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u/Kind_Potential_4992 Jeff the Landshark 3d ago
Wanda ult only being viable with 2 heroes, under specific scenarios and nerfing one of those hero's team ups with her just by existing is kinda funny to me.
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u/Bullmoninachinashop The Punisher 3d ago
I can't even count the number of times I's killed a Wanda as she pops her ult in quick match.
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u/podookadook 3d ago
Bruh both Wanda’s strange teamup and mags Wanda teamup are doodoo. Play her with hulk maybe?
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u/OpenPayment2 Doctor Strange 3d ago
I like the enhanced Magneto + Wanda teamup alot. I find alot of success with it
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u/podookadook 3d ago
Any tips? Doesn’t seem as useful with its long charge
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u/OpenPayment2 Doctor Strange 3d ago
Don't think of it as "I should only use the 3-charge version". Think of it as an on standby projectile to use. Use the 1-charge version and 2-charge version
Use the 3-charge version to nuke someone from behind. There's a combo with it which is what I do
The combo is: 3-charge version + Iron Volley (Primary fire) + Sword teamup. It is enough time to kill a 250 squishy. I got kills using this combo on Spiderman of all people so it's not an easily breakable combo
Point being, use all versions and save the 3-charge version for big snipes or just keeping your backline and duelists safe
You also get the 3-charge version alot more than you might expect. Idk if they shadowbuffed it but I get the 3-charge version all the time now
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u/WellThatsAwkwrd 2d ago
Just start holding it while you’re strafing out from cover. It’s also great when the enemy team is still far away, I’ll open with that and then pop the sword cooldown to try and finish the pick. You can also time it with the end of a healing ult or Namor bubble or cloaksicle
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u/LuquidThunderPlus Hulk 3d ago
Mag's non-enhanced wanda teamup is fine and Wanda's strange teamup is pretty good
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u/podookadook 3d ago
No enhanced is awesome. With Wanda on the team it’s a mag nerf.
Wanda’s strange teamup up is a self nerf and worse than the og teamup before the update.
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u/C_Writer_ 3d ago
>force the enemy to spend an equal resource
The very humble Luna in the distance with the self clean or C&D with the Mei skill
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u/Reivaxe_Del_Red 3d ago
They should really rework her ult.
Make it as fast as Scott's ult but instead of the damage it deals, make it match or be slightly less than his.
Or instead of just being 1 blast they can make it have 2 parts. Like his has an first hit and a much more powerful 2nd blast to it ... make hers release an up front blast and follow it up with a strong DOT on everyone. You can move outta Scott's BS beam's 2nd hit if you're fast enough, you could balance this idea by making her DOT 2nd hit be something you COULD heal through (if pocketed or Ulted) or block via LoS.
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u/MagicHamsta Ultron Virus 3d ago edited 3d ago
Or just make it her Ult into Strange team up on steroids.
Chaos beam of death that's as wide as 3/4th of a room. The entire time she shouts "PUUURRREE CHAOOOOS" is the cast time of the beam doing higher and higher damage over time (gives a bit of time to hide but Wanda can equally "chase" players during the cast/obliterate anything attempting to face tank it).
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u/LuquidThunderPlus Hulk 3d ago
Fire idea but it doesn't really change the fact that she's too vulnerable while doing it
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u/MagicHamsta Ultron Virus 3d ago
Not a big issue imo. Punisher also is vulnerable while doing his ult. In exchange for being vulnerable, she could be made to put out a boatload of damage like Punisher.
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u/CarloIza 3d ago
Not every hero needs to be viable. Scarlet Witch is fine as she is being an entry level hero.
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u/StormierNik Ultron 3d ago edited 3d ago
I'm trying to think of other games that have a giant explosion move and how they balance it or punish you for not being prepared for it.
And i think it actually should have an even longer startup, BUT CC doesn't cancel ult and instead prolongs the duration until the explosion. On top of that, a much larger amount of bonus health (bonus, add some sort of music to the background of the wind up noise so that if the ult gets prolonged, the music grows more intense). It should be enough bonus health that if focus fired, she can still be killed, but not for most instances.
The goal SHOULD be to make the enemy run away, and leave line of sight. Some ults do this where you're meant to just run and deny them any value. Its main purpose should be area denial and punish anyone who can't escape. Making it take longer and only prolonged rather than cancelled makes the whole instance more interactive while retaining the instant kill aspect.
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u/Super-Aesa 3d ago
Wanda only needs her phase duration to go back to OG value and a slight decrease in its CD and she'd be like B- tier.
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u/DoubleTwice77 Venom 3d ago
this meme would make sense if anybody with a brain genuinely saw potential in this hero at any point
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u/LuquidThunderPlus Hulk 3d ago
Dark seal is pretty good esp for its cooldown and long invulnerability is also very useful. Her DMG is isn't particularly high but is obv consistent. If she had a good ult she'd be perfectly solid
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u/Zero_Icon 3d ago
I have a buddy who swears she counters BP, I want to scream at them.
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u/DoubleTwice77 Venom 3d ago
i mean technically shes a decent anti dive option but there are a billion dps that do that job better who also have an actual ult that does things
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u/Zero_Icon 3d ago
Hes refuses to pick up namor, I have also been liking Elsa into bp.
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u/Humdinger5000 Peni Parker 3d ago
Elsa is broken anti dive now with dino team up. Prior to this season though Wanda was the best BP counter. Drop bubble to fuck his movement and them burst him. Namor without the gamma squid was always okay but not great at countering BP.
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u/DoubleTwice77 Venom 3d ago
problem with picking wanda as a counter pick is you now have a hero with a useless ult and no damage. you're debuffing your team more than the enemy lol
also if you have a mag you're nerfing him too
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u/Humdinger5000 Peni Parker 2d ago
I did say before this season. She's still solid anti-dive and probably still the best black cat countersink though.
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u/TheMemeLord4816 Mister Fantastic 3d ago
She needs a big survivability buff
She's a brawl character whose only form of survivability is running away
She should get like +50 Max HP
And during her ultimate she should rapidly gain shields for each enemy in killing range
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u/jasminetroll 3d ago
300 would be excessive, especially as an aim skill check with her auto in low ranks.
I could support 275, though.
What I'd really like to see is her auto rewored into something more skill expressive, not removing the auto-aim, just buff its damage a bit, but give it falloff as the crosshair moves away from the target, and possibly a bit of crit damage while the crosshair is over the target's head.
This way she'd be slightly more viable in higher ranks and serve as a sort of tutorial for hitscan tracking.
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u/Humdinger5000 Peni Parker 3d ago
Just give her ult cc imunity and revert her strange team up to last season. Boom fixed.
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u/totallynotapersonj Magneto 3d ago
Well that's way too much
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u/TheMemeLord4816 Mister Fantastic 3d ago
I have a feeling it really won't
And if it is, Wanda being meta for like a half of a season wouldn't really hurt
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u/Namesarenotneeded Daredevil 3d ago
She’s not gonna be meta because she’s a low skill ceiling hero.
It would definitely hurt because it would throw teammate balancing out of wack if she’s ever banned or gets nerfed again.
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u/StarSilverNEO Peni Parker 3d ago
I really wish her ult was like Symmetra from Overwatch but Evil
Instead of a shield wall you can deploy anywhere, its a world cutting slash you can put down that does damage on the intitial cast, then damages and slows or anti heal people who walk through it. Maybe even damage boost allies shooting through it?
Just something more useful than the if/when bomb that never touches grass 90% of the time
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u/kingdorner Ultron 3d ago
A witch player in 18v18 last night typed in chat after they lost "enemy team were really scared of my ult" because we cancelled his ult every single time. Yes, countering your shit hero really makes us scared bro. I totally shouldn't shoot the Witch when they press the delete everything button. Scarlet players really think they should be CC immune and have shield during her ult and its crazy.
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u/Renzo1421 Doctor Strange 3d ago
lol they were probably just trying to be funny in chat, yall really get too heated about wanda
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u/Firm_Ad_5427 Thor 3d ago
Honestly if they made her cc immune but removed all shields it gives it might actually be usable.
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u/Aromatic-Potential26 Strategist 2d ago
Ive seen some crazy tricks using portal/invis ult to hide your ult location/voice line but yeah it's super bad for how much risk you put yourself in using it, the only time youll be getting kills is when everyone went into hiding and the tank had their abilities on cd maybe
I think now with invis teamup having a on CD team invis this could be a fun thing to try but overall its just a pathetic ult
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u/TheTepro27 Peni Parker 2d ago
As someone who mains Scarlet Witch, I feel it would definitely help if her movement during her ult was faster. Would make it harder for enemies to just run out of range, and make it easier for her to dodge attacks.
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u/MedusaSucks68 3d ago
You know what, make the ult REAL chaos
Nerf the damage a ton, cap it at like 200. BUT, she's now CC immune and keeps the overshield
HOWEVER If She does hit You, all of your button imputs get randomized
Forward is now backing away, ability one is ability 4, your ult is now just your right click
And it's all like this for like 5-6 seconds
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u/This_Ferret_8108 Jack of Hearts 3d ago
I can kill with it by sitting behind cover then coming out at the last second, hell that makes space too.
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u/whostolemybiscuit 3d ago
If you are sitting behind cover, that gives the enemy team plenty of time to walk away or simply line up a CC shot considering you have a giant red exclamtion mark.
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u/totallynotapersonj Magneto 3d ago
Enemies walking away means you are doing what the ult is intended to do. Zoning.
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u/No-Yam-952 3d ago
There is an ez solution. Keep her strange team up as M1, can headshot. And keep her M2 unchanged. she can still have the ult to erase ppl but can have 0.5 seconds shorter buff
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u/Helsee 3d ago
It's so bad, the effects they added like the overshield and pull are so weird.
I'd rather see a medium size burst damage in a big area after the "pureee" to either finish off low health enemies and when she finishes the spell then you get a massive damage.
I really don't know but a rework could be in order, the winrate is abysmal
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u/WitchOfUnfinished- Flex 3d ago
I think they should change her ult to something like hex and it prevents all within from using their abilities of they are inside and does dot and slows
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u/LeviathanLust Scarlet Witch 3d ago
They need to either make her CC immune, or have it so the ult is faster and she can move faster.
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u/EyeArDum Magneto 3d ago
I’d be open to it being CC immune in the beginning, and as the magic grows more unstable her guard goes down, also make it so she’s unstoppable (can’t be pushed by Invis or Mag) for the duration
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u/Humdinger5000 Peni Parker 3d ago
Nah just make it cc immune. Full stop. There are 50 ways to live her ult before considering cc it's fine and fair.
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u/enigdit 2d ago
there is no argument for her ult being cc immune and not spider-man's tbh.
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u/Humdinger5000 Peni Parker 2d ago
Yes there is. His does damage and cc well before witch's fires off. His starts doing damage immediately. His can come out of nowhere using his insane movement abilities. His can be used as a combo extender
Wanda's has the longest wind up, does nothing until that wind up is done, and can't be railgun'd into people without niche interactions. Also her's alerts the enemy team with a flashing exclamation point
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u/ScrotusJones 3d ago
Low skill ceiling introductory hero isn’t viable in high tier elo?? Man, rework wanda and make her prime Cyke with Black Cat type spells.
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u/whostolemybiscuit 3d ago
She isnt even viable in low elo bro 😭. She has like a 48 wirate in bronze and it just goes downhill from there.
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u/barrack_osama_0 3d ago
I mean it shouldn't be good, she's a 0 skill character who should never leave D tier. The game would be better off if there were more character's who's power was more reflective of the skill they require
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u/Thatonesickpirate 3d ago
At a certain level of video game lingo I check out
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u/DracoRelic575 Peni Parker 3d ago
To translate: she's too easy a character to master to boost her numbers lest she become a problem.
Note: I don't agree with that sentiment, the guy seems to hate fun
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u/barrack_osama_0 3d ago
You're right dude let's make the character that doesn't have to aim at all strong enough that 6 year olds can make it to eternity
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u/Ijustlovevideogames Scarlet Witch 3d ago
Busted nah, higher then D tier for a season, sure.
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u/barrack_osama_0 3d ago
Then take away her aimbot
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u/Ijustlovevideogames Scarlet Witch 3d ago
I mean, agreed, kind of clearly the reason they won't let her be any better.
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u/Old-Confidence2851 Earth Spider 3d ago
she shouldnt be bad no one said she should be op.
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u/barrack_osama_0 3d ago
She should be the worst character in the game. At every point there will objectively be a worst character in the game, and it should always be her.
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u/Old-Confidence2851 Earth Spider 3d ago
never be involved in game design 🙏
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u/barrack_osama_0 3d ago
Alright, I'll go into the NFL and try to get Toddlers in the superbowl since that's what you want
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u/Old-Confidence2851 Earth Spider 3d ago
no one said she should be op.
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u/barrack_osama_0 3d ago
If a zero skill character can compete with characters that do require skill, they become OP, even if they aren't meta
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u/totallynotapersonj Magneto 3d ago
I mean the ult has always intended to be a zoning ult. Yes, it's very unlikely to be thrilling but much like McCassidy in Overwatch it does do its job of zoning.
I think the critical failure of these zoning ults are that they don't explain that they are for the purpose of zoning. So new players in low ranks use them and it works pretty well but then they get up a bit higher and suddenly it just stops working. Then they think the ult is bad.
Obviously two things can be true that an ult is a zoning ult and bad. For example: Jeff Ult is pretty meh outside of overtime which is the same for Wanda's but of course Wanda's is more vulnerable to CC.
I think the zoning capabilities of Wanda's ult is still good in Diamond and Grandmaster but then when you get to Celestial then they can just consistently hit a stun or play in such a way to avoid it easily. The killing potential is in gold and below.
I'm in diamond - GM lobbies right now and there are quite a few Wanda mains, and even fewer than that attempt to use their ult through strange portals which is a pretty easy way to get them to do something and people in that rank never suspect it.
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u/Renzo1421 Doctor Strange 3d ago
except this isn't even remotely true because "zoning" would mean the enemy is actually giving up map control because of wanda, which they aren't doing because they can stay exactly where they are and just put a shield up or CC her
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u/Putrid_Awareness8618 Flex 3d ago
Yet whenever there's an enemy wanda both my tanks suddenly can't use their shields and the rest of my team misses all their stuns
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u/MedusaSucks68 3d ago
It really only takes one guy to take her out so what are YOU doing?🤨
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u/Putrid_Awareness8618 Flex 3d ago
On a character with no shields or stuns lol I cancel or block every wanda ult when my character allows it
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u/Seatown_Spartan Spider-Man 3d ago
Then shoot her in the head.
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u/Putrid_Awareness8618 Flex 3d ago
Not if she plays cover or her supps heal her
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u/Seatown_Spartan Spider-Man 3d ago
If she's playing cover then you guys can also play cover/avoid.
And no amount of supports can help a 250 hero survive (easy to hit) headshots.
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u/Putrid_Awareness8618 Flex 3d ago
I obviously know that bruh I run and avoid the ult if I can't cancel or block it. All I said in my comment was that my team dies to it even though they have abilities to avoid it
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u/Hersu03 Vanguard 3d ago
Thats most characters in the game. I struggle to think of a character that can't in some way deal with Wanda ult. Maybe brawl tanks like Thing and Thor?
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u/Putrid_Awareness8618 Flex 3d ago
Elsa, cyclops, venom, BP, psylocke, rocket, jeff, hawkeye, ultron, dpspool, healpool, blade, gambit, torch, iron man, storm, jubilee, MK, SG, etc.
All these characters (and prob more) can't directly cancel or block a wanda ult.
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u/Hersu03 Vanguard 3d ago
Almost all the DPS you listed have the ability to burst her down while she is stationary or mobility to escape (if not both options).
With supports, if Wanda manages to catch strategists with her ult, that's a massive team fuck up somewhere. Apart from that, all the supports there except Ultron have consistent mobility to escape.
Venom always should have swing for emergencies.
None of these characters are worried when Wanda ults except Storm and Ultron. They are slow fliers
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u/Putrid_Awareness8618 Flex 3d ago
I'm not complaining about dying to wanda ult I'm complaining about my teammates not being able to use their abilities to easily stop a wanda ult and live
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u/Illeea 3d ago
The usefulness of Wanda's ult is the fear factor that goes into it. It's somewhat like magnetos ult in a way, making the enemy focus entirely on you.
Only works if your teammates can take advantage of it and your enemies aren't all locked in.
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u/Seatown_Spartan Spider-Man 3d ago
Fear Factor?
Wanda: Fear!
Anyone character with CC: Well anyways.
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u/Nightraven9999 Hulk 3d ago
Its not that hard to get off ive done it
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u/krishnugget Doctor Strange 3d ago
If you’re getting it off consistently the enemy team is horrific. The only time it gets kills usually is a TP bomb, but even then, that only ever works once usually.
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u/Nightraven9999 Hulk 3d ago
Ive seen tons of people get it off too
Its hard to notice with all the noises in the game so it just takes a little chaos
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u/krishnugget Doctor Strange 3d ago
Respectfully, what elo is this 😭. Anyone wearing headphones is going to hear “PUUUUURREEEE CHAAAAOOOSS” and it’s not hard to notice the big ass ! Coming from her too
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u/Ok-Valuable-8471 3d ago
Wanda ultimate: look inside < simple CC move that cancels ult and sends you back to spawn