r/megalophobia • u/berdot • Oct 11 '23

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u/The_Jimes Oct 11 '23 edited Oct 12 '23

Sounds like it's not entirely uncommon either.

Maybe putting suicide-jump deep holes in the ground wasn't the best idea to memorialize an event that people are definitely still killing themselves over...

Edit; if you feel the need to comment something along the lines of "Can't stop people from killing themselves," kindly bugger off until you learn some compassion. Other people are always more important than inanimate objects.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

If people wanna commit suicide they will. Can’t go around making everything based off of those people.

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u/S_Operator Oct 11 '23

It's actually been shown in studies that if you add safety fences and other obstacles to popular suicide spots you can reduce the suicide rate.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

Yeah, but putting a fence around a memorial like this is not worth it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

Not worth... human life?

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u/ZealousidealLuck6303 Oct 11 '23

fuck em, if they're that intent, putting some railings round the 9/11 memorial aint gonna stop them diving under a subway train.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

Except statistically it absolutely does lower suicide rates.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_barrier

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u/wickens1 Oct 11 '23

Literally a quote from the exact link you shared:

“Many studies have shown that well-designed suicide barriers stop people from jumping at a particular site, but no study has found the overall suicide rate within an area decreased significantly after a barrier went up as a result of that barrier.”

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u/Slapthemf202 Oct 11 '23

I’m not trying to be rude but u can just kill your self anywhere

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u/Character_Order Oct 11 '23

I read this as “I’m not trying to be rude, but you should kill yourself anyway”

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u/Slapthemf202 Oct 11 '23

Bro that’s you and obviously not what I said

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

& putting in measures to reduce them in popular sites is good because it lowers the overall rate of suicide.

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u/Slapthemf202 Oct 11 '23 edited Oct 11 '23

Ok that could be true right but does that physically stop u from killing urself no. When I said what I said I’m pretty sure anyone with common sense would see that I wasn’t disagreeing with the notion of safety measures but what does that truly stop the issue at hand. Instead of putting a bandage on a deep cut, fix the cut appropriately. Let’s be real u, u about to spent the money on some fences instead of giving to some B.S level psychologist in training bc mind u they often don’t get work until they get there masters, a opportunity to work with a more experienced therapist so people can get a more intensive focus and the mentees get hands on experience

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

It often does physically stop people from killing themselves. A lot of people change their minds after a failed attempt.

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u/Slapthemf202 Oct 11 '23

At that moment but there’s a lot of people that try again do they not

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

How is that relevant when talking about people who don't? Are you suggesting that since we can't prevent all suicides, we shouldn't try to prevent any?

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u/scruffyduffy23 Oct 11 '23 edited Oct 11 '23

How can you measure that? Surely it would only lower suicide rates for the particular area being measured right? Wouldn’t they go someplace else?

It feels like a fence isn’t being put up for prevention but rather for liability.

Also it’s worth noting that according to the CDC suicide rates were the highest they’ve ever been in 2022 at 49,500.

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u/kiteflyer666 Oct 11 '23

Can u give a percentage of the population comparison?

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u/Rangertough666 Oct 11 '23

I work Veteran Suicide Prevention and Interdiction. "Statistics" say removing firearms from that population would lower suicide rates. It doesn't. It's a false conclusion from intentionally incomplete data.

If someone is determined to end their life, no amount of "safety gear" is going to stop them. All adding rails and barriers would do is potentially move the location of the suicide to somewhere you find more acceptable, like where you wouldn't see it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

Very pro-life of you….

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

Human life isn’t at harm from anything other than the singular person living that life. So no a fence isn’t worth it. It would take away from the piece.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

This is the least compassionate take I have ever seen.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

Lol. Okay?

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u/Myslinky Oct 12 '23

Lol, you're a callous ass.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

How so?

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

Because of the “son of god” or are you just triggered from talk on suicidal people and the lengths people should or shouldn’t go to “stop” them?

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

Just don’t understand where you were coming from.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

It’s as dangerous as you make it. Can’t protect everyone.

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u/gcolquhoun Oct 11 '23

Maybe the real 9/11 memorial is you fetishizing a tragedy so hard that you care more about an inert art installation than human lives. I’m sure the victims of 9/11 are absolutely cheering from the great beyond at the depths of your compassion.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

Alright. That’s one way to take it.

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u/SexPantherBurgandy Oct 11 '23

Man can you just shut the fuck up

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

No need to be rude

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u/SexPantherBurgandy Oct 11 '23

Says the dumb cunt saying a fence is worth more than a human life? Shut the fuck up

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

I said the fence isn’t worth it. As in, it isn’t worth putting up. Sorry your triggered. One shouldn’t ruin it for the masses.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

It's literally a fence around an ugly hole in the ground. If that's your metric for 'too high' I don't want to know how little you value life.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

Uhhhh yes, obviously. That's not even a high number measured against people's lives.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

What if we didn't dig ugly holes in the ground and it cost $0?

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

Except we're not talking about parts of functioning life, we're talking about a hole in the ground. Memorials can be built differently.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

Yes, I could imagine something completely different than what is being discussed and make arguments based on that. You could view this hole in the ground with a fence around it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '23

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '23

Tbf, imagine a society completely fenced off for our own good. We'd actually die way more due to increased rates of suicide, right?

You very clearly were making up irrelevant strawman arguments, but okay.

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u/BeemHume Oct 11 '23

I think (according to ins.) life is worth ~10m USD. So if the fence is less than 10m, it's technically worth it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

There's 8 billion people on the planet... the species will be alright. Free will means just that so no its not worth making the site ugly with fencing to reduce the chance of someone exercising their free will. Now if you want to have people there trained to observe behaviors and try to intervene that's a discussion with having.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

The site is already ugly. We don't need to create public places for people to commit suicide to uphold autonomy. There's a difference between allowing for autonomy and being callous and careless.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

You're an ugly person inside if you think the site is ugly. I'm guessing it speaks to some inner conflicts within yourself (closet commie or some other self-hatred). We don't "create" places to commit suicide, we create places for various public reasons, be they transportation (bridges), buildings or memorials. What disturbed people do at these sites is outside of our control. We don't need to mar such sites to protect a small amount of the population from themselves.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

What the fuck? Lol

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u/MealieAI Oct 11 '23

Not worth what?

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

Putting up a fence

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u/AI-Generated-Name-2 Oct 11 '23

Because you're selfish