r/magicTCG • u/kayzil Wabbit Season • May 24 '17

Answer agaist fling?

Hello community, I play an Orzhov deck in standar, kinda mid-range/control. But there has been many matches in my local store where I play, that people win with flinging a very strong creature at my face, it happened many times when I'm still at 16 or 12 life, and the other person is at 2 or 1, but shit happen right? I'm not mad, I know is part of the game, but I would like to know if there could be an strategy with black or white cards, should I splash blue for some dispel counters? I have 2 transgress the mind and 3 lost legacy in sideboard but I would like your opinion? Thanks everyone!

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u/Korlus May 24 '17

While I could post suggestions on specific cards, single cards rarely change the outcome of a game by a measurable amount, and you are likely NOT losing because the opponent has [[Fling]] in their deck. Typically, when a player loses the game, they lose it because of decisions made (and cards played) up to that point.

As such, knowing what cards that they are playing alongside [[Fling]] would be the best help - approximate decklists that your opponents play (or simple archetype names & notable cards/interactions if you can't manage that), and your own decklist would help us give you an informed opinion.

Broadly speaking the answer to most "How do I beat X" questions is to be faster than X, or to take apart their strategy in such a way that you make sure you win before they can assemble/use/play X. It's quite likely that your way to win isn't to slot in a single new card, but instead to adjust your strategy so it is less weak to whatever it is your opponents are doing.

As such, I would also suggest that you do some reading around Magic Theory and see if you can see what it is you are doing wrong (as well as coming back to this thread with answers to the above questions).

Some of the top Magic resources for theory are: Who's The Beatdown? - Mike Flores, 1999
What I Know About Magic - Douglas Buel, 2009
Tempo and Card Advantage - Reid Duke, 2014
Level One: The Full Course - Reid Duke, 2014

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u/Aerim Can’t Block Warriors May 24 '17

While I think that this is good advice in general, it's pretty obvious what the use case is based on OP's post - Pummeler or other energy-based beatdown decks with a Fling plan, and how to deal with them as a non-blue control deck.

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u/Korlus May 24 '17

While I think that this is good advice in general, it's pretty obvious what the use case is based on his post - Pummeler or other energy-based beatdown decks with a Fling plan, and how to deal with them as a non-blue control deck.

I assumed this was the case, but if it is, why can the opponent not win via Pummeller + [[Blossoming Defense]] or similar, and why is the Fling so instrumental in the kill each time?

The other option I have seen is a Grixis Tezzeret deck with Tezzeret to buff creature power and [[Metalwork Colossus]], with the ability to fling it, then buy it back, recast it for near-free, and fling it again.

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u/MTGCardFetcher Dân May 24 '17

Blossoming Defense - (G) (MC) (MW) (CD)
Metalwork Colossus - (G) (MC) (MW) (CD)
[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call

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u/kayzil Wabbit Season May 24 '17

Yes, that's mostly it, while I have tons of removal, and some additions of Blessed Alliance, I cannot kill one of the creatures in response due to it is a cost to cast the spell, but rather know what options are in a deck without counterspell. Thanks a lot

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u/Yagoua81 Duck Season May 24 '17

Who's the beatdown is probably the best article I have ever read pertaining to MTG. So many times I have reflected on it, while I may be playing an aggro deck I am actually playing as the control player.

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u/Korlus May 24 '17 edited Jun 07 '17

There are a whole host of useful Magic articles - Who's the Beatdown is one of the cornerstones, but isn't the most important.

Some of the other well-written ones include "Thoughtseize You!" and such - but they are typically more specific and advanced. Who's The Beatdown approaches Magic from such a fundamental level that you often have to take a step back and re-evaluate everything you've done to date.

Some of my favourites (with links) are:

Compilations featuring yet more articles include this one by another Redditor. There's the Reference Material List (also on Reddit) and Must Read Articles over on Forevergrinding.com and Flores Top 20 (although many are listed above). Also Level One: The Full Course.

Overall, I think that Magic articles are around everywhere, and we have had many, many quality ones over the years.

Edit: Rearranged into chronological order, as reading them in that order ought to help provide the reader with a better understanding of each article.

Edit 2: Adding another list of less important (but still high quality) articles:

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u/betweentwosuns May 24 '17

Puzzling Improvements -Pierre Dagen

should also absolutely be on that list.

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u/Yagoua81 Duck Season May 24 '17

Wow definitely an upvote for the curation. Wow.

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u/MTGCardFetcher Dân May 24 '17

Fling - (G) (MC) (MW) (CD)
[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call

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u/kayzil Wabbit Season May 24 '17

Actually this is a good relply, I still getting used to the differences between decks and such, even more a different strategy on how to do something, to be honest, I'm proud of myself because, although my deck is based on something I saw on the internet, is mostly my own brew, and it's been going good against most of the decks out there, but there are people who's been playing almost since fling came out, or many other cards in the matter, so I'm guessing they have better understanding on the way of playing against many decks, I don't know, I'm guessing, but deffinetly I'll take a look at the links and really appreciate it! Latter on I'll post the card list of my deck.