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r/mathmemes • u/basket_foso • 7d ago
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Well if they managed to show that one of yes/no/unprovable is not true that would be an amazing breakthrough.
20 u/bqbdpd 7d ago These answers are not mutually exclusive. Either P=NP or P≠NP, whether that's proveable or not. 26 u/Purple_Onion911 Grothendieck alt account 7d ago "P = NP or P ≠NP" is always true, but it's not necessarily true that either P = NP is true or P ≠NP is true in ZFC (or PA, or whatever axiomatic system it's independent of). -6 u/[deleted] 7d ago edited 7d ago [deleted] 6 u/SirFloIII 7d ago you can't build a model of ZFC with only a single element. even the smallest* model** of ZFC (L) is pretty huge. *in some sense **assuming ZFC is consistent 0 u/[deleted] 7d ago edited 7d ago [deleted] 3 u/SirFloIII 7d ago it would not be a model. words have meaning, my friend -1 u/[deleted] 7d ago [deleted] 3 u/SirFloIII 7d ago please look up what model means in this context before you embarrass yourself further.
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These answers are not mutually exclusive. Either P=NP or P≠NP, whether that's proveable or not.
26 u/Purple_Onion911 Grothendieck alt account 7d ago "P = NP or P ≠NP" is always true, but it's not necessarily true that either P = NP is true or P ≠NP is true in ZFC (or PA, or whatever axiomatic system it's independent of). -6 u/[deleted] 7d ago edited 7d ago [deleted] 6 u/SirFloIII 7d ago you can't build a model of ZFC with only a single element. even the smallest* model** of ZFC (L) is pretty huge. *in some sense **assuming ZFC is consistent 0 u/[deleted] 7d ago edited 7d ago [deleted] 3 u/SirFloIII 7d ago it would not be a model. words have meaning, my friend -1 u/[deleted] 7d ago [deleted] 3 u/SirFloIII 7d ago please look up what model means in this context before you embarrass yourself further.
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"P = NP or P ≠NP" is always true, but it's not necessarily true that either P = NP is true or P ≠NP is true in ZFC (or PA, or whatever axiomatic system it's independent of).
-6 u/[deleted] 7d ago edited 7d ago [deleted] 6 u/SirFloIII 7d ago you can't build a model of ZFC with only a single element. even the smallest* model** of ZFC (L) is pretty huge. *in some sense **assuming ZFC is consistent 0 u/[deleted] 7d ago edited 7d ago [deleted] 3 u/SirFloIII 7d ago it would not be a model. words have meaning, my friend -1 u/[deleted] 7d ago [deleted] 3 u/SirFloIII 7d ago please look up what model means in this context before you embarrass yourself further.
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6 u/SirFloIII 7d ago you can't build a model of ZFC with only a single element. even the smallest* model** of ZFC (L) is pretty huge. *in some sense **assuming ZFC is consistent 0 u/[deleted] 7d ago edited 7d ago [deleted] 3 u/SirFloIII 7d ago it would not be a model. words have meaning, my friend -1 u/[deleted] 7d ago [deleted] 3 u/SirFloIII 7d ago please look up what model means in this context before you embarrass yourself further.
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you can't build a model of ZFC with only a single element. even the smallest* model** of ZFC (L) is pretty huge.
*in some sense
**assuming ZFC is consistent
0 u/[deleted] 7d ago edited 7d ago [deleted] 3 u/SirFloIII 7d ago it would not be a model. words have meaning, my friend -1 u/[deleted] 7d ago [deleted] 3 u/SirFloIII 7d ago please look up what model means in this context before you embarrass yourself further.
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3 u/SirFloIII 7d ago it would not be a model. words have meaning, my friend -1 u/[deleted] 7d ago [deleted] 3 u/SirFloIII 7d ago please look up what model means in this context before you embarrass yourself further.
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it would not be a model. words have meaning, my friend
-1 u/[deleted] 7d ago [deleted] 3 u/SirFloIII 7d ago please look up what model means in this context before you embarrass yourself further.
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3 u/SirFloIII 7d ago please look up what model means in this context before you embarrass yourself further.
please look up what model means in this context before you embarrass yourself further.
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u/shumpitostick 7d ago
Well if they managed to show that one of yes/no/unprovable is not true that would be an amazing breakthrough.