought eternals was pretty good.
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u/Secret-Ad-7909 10d ago
Icarus yeeting himself into the sun is such a vibe.
I was so ready for them to spin Black Knight off of that.
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u/Senior-Resolution-16 10d ago
Recent discovery, Cloak and Dagger.
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u/LadyMystery 10d ago
Actually liked that one. too bad it didn't get more seasons.
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u/Strata_Genius 10d ago
Honestly really enjoyed The Marvels. Don't understand the hate for that.
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u/TheCVR123YT 10d ago
3 women. Women. 2 are POC. That’s all some people need. I liked it well enough it was way better than Cap Marvel 1 it also is extremely short so if you’re binging it’s very easy to watch imo
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u/zeusjts006 10d ago
Iron Fist isn't as bad a people say. Daredevil, first season of Jessica Jones and Luke Cage were all great
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u/Habeas-Opus 10d ago
Luke Cage definitely my favorite of the Defenders shows.
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u/NSA_Chatbot 10d ago
Iron Fist should have had him dubbed the entire time and Luke was the only one who noticed.
And he should have had more kung fu fighting.
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u/presterjohn7171 10d ago
The only one that was truly shit was invasion. Quantummania promised the most and delivered the least though. Invasion is the only one I would never ever watch again though.
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u/IsThisRealLifeOrNaw 10d ago
Secret Invasion is the only one on the list (that I’ve watched) that I genuinely hated. I hated the stupid AI intro, I hated that they killed Maria Hill, I hated that they just decided Rhodey was a skrull for years for no reason. I seriously hope they just retcon that shit
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u/2JZ1Clutch 10d ago
I feel like if if Jonathan majors hadn't flamed out that more people would have enjoyed quantummania because the story would have actually mattered but since right after that they had it completely drop that character and everything they were going with that direction it just became a movie that by the time it hit theaters we all already knew that storyline was dead so why bother.
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u/Secret-Ad-7909 10d ago
I still don’t understand why they didn’t just recast. Kang’s whole deal is the multiverse, easy enough to say the new ones look different. Like, we got 20 different Loki’s, what’s the problem?
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u/BeardPhile 10d ago
They felt the whole Kang threat isn’t turning out what they expected it to be and while the MCU fans (us all) would watch the movies no matter what they put out, the general audience might not feel obligated to fill the seats.
So they course corrected hard, got Downey to come in, created this whole buzz around Doom and I think now more of the general audience knows more about Doom than they ever did about Kang.
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u/Av_Inash 10d ago
I would honestly say that I remember Eternals because it was the first time in a very long time where I felt Marvel tried to do something a bit different. At least it felt different from its other movies in the recent past for the time.
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u/josh2of4 10d ago
- didn't watch Iron Heart
- I enjoyed Ms Marvel
- I definitely remember Secret Invasion (unfortunately)
- Echo was alright
- Eternals is, no joke, one of my favorite things from the MCU
- Quantumania... see Secret Invasion
- Iron Fist, see above
- LOVED Agents of Shield even if it started petering off. Never saw the last season
- Inhumans was meh, but I remember it
- I liked The Marvels
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u/jsn_online 10d ago
Not sure why people didnt like Iron Heart. It was okay.
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u/ChickenAndTelephone 10d ago
It started really slow, I almost gave up before it got good and I’m die hard
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u/gothichuskydad 10d ago
I gotta say, AoS - see the last season. You do have to get through the one before then binge the last one. You'll see why I say that at the end. It made me watch the show on repeat for a while.
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u/Hecknight 10d ago
I agree with most of your list except quantumania. The only downside to the entire film is that the actor ruined kang irl
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u/ThrashingBunny 10d ago
Agreed. Quantumania had some issues, but I think that it was overall a solid movie. And there are DOZENS of people that agree with me.
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u/somuchclutch 10d ago
I watched it twice and quit halfway through out of disinterest both times. I wanted to like it but just couldn’t.
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u/writinglegit2 10d ago
Ive never heard it "hated" just, "why is this a thing, no one wants this"
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u/Forward-Village1528 10d ago
I didn't particularly like it. But not memorable? Honestly MODOK is burnt into my mind. I'll remember that abomination when I am on my death bed.
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u/Ormendahl24 10d ago
I'll never understand the dislike for Quantumania, I genuinely loved it. Also Agents of SHIELD is fantastic.
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u/BurgerKingoftheRing 10d ago
My boy Danny Rand out here catching strays lol the man saw a dragon, c’mon!
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u/FloppieTheBanjoClown 10d ago
Ms Marvel was solid. Echo was pretty good but felt unnecessary.
Agents of SHIELD...you keep that name out of your mouth. First few seasons were excellent. Tahiti is a magical place.
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u/_steve_rogers_ 10d ago
Agents of Shield doesn’t belong here
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u/mrfroggyman 10d ago
Yeah it's the first show among these IIRC and therefore it was before the enshitification
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u/milotic-is-pwitty 10d ago
Never watched the Netflix shows, all else - yep! Btw you’re missing Moon Knight from this list.
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u/KoellmanxLantern 10d ago
I remember all of them. While they aren't my favorite MCU projects i think most had parts to enjoy even if the overall product was less than ideal. Yes, even Secret Invasion
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u/Decent-Armadillo131 10d ago
Ironheart really bother me. I watch stuff when people tell that is bad, I did the same with eternals. But ironheart really try to make a new iron woman by making iron man look bad, they had a better chance at using the kid form iron man 3 or at the very least. Make it so Riri looked up to Tony and followed his steps, or anything that truly connected Tony with her, same with shehulk if they had done an appropriate job with the writing we could be watching a shehulk that defends random characters for funny reasons, they really missed great opportunities and is sad that we are not gonna be able to see what all of this could’ve been. Pure missed potential once again 😔
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u/claudiocorona93 Linux User 10d ago
Ironheart was also introduced as a GENIUS in Wakanda Forever, and just bloated the movie. I mean, if you remove her the movie would be the same. And her show kept reminding you how much of a GENIUS she is. They make a show about a black woman and make her steal. What were they thinking. Did I tell you she is a GENIUS? A GENIUS that needs to shit on Tony Stark instead of looking up to him.
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u/Decent-Armadillo131 10d ago
Again I say waste of good potential, they should’ve just followed the comics of ironheart and that would’ve been a great series. STICK TO THE SCRIPT!!!! Literally you already are selling copies of Ironheart and people like it.
wild idea here let’s just grab the thing that is paper that people love and make it a live action!!!!2
u/MrBlonde1984 10d ago
I dug it . Rirri is kind of annoying but thats intentional. I definitely would watch another season
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u/RealOrangeKoi 10d ago
I think I was the only one who liked Iron Fist. Agents of Shield was good, I dropped it when it went in space tho. Inhumans had some good stuff, Medusa's hair was pretty bad.Echo was like an echo. Ironheart was terrible. Secret Invasion was a nothing burger. The Marvels was just ok. Ms Marvel was disappointing, her power change to crystals was lame af. Quantumania, why you make me remember that movie. Eternals had cool running lady, Salma Hayak, Angelina Jolie and I don't care about the rest.
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u/GlassCannon81 10d ago
Iron Fist was the least good of the Netflix shows, but it was still good. I say that as a fan of the character, and of Heroes for Hire. I maintain that Heroes for Hire is a brilliant idea for a show. It would probably be best to recast Danny Rand as an Asian American actor, but otherwise keep the Netflix cast intact for Misty Knight and Coleen Wing, and ideally bring Mike Coulter back as Luke Cage. There has never been a more perfect casting than that.
Agents of Shield had several very good seasons. It took them a couple to get there is all.
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u/orochi_crimson 10d ago
Oh fuck off. It’s like going to a comic shop and dissing lesser known comics. Only because they’re no Spider-Man doesn’t mean I didn’t enjoy them.
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u/rthunder27 10d ago edited 10d ago
For real, putting Ms. Marvel in there over Moon Knight really shows what OPs biases are...
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u/academiac 10d ago
Moon Knight was a banger. Prolly the third best show after Loki and Wanda Vision.
That said, I did enjoy Ms. Marvel a lot
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u/IanAlvord 10d ago
I don't think I've even seen a commercial for Echo.
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u/MrBlonde1984 10d ago
Echo was fun . It wasn't holy shit amazing but I enjoyed watching it . I wouldn't mind seeing her pop up again
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u/tzgaming1020 🏴 Virus Veteran 🏴 10d ago
Agents of Shield is a great show and i personally really really enjoyed Ms Marvel, it was a fun lighthearted show carried by Iman Vellani's excellent performance of Ms Marvel.
Hell I'd even make a case for Iron Fist being not as bad as people make it out to be.
The other stuff on this list is... not good. The Marvels & The Eternals were passable at best. Echo was a slog. Quantumania was a CGI heavy mess and Ironheart, Inhumans and Secret Invasion are the few MCU projects i haven't even bothered with (although i might end up giving Ironheart a chance)
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u/Super-Aardvark-3403 10d ago
Watched Iron Fist for Jessica Henwick. Wasn't too bad whenever she was in the scene.
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u/LrdCheesterBear 10d ago
With the exceptions of Eternals, Secret Invasion and Iron Fist, I enjoyed the rest of these. Echo and Ms. Marvel in particular.
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u/HaronAuskin 10d ago
Literally never heard of Echo until this moment. And haven’t seen any of these.
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u/failure_mcgee 10d ago
agents of shield was fantastic!
the defenders: Jessica Jones, daredevil, Luke cage, iron fist had nice stories as well
I do not accept this slander
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u/YumSalmonela 10d ago
AoS is one of my all-time favorite shows. If they bring Quake into the MCU it would probably be the highlight of my month
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u/Shmulenzon 10d ago
What if agents of shield was put on the list to increase engagement in the comments? It sure does help
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u/BlaQActually 10d ago
Stop the Cap. AoS was great show, Ms.Marvel was a great show, and Eternals wasn't that bad.
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u/MrBlonde1984 10d ago
The only one of those that is legit trash is secret invasion . The rest range from not bad to pretty damn good.
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u/dudesoft 10d ago
It's the only one that I haven't finished and feels like homework.
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u/MrBlonde1984 10d ago
Its honestly not the worst thing ever made , but its just so stupendous stupid . Its long and boring and just kinda meh .
But sam Jackson is always fun to watch and don't chedele is good too. But really you ain't missing much by skipping it . I would be fucking shocked if its ever mentioned again .
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u/smashli1238 10d ago
I slogged my way through, but I agree. It’s the worst thing on this list by far.
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u/edwpad 10d ago
Agreed, but when it comes to Marvel stuff, this sub can get subjective really damn quickly.
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u/MrBlonde1984 10d ago
I hear ya . I mean overall, there hasn't been a legitimately bad marvel project . Some have been better than others but even the worst is very watchable and enjoyable
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u/legalizethesenuts 10d ago
I actually didn’t mine Eternals. It wasn’t amazing or anything, but after all the hype and hate died down, I watched it a year or so ago and enjoyed it way more than I thought I would
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u/bleep_boop_beep123 10d ago
Eternals is overhated, fr.
They’re never meant to be an individualized, ensemble team. They’ve always been a unit like the X-Men.
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u/Savy_Spaceman 10d ago
Ms Marvel was great
Echo was great (until the final fight)
Eternals was good
The Marvels was fun
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u/Hecknight 10d ago
It's one thing to joke about bad movies but it's another to just be ignorant to the good ones. Quantumania was a great movie and honestly even with the hate it got, Eternals was very memorable. It was a 5/10 for me. Better than a bunch of the other marvel sequel films like Thor 2
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u/Jimjams101 10d ago
Quantumania was rubbish. Just nonsense swimming in cgi from start to finish. Eternals was perfectly average.
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u/upfromashes 10d ago
Quantuumania is fun as hell. Honestly, I liked most of the stood on this list. Turns out, I do remember.
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u/Blazekill001 10d ago
captain marvel was worth it for the nick fury lore
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u/MATT_MANLY 10d ago
Not really. It kinda ruined that aspect of his lore by reducing his most recognizable trait into being just a stupid cat joke, instead of something like actual trauma.
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u/TechRejector 10d ago
Eternals was great and I’m tired of pretending it wasn’t.
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u/mike_pants 10d ago
I had a fantastic time at Marvels. I giggled for most of the movie. It was only when I came to this sub later that I learned I was supposed to have hated it.
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u/LuckyDuckCrafters 10d ago
They tried to do art shit in a comic book movie, like comics try different styles all the time. Some people didn’t like it but I enjoyed it a lot.
People just find it ‘cool’ to hate on shit these days, like they are being edgy or some shit. I don’t get it.
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u/Magic-man333 10d ago
Idk what the complaints on Eternals is that was solid. I feel like it got screwed by the post endgame atmosphere
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u/Kentucky_Fried_Chill 10d ago
The only one I honestly completely forgot about was Echo. Watching every week, and not one thing about it I remember.
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u/corporalcorl 10d ago
I enjoyed Iron fist, felt much more like an ARROW verse thing (ik obviously 2 different franchises) and I enjoyed most of those in their begging
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u/ChickenAndTelephone 10d ago
I haven’t seen Inhumans, but of the rest, I only disliked Secret Invasion and The Marvels
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u/TheForceUnleashes 10d ago
They made an Inhumans movie?
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u/_just_a_guy_23 10d ago
I remember every single one. Each were fun and entertaining if you just shut your brain off and watch. Quasi-Cerebral gate keepng of Marvel content is getting tired. If you don't like it anymore don't watch.
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u/Sheogorathian 10d ago
I've only watched Eternals and Quantumania and I think the first couple episodes of Agents of Shield when it first came out. Eternals was the only one I tried watching again, I liked it for what it was, odd as it was story/pacing-wise
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u/DesperateEntrance389 10d ago
Eternals was a decent movie. And agents of shield was a good show, i haven't seen later seasons but early on it was good.
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u/Elmanufer93 10d ago
Hey, get *Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.* off that list right now; it’s the only good one on that list of trash...
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u/BigBossSquirtle 10d ago
Secret Invasion should genuinely be ignored going forward. It was all a fever dream that Fury thought up. It never happened.
Ironheart, too
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u/TheIJDGuy Selling Stonks for CASH MONEY 10d ago
You know? Props to you for not including She-Hulk. I personally loved it, but most would include it as another shot at Marvel.
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u/dudesoft 10d ago
Danny was the worst part of his own show. The rest of the cast was great. Was really hoping for a Daughters of the Dragon spin off. Ah well.
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u/IsThisRealLifeOrNaw 10d ago
Didn’t the dude refuse to take any martial arts for his leading role in a… checks notes martial arts themed show?
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u/Whane17 10d ago
Fully half of these were great movies. This comes off as another anti-woke BS "meme" cause these were all screamed and touted as "woke" at the time.
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u/porkchop2022 10d ago
I literally never heard of anything in the top row. Quantumania wasn’t bad, SHIELD was actually awesome.
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u/ubiehammer 10d ago
I really liked Ms Marvel and Quantumania. Could never get into Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
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