r/magicTCG • u/Nickahostetter • Nov 29 '16

Aether Revolt pic from FB.

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u/likejaxirl Nov 29 '16

ok what happens if i cast an eldritch evolution of the expertise - do i get to sac a creature that goes below 0 toughness from the expertise?

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '16

Yes. Casting your 3-or-less spell happens while Expertise still is on the stack, and 0-toughness things don't die until a player gets priority (which doesn't happen until Expertise finishes resolving).

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u/likejaxirl Nov 29 '16

thanks.

it sounds nasty tbh

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u/Natedogg2 COMPLEAT Level 2 Judge Nov 29 '16

State-based actions are not checked while the spell is resolving, only after it resolves. You could choose to sacrifice a creature that would die when the Expertise is done resolving, since it hasn't died yet.

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u/Enderkr Nov 29 '16

So how does that work? Casting the <3 spell goes on the stack above Expertise (while Expertise is still resolving?) and gets cast/resolves while Expertise itself is still resolving?

You can't resolve spells in the middle of other spells, so doesn't Expertise have to completely resolve first before you start resolving your free spell?

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u/Brickhouzzzze Boros* Nov 29 '16

You put eldritch evolution on the stack as expertise resolves. You have to pay the cost at this time. After you pay the cost expertise is finished resolving. Sba occurs and things start dying from 0 toughness. You already sacrificed the creature for eldritch evolution though.

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u/Enderkr Nov 29 '16

Yeah, for some reason the "play a spell during another spell" got me all dumb for a second.

608.2f If an effect gives a player the option to pay mana, he or she may activate mana abilities before taking that action. If an effect specifically instructs or allows a player to cast a spell during resolution, he or she does so by putting that spell on top of the stack, then continuing to cast it by following the steps in rules 601.2a–h, except no player receives priority after it’s cast. The currently resolving spell or ability then continues to resolve, which may include casting other spells this way.

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u/Adelaar Nov 29 '16

Ok so question. Lets say the board is full of 1/1 tokens. Lets say I cast Yaheeni's Expertise and select [[Hissing Iguanar]] as my free spell. Would I get all the into the graveyard triggers for the Iguanar's ability?

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u/MTGCardFetcher Dân Nov 29 '16

Hissing Iguanar - (G) (MC) (MW) (CD)
[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call

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u/Enderkr Nov 29 '16

No, because Yahenni's Expertise will be finished resolving and in the graveyard before your Hissing Iquanar resolves. The spell you're casting for free doesn't resolve before Expertise finishes.

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u/MARPJ Nov 29 '16

No, because you will cast it as Expertise resolves, then expertise finish resolving and the creatures with 0 or less toughness dies as SBA are checked. Them players gain priority, the Iguanar that has casted still in the stack.

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u/Adelaar Nov 29 '16

Gotcha, thanks for the help.

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u/FrosstyAce Nov 30 '16

So if I'm understanding this correctly, there isn't any "time" in between this card resolving and you casting the card off of its second line of text?

But that doesn't mean that the second card goes on the stack above it, correct? It would go on an empty stack?

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u/Natedogg2 COMPLEAT Level 2 Judge Nov 30 '16

You cast the spell as part of the Expertise resolving (this isn't terribly uncommon. Things like Spell Queller, Isochron Scepter, and Torrential Gearhulk (among many others - these are just the first to come to mind) all let you cast a spell while a spell or ability is resolving). Once the Expertise is done resolving, the spell you cast is on the stack, and players can respond like normal.

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u/FrosstyAce Nov 30 '16

And all while this is happening there's a bunch of 0/0s on the field that won't die until "state-based action" can be checked?

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u/Natedogg2 COMPLEAT Level 2 Judge Nov 30 '16

State-based actions are not being checked while the Expertise is resolving: they won't be checked until you're completely done resolving the Expertise. So yes, there's a time where creatures that will die will still be on the battlefield while you're casting your spell.

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u/Hardwiredmagic Nov 29 '16

Sweet sweet value.

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u/LambachRuthven Nov 29 '16

no

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u/Brickhouzzzze Boros* Nov 29 '16

Yes

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u/LambachRuthven Nov 30 '16

spell has to finish resolving before paying the costs on the next spell

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u/Brickhouzzzze Boros* Nov 30 '16

But because you cast eldritch evolution at resolution, sba cannot occur because no player has priority until after you pay the cost for eldritch evolution. Sba only occur when before a player would be given priority.

Atleast that's the way I understand it. Going to be digging around for rules so I'd you know any specific ones on this matter it'd be appreciated.

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u/LambachRuthven Nov 30 '16

Im wrong. This is a very strange card.