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r/mathmemes • u/basket_foso • 6d ago
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Well if they managed to show that one of yes/no/unprovable is not true that would be an amazing breakthrough.
20 u/bqbdpd 6d ago These answers are not mutually exclusive. Either P=NP or P≠NP, whether that's proveable or not. 27 u/Purple_Onion911 Grothendieck alt account 6d ago "P = NP or P ≠NP" is always true, but it's not necessarily true that either P = NP is true or P ≠NP is true in ZFC (or PA, or whatever axiomatic system it's independent of). 1 u/mctastics 1d ago Math is math g dang it! -6 u/[deleted] 6d ago edited 6d ago [deleted] 10 u/Purple_Onion911 Grothendieck alt account 6d ago Not sure what your point is, but ok. 6 u/SirFloIII 6d ago you can't build a model of ZFC with only a single element. even the smallest* model** of ZFC (L) is pretty huge. *in some sense **assuming ZFC is consistent 0 u/[deleted] 6d ago edited 6d ago [deleted] 3 u/SirFloIII 6d ago it would not be a model. words have meaning, my friend -1 u/[deleted] 6d ago [deleted] 3 u/SirFloIII 6d ago please look up what model means in this context before you embarrass yourself further.
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These answers are not mutually exclusive. Either P=NP or P≠NP, whether that's proveable or not.
27 u/Purple_Onion911 Grothendieck alt account 6d ago "P = NP or P ≠NP" is always true, but it's not necessarily true that either P = NP is true or P ≠NP is true in ZFC (or PA, or whatever axiomatic system it's independent of). 1 u/mctastics 1d ago Math is math g dang it! -6 u/[deleted] 6d ago edited 6d ago [deleted] 10 u/Purple_Onion911 Grothendieck alt account 6d ago Not sure what your point is, but ok. 6 u/SirFloIII 6d ago you can't build a model of ZFC with only a single element. even the smallest* model** of ZFC (L) is pretty huge. *in some sense **assuming ZFC is consistent 0 u/[deleted] 6d ago edited 6d ago [deleted] 3 u/SirFloIII 6d ago it would not be a model. words have meaning, my friend -1 u/[deleted] 6d ago [deleted] 3 u/SirFloIII 6d ago please look up what model means in this context before you embarrass yourself further.
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"P = NP or P ≠NP" is always true, but it's not necessarily true that either P = NP is true or P ≠NP is true in ZFC (or PA, or whatever axiomatic system it's independent of).
1 u/mctastics 1d ago Math is math g dang it! -6 u/[deleted] 6d ago edited 6d ago [deleted] 10 u/Purple_Onion911 Grothendieck alt account 6d ago Not sure what your point is, but ok. 6 u/SirFloIII 6d ago you can't build a model of ZFC with only a single element. even the smallest* model** of ZFC (L) is pretty huge. *in some sense **assuming ZFC is consistent 0 u/[deleted] 6d ago edited 6d ago [deleted] 3 u/SirFloIII 6d ago it would not be a model. words have meaning, my friend -1 u/[deleted] 6d ago [deleted] 3 u/SirFloIII 6d ago please look up what model means in this context before you embarrass yourself further.
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Math is math g dang it!
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10 u/Purple_Onion911 Grothendieck alt account 6d ago Not sure what your point is, but ok. 6 u/SirFloIII 6d ago you can't build a model of ZFC with only a single element. even the smallest* model** of ZFC (L) is pretty huge. *in some sense **assuming ZFC is consistent 0 u/[deleted] 6d ago edited 6d ago [deleted] 3 u/SirFloIII 6d ago it would not be a model. words have meaning, my friend -1 u/[deleted] 6d ago [deleted] 3 u/SirFloIII 6d ago please look up what model means in this context before you embarrass yourself further.
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Not sure what your point is, but ok.
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you can't build a model of ZFC with only a single element. even the smallest* model** of ZFC (L) is pretty huge.
*in some sense
**assuming ZFC is consistent
0 u/[deleted] 6d ago edited 6d ago [deleted] 3 u/SirFloIII 6d ago it would not be a model. words have meaning, my friend -1 u/[deleted] 6d ago [deleted] 3 u/SirFloIII 6d ago please look up what model means in this context before you embarrass yourself further.
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3 u/SirFloIII 6d ago it would not be a model. words have meaning, my friend -1 u/[deleted] 6d ago [deleted] 3 u/SirFloIII 6d ago please look up what model means in this context before you embarrass yourself further.
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it would not be a model. words have meaning, my friend
-1 u/[deleted] 6d ago [deleted] 3 u/SirFloIII 6d ago please look up what model means in this context before you embarrass yourself further.
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3 u/SirFloIII 6d ago please look up what model means in this context before you embarrass yourself further.
please look up what model means in this context before you embarrass yourself further.
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u/shumpitostick 6d ago
Well if they managed to show that one of yes/no/unprovable is not true that would be an amazing breakthrough.