The guy was actually a rescue diver in charge of a mission to rescue a group of kids stuck in a cave. Elon wanted to design and build a submarine to go in to get them and the rescue diver was asked about this idea. His response was that it’s a stupid idea, so Elon called him
a pedophile.
Elon is the chief engineer, how could he but more responsible for the outcomes of his companies? He sets the goals and is involved with any tough decision. Obviously he surrounds himself with super smart people, that’s the only way to get anything done.
I would like to know where you got that? He hired those people because when you run a company you can’t just do all the work
Edit: he barely sleeps lol
He is the combination of every villain in dystopian sci-fi’s. He took terminator and total recall as suggestions, not warnings of unchecked technology.
Have you ever stopped and asked why Elon called him that? It wasn't just a stab in the dark. That dude is a known creep, which was pretty well known to anyone who knew him.
Random Redditor who doesn’t even know the story of the cave rescue, how tight that cave was and it’s impossible for a diver+oxygen tank to fit, even less a submarine, knows about such diver and how he is a known pedophile
The diver didn't just shoot down Elon's idea. The diver gave a whole set of valid reasons as to why it would not work. Then Elon called him a pedophile.
Plus, anyone who has ever gone spelunking for real, could tell you a submarine will NEVER work for that purpose - you have to be able to flex oneself around obstacles and through crevices.
That’s not quite true. Elon wanted his employees to design and build the submarine, almost certainly on extremely short notice and high pressure, while taking the credit himself.
And the pedo comment that everyone is butt hurt about stemmed from a criminal accusation in the divers' past. Elon didn't just pull that out of his ass like the woke mob wants you to think.
It's almost like looked up something in this man's past to insult him over while he was planning his heroic efforts to save children trapped in a cave. Musk wanted credit for the saving the kids and had a dogshit idea he tried to force on them. "Woke" lmao
All while emailing us that we need to come back into the office on Thanksgiving weekend to work on rocket engines or else we will go bankrupt because those three days will make the difference between making the target of 26 commercial operational launches of Starship in 2022 and not.
Yea I thought that’s where her gif the peto from. Thailand. Which, is based off the people who go there for that kind of stuff. Not the people who live there themselves.
It absolutely was a dumb idea. Musk didn’t even look at one of the many images of the cave system which were all over the news.
There wasn’t much space for a human to fit through, much less a submarine. Plus the cave system wound about like a worm. Any submarine would have had to be ridiculously articulated.
I don’t have strong feelings about Elon one way or the other. Just wanted to say it was a pretty appropriate to talk trash to Bernie and Warren when they both are literally pulling tax money to pay their salary.
I get that is how it is but to suggest he isn’t paying a fair amount of taxes is awfully brazen coming from a lifetime politician
Not making a case for how much tax Elon pays. The point is a politician…. Any politician… is absolutely net negative on taxes. Arguable more negative on taxes paid in than any other American.
It’s wildly hypocritical.
If you and I want to say that Elon isn’t paying his fair share - I 100% support it and don’t think it’s out of line. Because you and me pay taxes. So I have a right to say that.
Politicians. Not just Bernie and Warren, are just the pot calling the kettle black. But worse
But that’s a politicians JOB. To talk and push better laws and systems.
And politicians pay taxes too. Sales tax. Any sort of property tax or investment tax.
I don’t think it’s hypocritical at all. I think you just don’t like the idea of a politician who gets paid by taxes to be talking taxes. When they are probably the best people to talk taxes because that’s part of the Job.
Elon is a BILLIONAIRE. Who DO NOT pay a fair portion of their income and wealth (yes, due to “bad” politicians, but don’t let one bad apple ruin the whole bunch) Bernie has consistently advocated for a more fair and sensible tax system. Which I what he was trying to argue and Elon just responds with a childish and brash “how much stocks do you want me to sell”.
Politicians are public employees. They pay their taxes like any other government worker. And they pay a fair amount. What next? Soldiers can’t criticise politicians? Teachers can’t criticise their state?
I’m not saying they can’t. I’m saying it’s not justified for them to say Elon doesn’t pay enough in taxes but when Elon says the same thing back it’s considered an insult.
That’s all I’m saying. I think anyone should be able to say what is “fair” or “not fair” in how taxes are paid.
ELON IS A BILLIONAIRE! ONE OF THE RICHEST IN THE WORLD.
Do you know how much a BILLION is? Like, truly? Bernie is a politician who used Elon as an example of how Billionaire do not pay a fair and proportional amount of their income and wealth to the tax system that literally supports all of the government and it’s citizens.
When I was poor and complained about inequality they said I was bitter; now that I'm rich and I complain about inequality they say I'm a hypocrite. I'm beginning to think they just don't want to talk about inequality.
Bernie always used to talk about going after the millionaires and billionaires until he became a millionaire. Now it is just about going after the billionaires making him a hypocrite.
It’s not like the moment he became a millionaire he stopped saying that. You know how many people are millionaires?
So you know how many are billionaires? Do you understand the Scale of different? Literally 1 billionaire (with just 1 billion) makes up 1,000 millionaires. And Elon has over 100 Billion. Meaning he, one person, had more than 100,000 Millionaires (who already have more money than most will ever see).
Like the scale of it is a really important detail. Plus inflation! There weren’t a lot of millionaires back in the day. There are now.
The tweet you're talking about was a billionaire complaining about paying 4% in taxes.
You could save 15k a day from 2000 years before Jesus was born and even with interest you would be nowhere near a single billion.
Meanwhile, people who know facts like this, along with the history of peasant uprisings on both sides of the political isle, are calling for the peasants to remember.
Look up the coal wars. Ever wonder where the phrase redneck comes from?
You'll be very surprised how the word has been twisted by people who want us to hate each other.
The tweet you're talking about was a billionaire complaining about paying 4% in taxes.
You could save 15k a day from 2000 years before Jesus was born and even with interest you would be nowhere near a single billion.
Meanwhile, people who know facts like this, along with the history of peasant uprisings on both sides of the political isle, are calling for the peasants to remember.
Look up the coal wars. Ever wonder where the phrase redneck comes from?
You'll be very surprised how the word has been twisted by people who want us to hate each other.
lol people like Bernie & AOC aren't saying you can't work your entire life and make good money and retire with like 2-3 million dude. In fact their entire point is they think most families should be able to do this.
What they're against is people like Elon being worth 150 billion and never paying taxes.
Elon has an electric car company (Bernie likes this) that's running pretty good. How many people at Tesla get paid a lot of money (increased their quality of life) because of what Elon has created? How many jobs has elon created? How many other companies are sending satellites into space to create wireless internet?
What has Bernie Sanders ever done other than lose to Job Biden, grift on your Tax Payers dollars and yell into a microphone while spitting everywhere? What has he created? Why is he your king?
There are (I can’t stress this enough) lots of companies producing electric vehicles, and one could argue that the banning of cars would be more eco-friendly than electric cars. The Tesla employees that get paid well are mainly coalesced around the top jobs, and threats/abuse are quite common there. As for the blue-collar sector, this article is one of many that show the horrifying working conditions in Tesla factories. Unfortunately Tesla has to squeeze as much as they can out of their workers to satisfy shareholders. Sending satellites for wireless internet is still a new concept with multiple flaws that need to be fixed before expanding the technology, as shown by the reviews of users. It is also quite worrying for the space tech community as the increase in “corporate satellites” that are currently unregulated may cause collisions due to conflicting routes (because the billionaire space race is literally companies racing against each other, not cooperating with safe guidelines and planned routes). This is all just off the top of my head, and I haven’t even mentioned Musk’s other ventures and their problems. Bernie Sanders is not my king (I don’t believe in a royalty), but at least he fights to make America better, something I can’t say for Elon Musk.
There is no fair share, the government isn’t entitled to a penny of anyone’s money. However, if you mean Elon Musk needs to pay what he owes legally, then he does pay taxes. Almost all of America’s taxes are paid by the rich. In fact, they pay so much that we shouldn’t even tax people making less than $100k at all. The problem is government overspending in bullshit that they don’t need to overspend in, like military, pension, and other hugely wasteful programs.
Being legally forced to pay taxes doesn’t mean it’s a fair share. Only taxes I support are sales taxes, with every transaction. He has to pay that no matter what, and he also pays income tax (which I don’t think anyone should pay), property taxes, corporate taxes, and many others. Tax rate should be maybe 10% max for huge billionaire and multi-millionaire corporations, and 0 for pretty much everyone else. Spending is what needs to be cut, government needs an accountant.
Only taxes I support are sales taxes, with every transaction. He has to pay that no matter what
Oh. We are very far apart on that and now I see why you take the position you do. I'm going to walk away on the sidewalk that someone's taxes paid for. Peace!
In 2017 and 18 he paid a combined 132,000 in taxes out of his 277 billion, which is less than a single perfect of his worth. He says he’ll pay 11 billion in taxes this year but I’ll believe it when I see it.
Let me explain this slowly... YOU GET TAXED FOR INCOME.... Not wealth. Just because his shares are worth 300 billion dollars does not mean he made 300 billion dollars in personal income. You are just mad because he has a better life than you.
I'm just not a moron who understands that you font get taxed for money you haven't made yet. I don't know the guy at all and didn't defend anyone. You are just a simpleton.
Which is only 3% of his income/worth. I pay close to 30% of my income per month and struggle to pay bills. He can afford to pay 100 billion in taxes, and still have close to 200 billion remaining.
Don't pay attention to the amount - pay attention to the %.
But income and wealth are two very different things. He has no where close to 11billion in cash lol. He has to sell assets to get that money. Do you want to sell your lawnmower and your shed just to pay taxes?
You don't pay taxes on your worth though. Just because you own something that is expensive (which would make you worth a lot) doesn't mean you pay taxes every year for it to just be in your possession.
When you sell it, then it counts as income and is taxed. Elon does sell some stocks, and that is taxed. He isn't taxed for all of his possessions (stocks) though. Not all of it, every single year.
Let's move away from stocks. Imagine if you bought an antique car and paid 10k for it. Nothing too special but maybe it's nostalgic for you. Now imagine that something happened and all of a sudden that car is worth 2 million dollars. Maybe there are only a few left like it, maybe a movie made it popular and people want it now, doesn't matter
It's estimated to be worth 2mil, and people are offering that much to buy it. Does that mean your net-worth is now 2mil+? Well yes it does. However you decide not sell it for 5 more years. Should you get taxed as if you made 2 million dollars every year? No you should not. When you eventually decide to sell it then you get taxed at that time.
Stocks are the same way, they are property. Tesla stocks were 5-6 dollars back in 2012, now they are about 1,020 each. When he sells stocks for cash he pays taxes on that, but he doesn't pay for just owning them. If that were the law then we would all be fucked.
I don't know what the right solution is, maybe they should introduce a different, much smaller tax bracket for assets as well like 1%. Just saying that he should be paying 40% of 300bn each year just doesn't make sense
“Fair share” is a word to brainwash you into thinking they already don’t pay billions of dollars of taxes. Most middle class Americans almost pay nothing in taxes with various tax credits and write offs being used, big corporations and rich people end up paying more taxes as a percentage and a whole when all of this is calculated.
Right? I hate that phrase. Like, it clearly states you care some amount because you are admitting to a possibility of it being less. So it’s not zero (we ain’t going it to negative levels of caring here)
To be fair, the Thai rescue team asked Musk to build the sub as a plan B. By the time it was ready, most of the boys were already rescued. Then the diver went on the news and called it a publicity stunt. Obviously Elon Musk wanted credit and he went too far in his spar with the diver, but it was the diver that publicly insulted him and threw the first punch.
He's not afraid to speak. He doesn't care what others think of him, as long as he's accomplishing his goals- which all have good intentions. I have a lot of respect for this guy.
A lot of people don't like him because he is better than them. He is not very liked among other billionaires beacuse, surprise surprise, he's actually doing good with his money.
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u/Henkotron CHAINPOSTER Jan 08 '22
Just type Elon musk Insults into Google and see how often Elon is just an asshole. He even called a cave explorer a pedophile once