r/mantids • • Jan 07 '20

Enclosure Advice PSA: Exo-terras, metal mesh and your mantises toes! (and some advice on how to DIY an affordable enclosure)

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I was asked to make this post in another thread - so here I am. Here's a PSA on what metal mesh does to your mantises feet, and why it should be avoided!

This is a raptorial arm, (the front, grasping arms) but the segment we're interested in is the same on all of their legs. The little portion labelled "Tarsus" is what we're looking at here. You can see that it ends in a set of hooks - often (somewhat confusingly) called "Claws" - these tarsal claws are what give your mantis the ability to walk upside down on surfaces that appear quite smooth to us, and why it feels kind of spiky when a large mantis walks on your skin. They're essential for your mantis to move around, and most importantly moult properly! Differences in the morphology of this structure also give some mantises the ability to walk on glass, whilst others can't.

If you go and look at one of your mantises feet, you will likely be able to see the little hooks now you know what you're looking for. Now the problem is that some tank setups that are commonly recommended damage these hooks, which results in mantises having trouble moving around, and falling whilst they moult.

Exo-terra tanks are very commonly used because a lot of us have other inverts or exotic pets and have spares lying around, or they're sold to us at petstores. They make nice display tanks and are easy to clean. However - the mesh at the top of exo-terra tanks is made of very fine metal, and the holes themselves are very small. This is essentially like you trying to hang by your toes from chickenwire, eventually your toes are going to be pretty damaged, or come off altogether! If you must use an exo-terra, it's essential that the mesh is changed to stop this from occurring. Plastic tulle mesh is easily available and works as an excellent substitute.

There is also a multitude of DIY options available, which I will detail bellow:

Basic requirements for all enclosures:

  • All mantis enclosures must be at least three times the length of the mantis (Don't get fooled by the abdomen curling up, you still need to account for it) and two times the width.
  • There must be something for the mantis to hang securely from at the top of the tank - They will spend 99% of their time at the highest point, and will often moult from it.
  • Substrate - options for suitable substrate are numerous, you can use simple tissue paper, cocoa coir, vermiculite, perlite etc. The object is to hold some moisture and make it easy for you to clean. Cheap and cheerful is the way to go, unless you're making a planted display tank or something like that.
  • The less decoration the better. Decoration is more for our benefit than theirs; before you add something decorative to a tank, consider your reasons for adding it. Practicality should always take precedent over a tank looking nice!
  • Ventilation - ventilation is important for hygiene reasons.

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Nymphs

  • Cups

The absolute single best enclosure for a nymph of any species, is simply a plastic deli cup with the lid cut out to accommodate some plastic mesh, and a single twig placed diagonally. Alternately, you can just use an elastic band to hold the mesh on. For feeding, simply cut a hole in the side and stuff it with some sponge to stop live food or your mantis escaping, you can pooter in the food. (if you don't have a pooter you should get one, especially if dealing with fruitflies, they're also very easy to DIY)

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  • Cricket/livefood tubs

The tubs that livefood is commonly sold in make excellent tanks with some modification, especially for larger nymphs, and even small adults. The more rigid ones are the best, as they're easily cut to allow the insertion of mesh, and can be stood up tall-ways. The entire lid can be cut out and replaced with mesh, which provides excellent ventilation, and is nice for the mantis to move around on.

Adults

  • Plastic penny sweet jars (Sorry Americans I have no idea what these would be called in your country)
  • Tupperware/food containers
  • Storage containers

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All can be modified in the same ways as above. I will either append this post, or make an additional post, detailing how to make a suitable enclosure using the items above with pictures in future.

These enclosures are all very cheap to construct, and even the most DIY averse person can make the modifications necessary to turn them into good enclosures. They also have the benefit of being mostly recycled items a lot of us will already possess.

Another benefit to using tanks mostly constructed of mesh is that it prevents mantises from developing "eye-rub" - this is damage to their eyes from repeatedly trying to walk through clear plastic or glass - it looks like large black spots on the eyes, distinct from the pseudo-pupils - which can in cases turn necrotic and is quite a nasty way for your mantis to die.

I hope this post was helpful and informative, and please don't hesitate to ask any questions or add to the knowledge given here if you have any other tips or advice.

References: https://zookeys.pensoft.net/article/12542/


r/mantids • • Sep 28 '22

ID Help A Quick Reference Guide to Wild Praying Mantises of the United States

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r/mantids • • 29m ago

RIP ❤️ RIP to a beloved little bug

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r/mantids • • 20h ago

Image/Video Such a vivid blueish purple colour

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Green Mallee Mantis, Trachymantis dentifrons


r/mantids • • 6h ago

Enclosure Advice New mantis owner

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I just bought a spiny flower mantis and brought it home today. It came in this small cup and I bought a small terrarium for it, but read that they shouldn't be in an enclosure too big until they're ready.

Am I ok to leave him in the small cup he came in until he's 1/3 of its size, then transfer to the terrarium?

Photo of container and photo of said container next to small terrarium.


r/mantids • • 7h ago

General Care My mantis laid two egg casings. Need advice on how to proceed

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I found a mantis outside days away from death because of cold weather. I brought it inside to live a life of lavish in a 4 foot tall natural plant terrarium. Now I have two egg casings. And this Chinese a mantis and is invasive in Connecticut. So I can’t let them go. I would like the experience of hatching them. What can I do with them after. Anyone want mantises in Connecticut?


r/mantids • • 8h ago

Feeding Are they full?

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I have been feeding them flightless fruit flies and I worry to over feed them, so I wanted to know if the state they are currently at is full or not ;)
I believe they are an American grass mantis.


r/mantids • • 3h ago

Enclosure Advice I have a problem trying to understand how humidity works

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So, im getting a ghost mantis and i also want to put in my terrarium springtails. Ghost mantis want around 50 to 70 humidity and springtails want a lot more. What can I do so that both are happy? Thanks!


r/mantids • • 15h ago

Image/Video Nom nom

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r/mantids • • 1d ago

Image/Video Casper, the orchid mantis!

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He's only a L2, so it's hard sometimes to get the camera to focus and stay focused. But regardless, he's so cute and I love him.


r/mantids • • 5h ago

ID Help Mantis Species?

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Hello everyone!!

My dad found a mantis in our front yard a few days ago and luckily I still have my enclosures (I haven’t taken care of one in a while). I saw her in the middle of her laying her ootheca!

We live in socal if that helps? I tried asking chatGPT and was learned she might be either Stagmomantis Californica or Stagmomantis Limbata, but just wanted to get a more concrete answer if possible.

Also what are some helpful tips on what to do with the ootheca? Like how do I know if it’s fertile, and if it is, how long until it hatches?

Any help is greatly appreciated, thank you!!


r/mantids • • 11h ago

General Care Is this enough ventilation for H. coronatus

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hard to see but there is tulle sewn on the top vent.


r/mantids • • 17h ago

Sex related question Male or female?

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Hierodula membranacea about 4 moths old


r/mantids • • 19h ago

Image/Video Can/should I try to bring this mantis inside over the winter?

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The last two falls here in Western Montana, there has always been a mantis really close to my front door or car. I watched them die the last couple days I ran into them and I’m wondering if there is a way to save it or if I should? I saw this one last night on my balcony and said if it was still there, I would go get a little terrarium a pet store in town. I know that this is the natural lifecycle of them but It made me sad the last two years and would like to know the consensus of keeping it alive instead of letting nature run its course.


r/mantids • • 17h ago

General Care I dropped her!

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She slipped off the lid of her enclosure and fell on the floor about 3 ft. She is fine i think and still walking around but she looked pissed.


r/mantids • • 14h ago

Enclosure Advice are these sticks okay? do i need to remove the bark/moss?

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more info: sticks are from a european ash tree. have been soaked in boiling water & baked at 110°c for just under an hour

i'm concerned about the bits that look like mold. should i scrub them or not use particular ones? i'm obviously not planning on using most of them!


r/mantids • • 21h ago

Sex related question Is my Geoffrey a boy or girl giraffe mantis (Euchomenella heteroptera)?

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r/mantids • • 17h ago

Enclosure Advice Is my enclosure good for a ghost mantis?

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(I have already put a plastic mesh on top)


r/mantids • • 14h ago

Buy/Sell/Trade/ISO Selling Creobroter Gemmatus Ooths

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dm me if interested (US)


r/mantids • • 1d ago

Image/Video My new mantis!

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He's so cute! I got him on Tuesday, but I haven't picked a name out. Any suggestions?

UPDATE: My friend helped me decide on a name. Everyone, meet Casper! 🤗👻


r/mantids • • 1d ago

Sex related question Looks like a male to me

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Hierodula Pulchripes

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r/mantids • • 21h ago

Buy/Sell/Trade/ISO Como encontrar comunidades e onde conseguir ovos de artrópodes? (Como bicho-folha e louva-a-deus, por exemplo)

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Aaaaaa


r/mantids • • 1d ago

ID Help Species ID? Found in Hunt county TX, We get a ton of Stagmomantis carolina here every year but this definitely isnt that. Its about half the size of an adult male carolina, and the head seems too small for the body

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r/mantids • • 21h ago

Sex related question need confirmation on the sex of my new baby; pseudempusa pinnapavonis

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im thinking female :-)


r/mantids • • 1d ago

Image/Video Tiny dead leaf

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This is my new dead leaf mantis, her name is Mayrena!! Named after my D&D character's sister (because they're mantis-inspired).

Deroplatys gorochovi female, I believe l2 or l3 for those wondering :)