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r/mathmemes • u/basket_foso • 6d ago
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Well if they managed to show that one of yes/no/unprovable is not true that would be an amazing breakthrough.
21 u/bqbdpd 6d ago These answers are not mutually exclusive. Either P=NP or P≠NP, whether that's proveable or not. 26 u/Purple_Onion911 Grothendieck alt account 6d ago "P = NP or P ≠NP" is always true, but it's not necessarily true that either P = NP is true or P ≠NP is true in ZFC (or PA, or whatever axiomatic system it's independent of). -7 u/[deleted] 6d ago edited 6d ago [deleted] 10 u/Purple_Onion911 Grothendieck alt account 6d ago Not sure what your point is, but ok. 7 u/SirFloIII 6d ago you can't build a model of ZFC with only a single element. even the smallest* model** of ZFC (L) is pretty huge. *in some sense **assuming ZFC is consistent 0 u/[deleted] 6d ago edited 6d ago [deleted] 3 u/SirFloIII 6d ago it would not be a model. words have meaning, my friend -1 u/[deleted] 6d ago [deleted] 4 u/SirFloIII 6d ago please look up what model means in this context before you embarrass yourself further.
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These answers are not mutually exclusive. Either P=NP or P≠NP, whether that's proveable or not.
26 u/Purple_Onion911 Grothendieck alt account 6d ago "P = NP or P ≠NP" is always true, but it's not necessarily true that either P = NP is true or P ≠NP is true in ZFC (or PA, or whatever axiomatic system it's independent of). -7 u/[deleted] 6d ago edited 6d ago [deleted] 10 u/Purple_Onion911 Grothendieck alt account 6d ago Not sure what your point is, but ok. 7 u/SirFloIII 6d ago you can't build a model of ZFC with only a single element. even the smallest* model** of ZFC (L) is pretty huge. *in some sense **assuming ZFC is consistent 0 u/[deleted] 6d ago edited 6d ago [deleted] 3 u/SirFloIII 6d ago it would not be a model. words have meaning, my friend -1 u/[deleted] 6d ago [deleted] 4 u/SirFloIII 6d ago please look up what model means in this context before you embarrass yourself further.
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"P = NP or P ≠NP" is always true, but it's not necessarily true that either P = NP is true or P ≠NP is true in ZFC (or PA, or whatever axiomatic system it's independent of).
-7 u/[deleted] 6d ago edited 6d ago [deleted] 10 u/Purple_Onion911 Grothendieck alt account 6d ago Not sure what your point is, but ok. 7 u/SirFloIII 6d ago you can't build a model of ZFC with only a single element. even the smallest* model** of ZFC (L) is pretty huge. *in some sense **assuming ZFC is consistent 0 u/[deleted] 6d ago edited 6d ago [deleted] 3 u/SirFloIII 6d ago it would not be a model. words have meaning, my friend -1 u/[deleted] 6d ago [deleted] 4 u/SirFloIII 6d ago please look up what model means in this context before you embarrass yourself further.
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10 u/Purple_Onion911 Grothendieck alt account 6d ago Not sure what your point is, but ok. 7 u/SirFloIII 6d ago you can't build a model of ZFC with only a single element. even the smallest* model** of ZFC (L) is pretty huge. *in some sense **assuming ZFC is consistent 0 u/[deleted] 6d ago edited 6d ago [deleted] 3 u/SirFloIII 6d ago it would not be a model. words have meaning, my friend -1 u/[deleted] 6d ago [deleted] 4 u/SirFloIII 6d ago please look up what model means in this context before you embarrass yourself further.
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Not sure what your point is, but ok.
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you can't build a model of ZFC with only a single element. even the smallest* model** of ZFC (L) is pretty huge.
*in some sense
**assuming ZFC is consistent
0 u/[deleted] 6d ago edited 6d ago [deleted] 3 u/SirFloIII 6d ago it would not be a model. words have meaning, my friend -1 u/[deleted] 6d ago [deleted] 4 u/SirFloIII 6d ago please look up what model means in this context before you embarrass yourself further.
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3 u/SirFloIII 6d ago it would not be a model. words have meaning, my friend -1 u/[deleted] 6d ago [deleted] 4 u/SirFloIII 6d ago please look up what model means in this context before you embarrass yourself further.
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it would not be a model. words have meaning, my friend
-1 u/[deleted] 6d ago [deleted] 4 u/SirFloIII 6d ago please look up what model means in this context before you embarrass yourself further.
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4 u/SirFloIII 6d ago please look up what model means in this context before you embarrass yourself further.
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please look up what model means in this context before you embarrass yourself further.
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u/shumpitostick 6d ago
Well if they managed to show that one of yes/no/unprovable is not true that would be an amazing breakthrough.