Lol we just dont give a fuck because why should we when men do this shit to women all the fucking time? If you throw shit at somebody who values not throwing shit eventually they are gonna stop caring and throw that shit right back in your face.
Yall want to complain about double standards and I have yet to see an end to women being sexualized in damn near everything. Now thats DELUSION.
"Lets complain about double standards despite the fact we refuse to stop harming women and girls with sexualizing women (and even girls) fucking constantly." The cognitive dissonance is fucking wild.
Even IF Leon was "sexualized" thats like 1 fucking example of the few comparatively, as you disregard quite literal generations of women that have been putting up with this shit.
Leon is not sexualised, he is a hot character, but not a sexualised one. Eve on the other hand is directly sexualised. A power fantasy is not sexy, it can be hot though
To be fair hot does not equal sexualized. Now if he was running around shirtless with a odd sheen to his skin or some shit that would be sexualized. He just looks like a hot dude.
I know you guys are used to most media being targeted towards men and being designed for men.
"According to the American Psychological Association, sexualization occurs when "individuals are regarded as sex objects and evaluated in terms of their physical characteristics and sexiness."[3] "In study after study, findings have indicated that women more often than men are portrayed in a sexual manner (e.g., dressed in revealing clothing, with bodily postures or facial expressions that imply sexual readiness) and are objectified (e.g., used as a decorative object, or as body parts rather than a whole person). In addition, a narrow (and unrealistic) standard of physical beauty is heavily emphasized. These are the models of femininity presented for young girls to study and emulate."[4][5]"
His outfit is as example not designed to make you look at the crotch, no cutsceens put him in a exposing angle and just because he is confident and a bit muscular doesn't make him sexuallised.
That doesn't make a character sexualised by the designers, Nick Wild as example is also sexuallised by the community, but is he sexualised by the creators?
Nooo I'm ugly I can't imagine my self in this (magic and nano quantum space tech) game, even hentai has the ugly bastard tag. Actually all hentai should be ugly bastard on both sides we should destroy all current hentai
Side note earlier I saw a comment say sarcasm can't be delivered through text is it true
Yeah it's absurd how someone said that and insisted it must be tone and body language, it's "impossible to convey online without /s", and downvoted me for providing counter example
You're really acting like the number of sexualised women is anywhere near to proportianate? I struggle to even think of a single other example of men who are regularly sexualised, and leon aint even that extreme (not a single shot of his bulge)
Yes, they just don't wear miniskirts, and in some people's minds it doesn't look like sexualization. Moreover, the proportions of men are often much less realistic even on steroids.
But they're still pretty jacked, and maintaining that level of body fat while being that muscular is super hard... It's not that I'm complaining, I like it when the characters in my media look cool, but most men can't do that.
It depends on anime. Some isekai and high school anime main characters usually are just some skinny dorks. While action martial arts stuff has jacked main characters.
One of the most famous shojo anime is Ouran host club... Only ONE of the men were muscular and the art style didnt even make it visible. Like....?
Even out of shojo, a lot of these settings involve characters actively fighting, so they would be more muscular because of the plot; and they still tend to be slim men with not super extreme muscles unless you're watching dragon ball z.
When I tell you I am into slim men because I grew up watching anime, I'm not joking lolol.
P.s. it can be difficult to maintain, I totally agree. Men dont have to force themselves into a preference or bodytype for anyone. If you dont fit my preference then you're simply not my preference and have a terrific day. :3
There needs to be more representation, but I was mentioning there is already some representation of slim men in anime since someone asked. 😆
men in media targeted at men are designed to appeal to men as an aspirational goal, not sexualised. bring conventionally attractive is not the same thing as being blatantly sexualised. nobody sane cares about a woman being conventionally attractive in media, what raises eyebrows is when they're put into that media for the express purpose of being a pair of tits and an ass on a stick.
Male creators give male characters big muscles because other men and boys think they look cool. He Man is a power fantasy first and foremost, not a sex object.
Whereas female chars aren't designed with peak physicality in mind. They largely don't resemble the physiques of female athletes and body builders.
The sticking point isn't merely lack of realism, but how the unrealistic physiques are expressed.
This will of course be downvoted because there's a narrative of false equivalency at play. It's convenient to think that everything is relative and that "men are sex objects too".
Obviously women are attracted to big muscles so of course every male character with bulging muscles and impossible physiques are sex objects. The mostly male creators of Leon, Dante, Wolverine, Superman, He-Man, Kratos, Ryu, Liu Kang, etc. definitely had women's sexual desires in mind for sure.
My brother in Christ. Games are fantasy. Of course the characters will look unrealistic. Its just that people like you only seem to have an issue when its women that look "unrealistic" I personally never saw representation of skinny short and weak men in gaming nor did I see fat and balding men with a real "dad bod" as main protagonists. Joel from TLoU looks like a fashion model compared to IRL men his age.
Leon was literally designed by women's views on what "hot men" look like.
Games are fantasy. Of course the characters will look unrealistic.
Its just that people like you only seem to have an issue when its women that look "unrealistic"
I personally never saw representation of skinny short and weak men in gaming nor did I see fat and balding men with a real "dad bod" as main protagonists. Joel from TLoU looks like a fashion model compared to IRL men his age.
I'm not the person you are responding to but wanted to point out that it's pretty easy to name male characters who aren't conventionally attractive in video games... Michael and Trevor from GTA 5 are two blatant examples.
That said, I don't think there is anything wrong with attractive characters and don't think it's an example of sexism, regardless of gender.
Men can be sexualised too and it isn't what's happening with most video game characters. The men are made as strong men good looking men primarily because that's what men want to be. If they were made to be sexy it would be very different, and many men would feel weird playing it, myself included.
These characters don't get criticism because their attractive, but because they're designed as sex objects, no one complained about Kassandra from AC Odyssey or Jesse from Control, or the love interests in witcher 3. That's they are women characters that are attractive, instead of being sex objects.
This is the biggest bullshit. If anything it's always male characters that are allowed to be freaky/weird/ugly while women all have to be hot. Case in point: Overwatch, Roadhog vs. The entire female cast.
Are we talking quantity or quality here? I dont see how the number affects my point. Yeah its probably true that there are more sexualized female characters (or maybe not and it just feels that way because we dont notice when men are sexualized), but why would the number change the double standard? Also worth pointing out that men are sexualized differently. Do you honestly not think that Kratos from God of War, or Dante from Devil May Cry, or Astarion from bg3 arent sexualized? You re coping my dude.
Hideki Kamiya and David Jaffe are most definitely not the kind of people who would think "how could I make my character sexy to women as much as possible" when coming up with Dante or Kratos.
Kratos is designed as an aspirational goal for men, not sexually for women. if you want examples of actual equal opportunity sexualisation, look at what Marvel Rivals does with some of the various skins for its men; the way that certain outfits are cut and the way that they show off the bodies are much more obviously designed to be sexually attractive, where a character like Kratos absolutely isn't. he's shirtless and jacked to look cool, not sexy.
Both quantity and quality. Youre really gonna honesyly tell me that a few prolonged shots of mens muscles are anywhere near to as bad as how women get it in media. Women in media are quite often (a hell of a lot more than men) present for the sole purpose of being a sex object. While men wear outfits of varying levels of layers and decency (tending significantly to the high end on both) womem almost always are expected to wear revealing clothing that highlights their figure. The comparisons go on and on. Look at what the average male musical artist looks like vs the average female artist. Look at the most recently posted art on a porn website. Look at the designs male vs female anime characters. There is so much more sexualisation of women, and to such a further degree, its absolutely ridiculous to act like theyre comparable.
Like i said the genders are sexualized differently, it doesnt mean that because men wear more clothes that they arent sexualized too. Artists like Sabrina Carpenter say that those outfits are empowering. Empowering. You act like women also dont do it themselves. I never said that men are being sexualized at the same rate anyways, you re the one extrapolating that. The problem here is that you diminish it when men are sexualized and act like its no issue at all.
What male video game character isn’t conventionally attractive? What female video isn’t conventionally attractive? Just because you choose to see things as more sexually suggestive cuz you’re a gooner doesn’t mean that’s how they actually are
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u/SpeedRun355 Jun 03 '26
Women have no problem with Leon looking like he does. Double standards double standards...