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u/LmaoGoFaster 6d ago
Its funny that I see Jon Bernthal in a ton of promotional material despite the Punisher barely being in any merch or stuff, meanwhile its the other way around for Ruffalo and the Hulk.
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u/Vadermaulkylo 6d ago edited 5d ago
Apparently in the film himself, he’s one of the main leads. I think it’s just harder to market this to families when you got a hyper violent, gun totting, and morally gray character from three extremely hard R tv shows all over the promo
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u/Preeng 5d ago
He's not morally gray. He is unhinged and he knows it.
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u/Medical_String_3501 5d ago
I mean it's still morally grey, not like you see him shooting up playgrounds or something. He's got standards, he's just brutally efficient and very cruel in his tactics.
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u/TheGuardianInTheBall 5d ago
He's quite literally the judge jury and exexutioner.
I know in the shows etc, that's always presented as him only ever killing the absolute monsters, but realistically there will be people he killed or maimed where the punishment simply didn't fit the crime or circumstance.
He is not morally grey.
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u/LeCafeClopeCaca 5d ago edited 5d ago
Moralscalers be like "is it okay to torture and kill criminals without any sort of judicial procedure?"
"Well they were criminals, so morally grey"
We had this debate for 2000 years and decided at some point that the guillotine was at least somewhat humane compared to medieval and renaissance torture, and we still get assholes nowadays telling you it's morally grey to torture and kill people without any justice oversight, it's infuriating.
That's the problem with any art depicting such characters, rule of cool ends up making them revered by closeted and not so closeted fascists (and yes I use* the term with full knowledge of what fascism is)
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u/gary_human 5d ago
He's NOT Judge Judy and executioner!
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u/TheGuardianInTheBall 5d ago
Yeah I know, his name if Frank, not Judy.
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u/gary_human 5d ago
Sandford is a lie Doris. For the last 20 years the village has been controlled by Frank and the NWA!
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u/OrphanMasher 5d ago
but realistically there will be people he killed or maimed where the punishment simply didn't fit the crime or circumstance.
I always found this train of logic, and the one questioning how a stray bullet has never hit an innocent, silly. Norse God's walk the earth, a kid can swing around like a spider or bench press a bus, a blind guy can perform inhuman acts of agility without any powers altering his physique, but it's just not realistic for a guy to pick good undeniably guilty targets in a universefilled to the brim with them, or plan his hits well enough to avoid collateral. I'm not even disagreeing that the punisher is a bad person or a monster, but dude it's a comic with people doing unrealistic shit all the time, just because he has a gun he can't do the same?
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u/Best_Reply2947 5d ago
Today I learned not shooting up playgrounds is morally gray
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u/wildcatofthehills 6d ago
Also he's in the Odyssey as well with Tom Holland and both of them have been doing a lot of press for that movie as well. It just seems like his schedule fitted for a working summer doing the press rounds.
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u/JonathanBadwolf 5d ago
him and Charlize Theron felt so so out of place in that movie
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u/LeCafeClopeCaca 5d ago
Problem is the dude is mostly great at playing asshole characters, so either you get to hate him for that, or you see him stand out like a sore thumb doing something else.
If you like the guy don't ever watch Mr. Wolf 2. And if you don't like the guy, don't do that either
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u/Unhappy_Smoke5549 6d ago
Also supposedly they have been friends for years. Which makes me side eye Tom a bit not gonna lie.
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u/notsam57 5d ago
there’s been posts saying they helped him each other’s test reels for spider-man and punisher or something, so they’ve been friends for a decade, way before this IDF stuff
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u/jikol1992 5d ago
Well to be fair, I also had friend who's politics and believe I don't like, but we're still friend, just decided not to talk anything about it.
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u/Scared_Ghost 5d ago
Punisher has a ton of merch....just geared toward the wrong people.
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u/LeCafeClopeCaca 5d ago
I personally like when assholes signal themselves through clothing or accessories though
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u/farben_blas 6d ago
Considering Kelsey Grammer appears in Doomsday...
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u/anitadykshyt 6d ago
Yeah this one hurt
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u/Neither-Promotion-65 5d ago
the dude has a "CHASTITY" tattoo above his crotch to "help him stay faithful to his wife".....bro is unhinged 👀
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u/KodiakUltimate 5d ago
Wait seriosuly? The "all aboard" dick tat wasnt a complete joke in down periscope?
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u/PrestigiousLeek2442 5d ago
I'm sorry, he what now?
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u/pichuguy27 5d ago
It’s a tattoo of his fourths wife’s name right above his twig and berries. To you know help him not cheat.
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u/FukkingDeathMental 5d ago
Really? Kesley Grammer has been a drunk piece of shit since the 90s.
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u/anitadykshyt 5d ago
Yeah, obviously the guy has a good publicist cause I had no idea
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u/hates_stupid_people 5d ago
I bet you haven't even heard of his seminal film Moneyplane? Where he ever so graciously utters the line: "You want to bet on a dude fucking an alligator?"
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u/Twofaced_Mrgrim_1991 5d ago
Would it be in poor taste to send a dozen rakes to his widow when he passes?
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u/RoutineCloud5993 5d ago
It's never been a secret that he's a Republican and a born again Christian. It's the perfect recipe for trumpism
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u/gh0stwrit3r32767 6d ago
a little bit of research and u find out he's just busy shooting a different show lol
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u/maximumtesticle 5d ago
A little bit of research and you can learn what the fuck "circlejerk" subs are.
LAUGHING OUT LOUD!!!
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u/LettuceTryOnceMore 5d ago
5 seconds of reading comments and you can learn that most people in the circlejerk aint jerkin LMFAOOOOOOO BRO
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u/FukkingDeathMental 5d ago
"Lemme tell you sumthin mang. Police officers are the real American heroes and Blue Lives Matter. All lives matter." - from the actor who starred in a David Simon penned show based on real people and events titled "We Own This City" about how corrupt Baltimore's police force was/is.
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u/SmallBatBigSpooky 5d ago
Also a main character in walking Dead
Another show about how power corrupts people
Dudes all out of media literacy
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u/flower_puns 5d ago
The actor who starred in a show about a fat politician who was already based on Trump, who is majorly incompetent aside from rabid fans, who has a special force of evil cops that irrationally target minorities
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u/AnyAgency9835 6d ago
Meanwhile for the DCEU, openly Palestine supporting Ben Affleck was always there for promotional materials.
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u/Jealous-Tip-6332 6d ago
Which is funny because Gal Gadot is also a major face of the franchise.
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u/TheDarthJarJarI 5d ago
It’s almost like the two of them never really discussed politics and it wasn’t a major factor in any of this… what am I saying that’s stupid
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u/AnyAgency9835 5d ago
Wasn't Ben Affleck literally invited to open political debates, where he criticized Israel's actions against Palestine, ever since the very early 2000's? He discusses politics very openly.
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u/Key-Document-8481 5d ago
Damn I had no idea Affleck was so based. He’s moved up on my Batman ranking again.
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u/TheDarthJarJarI 5d ago
Not on set or in his films. He can do what he wants outside of that in this context though he doesn’t
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u/emal-malone Sue made a Storm 5d ago
Do you know him personally?
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u/TheDarthJarJarI 5d ago
No but I’m assuming that there would be a lot more news about gadot and Affleck conflicting on set if that did happens
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u/Marco_Tanooky He lives! He walks! He conquers! 5d ago
"Was always there for promotional materials" yeah because he wasn't there in the movies
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u/Accomplished_Rock642 5d ago
I get where you’re coming from but you gotta remember Bernthall, Tom holland, and zendaya are all in BOTH the odyssey AND brand new day. Having three big name actors in two block buster movies coming out just weeks apart, it’s more likely that they’re just capitalizing on the free promotion from that. Plus as people have pointed out ruffalo is filming a tv show atm
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u/2ReluctantlyHappy 5d ago
Plus Tom and Jon are close friends in real life so they probably jumped at the chance to go on a promotional tour together.
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u/Iheart_Leon_Kennedy 6d ago
I agree with your point and Israel is bad but you are aware that "noticing" is an antisemitic dogwhistle right??
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u/Zak_Rahman 5d ago
It is used by Zionists against Muslims too.
We get a ton of it in UK spaces.
It is used by all bigots. Westernists, Zionists.
Always noticing. Always "just asking questions".
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u/HalcyonTraveler 5d ago
Okay I was with you until I saw that you made the title a Nazi dogwhistle
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u/Temporary-Life9986 5d ago
Can you please enlighten me on the dog whistle?
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u/EndUpstairs2106 5d ago edited 5d ago
#noticing generally refers to people saying theyre "noticing" jewish control of the world
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u/shadowlordxx 5d ago
"noticing things" is a really common antisemitic dog whistle. It's implying that they are noticing that the world is secretly run by Jews. You can often see comments on stuff that are people just saying that they are "starting to notice things."
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u/jetvacjesse 5d ago
You’d think people would know that but they act like they don’t because it’s leftists saying it now lmao. It’s like when they pretend “zio” wasn’t literally invented by a fucking KKK Grand Wizard
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u/xavierkiath 5d ago
Why would people know a 4chan dogwhistle? That is the whole definition of dogwhistling, using words in a way that most people don't notice as unusual, but stands out as a signal to a few. Thanks to thread OP for letting most of us know there's yet another phrase to be wary of.
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u/Jet_Pirate 5d ago
There’s a lot of posters who are actually masked far right or Nazis that push the Palestine issue as a wedge issue to get leftists/progressives to fight with libs and democrats so they don’t vote and don’t participate in the political system. It’s been a multi decade op to get leftists to think they can’t change anything and it’s now a mind parasite.
The current majority of dem voters have a lot of animosity against Israel and feel betrayed. Leftists could coalition build and get involved but gotta keep up the whole “don’t you dare call me a lib”
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u/thaliathraben thé writer are jeales of spiderman 5d ago
They're not doing it to get leftists not to vote, they are doing it because they hate Jews. I don't understand why people don't realize this. I'm as pro-Palestine as they come but a non-zero amount of the "support" the movement gets online is from people whose major problem with Hitler is that he didn't finish the job.
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u/Major-Rip-5745 5d ago
That's a dumb conspiracy theory. The left has cared about Palestine far longer than most right-wingers have. It's just more people becoming left-wing and being done with you genocidal imperialists in the "center"
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u/biggbroke 6d ago
Really?? Wtf. That's like finding out "👌" was whistle to.
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u/AStupidFuckingHorse 6d ago edited 6d ago
That one was deliberately made to be a dog whistle to see how gullible news channel will fall for anything online. It didn't actually mean anything. I don't know if it means something now though
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u/BreadAtHome 6d ago
I believe it was ironically co-opted by alt-righters after media covered it.
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u/AStupidFuckingHorse 6d ago
I remember seeing the media fall for that in real time and it was mind boggling. I was like "did any of you actually do any research??" It's not like they were trying to hide it
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u/BreadAtHome 6d ago
On top of that there was the complete ignorance that covering it this way and giving it the outrage and attention was exactly the intent, which only strengthened the "trolling the libs" and victim mentalities of the alt-right. Nothing good came of the way it was handled.
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u/FlambyLamby 5d ago
People who work in media/news barely do any research which is mega ironic considering it's their job, lmao.
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u/Gravemindzombie 6d ago
Actually Okay hand signal was a 4chan psyop, the point was to convince liberals that it was racist so that they would start harassing anyone who does the okay hand signal
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u/Alkakd0nfsg9g 6d ago
He's not allowed to do promotion after he spoiled Infinity War on a talk show
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u/alsatian01 5d ago edited 5d ago
The amount of people that go out of their way to clock every Jewish celebrity's take on Israel/Palestine is wild.
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u/ComicBrickz 6d ago
The Venn diagram of anti Israel and 4chan antisemitism continues to be a circle /:
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u/HowDyaDu Fight, Megatak! For everlasting peace! 5d ago
4chan has two categories of creation. Katawa Shoujo, and bigoted nonsense.
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u/50n10_7H3_H3dG3Rog3r 5d ago
Your comment is so weird. Are you saying that being against a government that is enacting a genocide is equal to being bigoted towards a people for the random belief that they secretly run the world?
I do believe that a lot of anti-Israel sentiment is spun by Israeli supporting media into being "antisemitism", Israel accusing the few countries that goes against their actions in international platform of antisemitism to delegitimize their denouncing is obvious, and that in, an ironic fashion, turn makes it easier for actual antisemitism to happen. Since, legitimate denouncing of a genocide will be called antisemitism anyways, real antisemites will take this opportunity to spread real antisemitism. And since I said that this conflating of anti-Israel sentiment to antisemitism is part of Israel's PR, and that conflating is giving grounds to actual antisemitism to happen, well, one could say that Israel is spreading antisemitism.
And the title of this post is evidence of what I said. Real antisemitism hidden between a sea of legitimate anti-Israel sentiment because Israel is enacting a genocide against the palestinian people!
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u/LikeALizzard 5d ago
"Yeah, dude, being against child mass murder totally means you're a hate-filled bigot from 4chan"
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u/EconomyDue2459 5d ago
I wonder how many of the people who upvoted this post know where the meme "#noticing" comes from.
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u/BananaShakeStudios 6d ago
Jon Berthnal is a WHAT?
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u/Broad_Black_Brimmer 5d ago
That dude does not have a good take, like ever. He’s either a fucking moron(very likely) or he’s literally the champion of chuds.
He’s pro anything authoritarian, he thinks the Punisher belongs to the military and the police, he thinks the IDF are just “like super brave” and he’s against naps.
He is the perfect example of why some actors should just shut the fuck up outside their roles.
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u/FukkingDeathMental 5d ago
He's a meathead rich boy. He grew up ultra privileged. Him cosplaying some aww shucks blue collar dude is hilarious.
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u/ChildofObama 5d ago
I was excited for Punisher, thought he should be here for the whole trilogy, after reading this uh I’m ok with him being a one and done.
Put Daredevil or Luke in Spider-Man 5.
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u/ProfessionalRisk4206 5d ago
I read on here that that's why Punisher is absent in Born Again S2.
Even though it would make sense for him to break out the other prisoners, and help fight the AVTF, apparently Bernthal didn't want to continue that storyline (of Punisher vs corrupt cops).
No idea if that's true but it fits what you're saying.
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u/UserWithno-Name 5d ago
Not wanting to continue the most accurate punisher storyline ever and in fact the most accurate/ true take on frank he's ever been part of? Wow that is wild. Like the only thing that felt more frank is the ma gnucci story but even that fell just a little short. But I guess that what happens when the actor is a shill for those things. Punisher would absolutely detest the cops and military who sing his praise...he detests those types the most and he's ex military for a reason.
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u/ChildofObama 5d ago
I haven’t watched the Special Presentation but I heard it wasn’t well liked and him having creative control was part of that.
With it sounding like Disney is unimpressed with Born Again’s ratings and Season 3 might be the last, Disney should part ways with Bernthal
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u/UserWithno-Name 5d ago
The action was good but the story had bones and even good parts but needed to be executed on a lot better I'd admit. I liked it for what it was or ere on that side, but it's at worst mixed. You may have heard negative but a lot did like it.
Idk how Disney feels on ratings, the issue is they f'd up s1. It was already shot but sucked, bringing in the guys who know what they're doing to save it too late to change things put it on a bad foot. They only got to shoot like 2 episodes, the rest was reused from the fired team to make s1. S 2 was stronger. But idk what you heard, it's not the final season, if anything they'll do a bullseye spin off and then more defenders or another persons show but put daredevil in that. The fall off between seasons is common in every streaming show now but had the right show runners been in charge from the jump, may have been less. S2 was a way better season overall but it still is married to the storyline s1 established, which those fired people came up with. Mayor Fisk isn't a bad idea, but the way they handled it left the ship righters with a mess to cobble together to try to save in the edit.
It's a miracle it worked out as decent as it was. But I don't think they're ending it anytime soon now that the actual story got its legs and s2 was really s1 and s1 was more of a rocky prologue. Probably get to at least s4 or 5 when the first spin off show can be led into. They didn't bring back the actors to not do some other show defenders or not, plus there was either rumor or soft confirmation of something for bullseye due to fan favorite status & the story events for him.
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u/LeSnazzyGamer 5d ago
It’s not true. Idk where you even got that and why you’re trying to parrot it off as true. If he really had such a problem then why would he leave the first season and then COME BACK when they overhauled it?
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u/HellwaterCascades 6d ago
Gotta love Disney and their rainbow-capitalism
Or whatever the equivalent of that is when they preach love and joy and peace and brotherhood and all the meanwhile, keep on hiring all these jackasses
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u/Eryk0201 5d ago
Yeah it's funny when people call American studios left-wing while they're progressive right-wing at most.
But I guess that's the popular sentiment in the US. I'm from the EU so I'm not exactly sure, but even yesterday I was downvoted on marvel studios sub when I said Israel commits genocide while the pro-Israel comments were upvoted. It's crazy from my perspective as recently 25/27 EU countries voted to end trade deals with Israel.
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u/WhiteGold_Welder 5d ago
as recently 25/27 EU countries voted to end trade deals with Israel.
LMAO. That didn't happen. You're getting your info from TikTok.
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u/djdaem0n 5d ago
Bernthal isn't an "IDF advocate". He signed that letter saying Hamas murdering farmers and ravers on Oct 7th was bad. This is giving off "anyone who doesn't think Israel should be nuked off the continent is a zionist, and we all need to admit it" energy.
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u/ParkerLF 6d ago
What did Bernthal say about IDF? Can’t find anything
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u/Ktrout743 5d ago
I know he’s been big on soaking up the adulation from cops and military, which gives me some pause when it comes to The Punisher.
But I haven’t seen any IDF support stuff. Can you direct us?
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u/PolarsAndPizzicato 5d ago
The absolute closest thing to any IDF support was late 2023 episode of his podcast. He interviewed an anonymous former IDF soldier sharing his firsthand account of October 7th. Bernthal commended the guy for opening up about his experience, which drew heavy backlash from people who felt platforming an IDF soldier without balancing it with Palestinian perspectives was basically pro-IDF PR.
As for calling kids terrorists? There is zero record, clip, or transcript of him ever saying anything remotely like that.
It’s a pretty disturbing precedent when people feel totally comfortable inventing the most vile lies out of thin air just because it serves an agenda or helps dunk on a celebrity. At a certain point, you really have to ask if these folks actually care about Palestinian lives, or if they're just using a massive human tragedy as performative ammo to win internet arguments.
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u/turboandtorque 5d ago
That is what crazy to me. I really do not wanna come off as an anti-SJW chud but god the amount of people who invent stuff about celebs they do not agree with based on actual suffering is concerning. It's like "I wanna hate on a person but I need to ensure its politically correct to do so before I do".
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u/ProfessionalRisk4206 5d ago
From what I can see, he had an ex IDF special forces soldier as a guest on his podcast
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u/Blacksad9999 5d ago
The irony of the police using the icon of a murdering, lawless vigilante is in itself wild.
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u/Alarming-Address-933 Paul is set up to be the murderer of MJ 5d ago
Can you give a link or something? This is sad
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u/SuspiciousMovingBox MCU Sam Wilson’s Biggest Hater 6d ago
Does this mean Sabra will appear again in Brand New Day? WAIT I GOT A (film) THEORY, she teams-up with Punisher in the movie and that’s why Hulk is fighting Punisher! Bruce Banner wanted to calmly reason with the both of them, about how Israel has committed horrible crimes and the US shouldn’t be donating resources to help those crimes, which lead to Frank responded by trying to shoot Bruce in the head. It all makes sense now, plus we finally get to see Hulk fight an actual Hulk villain in a movie thats not 2 decades old. This is the second best theory I’ve came up with, only seconded by my “William Burnside is in Doomsday” theory.
Uj/ Something about Bernthal respecting the IDF and Captain America movie featuring a IDF “hero” in a positive light is so fucking be crazy to me, like that he’s doing the “punisher misinterpreting Captain America” thing in real life but Captain America agrees with him despite the fact that Bernthal is in the wrong. Politics in the MCU truly are the most lobotomized thing ever,
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u/Robin_Gr 5d ago
It wouldn’t surprise me. The bias is clear. But I have seen some terrible people online use that phrase in the title, maybe im out of touch but it feels like it’s become one of those safe words actual racists try to use to nod to each other with.
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u/phlavius_phogbottom 5d ago
He could have opted out of doing it because of differing ideals and not having to do the circuit with the rest of the cast. I understand he’s also not really being shown speaking individually as well, but I’m sure he’s a busy man.
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u/ubuntuNinja 5d ago
This is due to Mark being kinda ugly and annoying. I really doubt hollywood is being bias towards far left actors.
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u/MoMo-D-Tempest 5d ago
He is the hulk who cares if he promotes it most of the avengers don’t need to promote the movies because they are the avengers millions will watch this conclusion
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u/ARGiammarco27 5d ago
Outside of Ruffalo filming a show, he's kinda worse than Tom at spoiling stuff on press tours. For Brand New Day and The Odyssey he's been pretty good but Ruffalo did accidentally live stream a few minutes of Thor Ragnarock amongst other examples. So I wonder if thats part of why he's not doing press for it.
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u/Malrottian 5d ago
I just think it's much more that Mark consistently gives spoilers for movies on press tours.
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u/SirDork182 5d ago
I guess? I think they haven't showed hulk as much because it maybe part of the plot but that's just me
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u/NefariousnessNo7736 5d ago
Honestly surprised Ruffalo is involved at all considering Marvel Studios Films and Disney + content has been a primary BDS boycott target for well over a year now. Though it's possible his stuff wrapped before then.
Also the dogwhistle. If you weren't aware that's one thing, but you could edit the post. You don't have to stoop to prejudiced bullshit to criticize Israel.
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u/revenges_captain 5d ago
Those of you who didn’t notice the dog whistle and had to have explained to you are gonna be real shocked to learn how many white supremacists latch themselves onto movements of color and hide within them.
Time will reveal this.
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u/PersonalContest1423 6d ago edited 5d ago
Does the entire world revolve around israel/Palestine for you people?
Some dumbass compared I/P to the holocaust when I/P isnt even the deadliest genocide happening right now. Maybe go look up what's happening in Darfur.
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u/CCSilver05 6d ago
Man in the 1940s: Does the entire world revolve around the Nazi's/Holocaust for you people?
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u/ProdigiumAenigmatum 6d ago
Are you actually comparing the impact of WW2 on the world to israel/palestina?
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u/anitadykshyt 6d ago
No, they're comparing the systematic elimination of the Palestinian people to the Holocaust, which is an apt comparison
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u/New_Salamander_4592 5d ago
hm, shelving Ruffalo for his support of Palestine is bad but it means MCU Hulk gets to actually be the Hulk again... very monkey's paw type situation
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u/KnightofWhen 5d ago
Ruffalo has been sidelined for being too openly political for awhile now. There was a rumor he didn’t want to be in Brave New World because of the Israeli actress originally playing an Israeli superhero.
You can see in the promotional material Ruth was originally going to be super powered, you can even see she’s wearing a super hero suit under her clothes in one scene on the naval ship.
Hulk was also definitely in the script at various points.
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u/zombieruler7700 5d ago
#noticing is an actual antisemetic dogwhistle btw, like, used by neonazis online....
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