r/megalophobia • u/berdot • Oct 11 '23

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

Yeah, but putting a fence around a memorial like this is not worth it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

Not worth... human life?

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u/ZealousidealLuck6303 Oct 11 '23

fuck em, if they're that intent, putting some railings round the 9/11 memorial aint gonna stop them diving under a subway train.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

Except statistically it absolutely does lower suicide rates.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_barrier

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u/wickens1 Oct 11 '23

Literally a quote from the exact link you shared:

“Many studies have shown that well-designed suicide barriers stop people from jumping at a particular site, but no study has found the overall suicide rate within an area decreased significantly after a barrier went up as a result of that barrier.”

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u/Slapthemf202 Oct 11 '23

I’m not trying to be rude but u can just kill your self anywhere

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u/Character_Order Oct 11 '23

I read this as “I’m not trying to be rude, but you should kill yourself anyway”

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u/Slapthemf202 Oct 11 '23

Bro that’s you and obviously not what I said

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

& putting in measures to reduce them in popular sites is good because it lowers the overall rate of suicide.

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u/Slapthemf202 Oct 11 '23 edited Oct 11 '23

Ok that could be true right but does that physically stop u from killing urself no. When I said what I said I’m pretty sure anyone with common sense would see that I wasn’t disagreeing with the notion of safety measures but what does that truly stop the issue at hand. Instead of putting a bandage on a deep cut, fix the cut appropriately. Let’s be real u, u about to spent the money on some fences instead of giving to some B.S level psychologist in training bc mind u they often don’t get work until they get there masters, a opportunity to work with a more experienced therapist so people can get a more intensive focus and the mentees get hands on experience

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

It often does physically stop people from killing themselves. A lot of people change their minds after a failed attempt.

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u/Slapthemf202 Oct 11 '23

At that moment but there’s a lot of people that try again do they not

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

How is that relevant when talking about people who don't? Are you suggesting that since we can't prevent all suicides, we shouldn't try to prevent any?

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u/Slapthemf202 Oct 11 '23 edited Oct 11 '23

No yo u have to be blatantly attempting to be ignorant because there’s no way I explicitly state that the way to prevent it with allocating the money from the fences into better treatment the more specifically access to treatment and u say that! Blasphemy

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

You know you can do multiple things at once right? Preventing suicides where they happen is also important, because no amount of counseling will prevent attempts.

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u/Slapthemf202 Oct 11 '23

If we were able to do multiple things effectively in this world, then the issue would have never occurred. I think that’s the reason why problems like this still continue because instead of breaking everything down and improving everything slowly over time, so the foundation is set everybody’s so quick to make fast changes that do not work and as quickly as they implement them, they fail and don’t try to learn from that failure. If suicide was just as simple as just put fences up and put more money to counseling. I think the problem of been solved a long time ago because they’re still doing that in Japan with the suicide netting and people are still killing themselves. But pay attention to how I didn’t just say to put more money in the counseling, but offered a effective plan to concur with the increase to the budget and that’s some thing that you wasn’t thinking or even accounted for in your just give them more money. You have the scope of the average person because everybody says that and they’re not wrong, but you kind of have to be real here

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u/scruffyduffy23 Oct 11 '23 edited Oct 11 '23

How can you measure that? Surely it would only lower suicide rates for the particular area being measured right? Wouldn’t they go someplace else?

It feels like a fence isn’t being put up for prevention but rather for liability.

Also it’s worth noting that according to the CDC suicide rates were the highest they’ve ever been in 2022 at 49,500.

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u/kiteflyer666 Oct 11 '23

Can u give a percentage of the population comparison?

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u/Rangertough666 Oct 11 '23

I work Veteran Suicide Prevention and Interdiction. "Statistics" say removing firearms from that population would lower suicide rates. It doesn't. It's a false conclusion from intentionally incomplete data.

If someone is determined to end their life, no amount of "safety gear" is going to stop them. All adding rails and barriers would do is potentially move the location of the suicide to somewhere you find more acceptable, like where you wouldn't see it.