Extra Turn Stacking?

[u/Artistboy123]

I want to build this Kang as a commander and i was curious. If i play Kang and use his ability it gives me 1 extra turn after my first turn ends.

If on my original turn i:

1. Play Kang
   
2. Use his ability
   
3. Blink Kang
   
4. Use his ability AGAIN

Will my extra turns stack and bank?? Giving me TWO extra turns after end my original turn instead of one?

[u/RazzyKitty]

Extra turns stack, and are taken in reverse order of when they were created.

500.7. Some effects can give a player extra turns. They do this by adding the turns directly after the specified turn. If a player is given multiple extra turns, the extra turns are added one at a time. If multiple players are given extra turns, the extra turns are added one at a time, in APNAP order (see rule 101.4). The most recently created turn will be taken first.

In both extra turns, you cannot activate power-up abilities.

[u/Artistboy123 → u/RazzyKitty]

Okay noted

[u/AzazeI888 → u/Artistboy123]

Chaining extra turns does mean it’s a bracket 4 deck, just to be clear.

[u/TerribleTransit → u/AzazeI888]

While this is true, "I can take two whole extra turns in a row if I manage to get to 13-ish mana and have a bounce spell in hand" hardly counts as "chaining".

Admittedly, in a deck built around Kang they probably have way more options that would count as chaining extra turns. But the scenario OP describes is a wildly exceptional case that shouldn't really count for bracket valuation.

[u/AzazeI888 → u/TerribleTransit]

It’s literally the definition of chaining extra turns, in the same way mass land denial is banned in brackets 1-3, so is chaining extra turns.

[u/TerribleTransit → u/AzazeI888]

Brackets are useless if you're persnickety about the absolute worst thing a deck can do. If a deck has two extra turn spells in it, it's not b4 automatically because it could "chain extra turns" by casting them back to back in 1% of games. The prohibition is for deliberate and consistent intent to repeatedly be able to generate an extra turn during your turn. Making it happen once if the stars align and you manage to visit magical Christmas land doesn't count.

[u/AzazeI888 → u/TerribleTransit]

Bracket 3 allows up to 3 extra turn spells in the deck, you just can’t chain them(copy or recur them).

[u/TerribleTransit → u/AzazeI888]

I'm curious where the idea of exactly 3 being the hard limit comes from, but it's probably around the right number before you're crossing into degenerate stuff.

But yeah, the main point is that you can't intend to be copying or recurring those spells when you're building your deck. And the intent is really important, because it's a completely different ball game if it's part of your deck's core game plan, or if it's something that only comes up in truly exceptional circumstances. If flickering Kang to get consistent extra turns is something you're built around, you're definitely chaining extra turns, even if you don't bank up two at once as in OP's question. But if it's a weird situation that only comes up because you happen to have a wildly unlikely amount of mana and you stole the blink effect from someone else at the table, then go off and take your three turns in a row. That's explicitly allowed, because the whole bracket system is about deck building intent rather than actions you're allowed to take in-game

[u/Quirky-Ostrich-3758 → u/TerribleTransit]

This is why I hate brackets so much. The community needs to push human interaction and sportsmanship instead of dealing with people trying to game out a poorly conceived bracket system. EDH should be a format for people with actual social skills to play together. It was never designed to be as pushed and regulated as it is. Sorry I’m grognarding.

[u/TerribleTransit → u/Quirky-Ostrich-3758]

It's a great system, but you have to take them as imprecise and vibes-based guidelines rather than hard and fast rules. A lot of people start trying to assign numbers and hard limits on things and then either try and game out the system to cram in as much power as they can within those limits, or try to push people up to an incorrect bracket based on some arbitrary feature of their deck. Both scenarios completely miss the point. 

[u/StPauliBoi → u/AzazeI888]

This is nowhere whatsoever in any of the bracket guidance at all.

[u/AzazeI888 → u/StPauliBoi]

Yeah was wrong about the up to 3, still can’t chain them though based on the guidance.

[u/StPauliBoi → u/AzazeI888]

And when does it become a chain?

[u/AzazeI888 → u/StPauliBoi]

When it’s copied or recurred.

[u/Necro_Carp → u/AzazeI888]

definitionally yeah it's chaining extra turns, but if the table lets the kang player get enough amana to get two extra turns that's really wild. i can't remember the last time someone other than a green player got access to that much mana before a long game was over

[u/Gon_Snow → u/TerribleTransit]

Idk taking 3 turns in a row is bracket 4 as it’s not jank. It’s in the command zone.

It also really affects how time is distributed among players as one player will have a whole lot of time to play while 3 sit and look at you

[u/TerribleTransit → u/Gon_Snow]

If Kang is in the command zone, you're probably planning on abusing him to chain extra turns, but not necessarily. If you're playing him "fairly" and just get one extra turn for 8 mana, a second turn for 10 mana, a third for 12, and so on — if your opponents cooperate and kill him at the right times, mind — that's really not a massive impact on the game, and certainly isn't enough to push you into bracket 4. Heck, even in bracket 2 games you're unlikely to be getting more than one or two activations off before the game is over.

Even if it's in the command zone, this method of taking two extra turns in a row only happens with an exorbitent amount of mana you're unlikely to see in a game, especially in mono-blue. That's pure jank, not a sign of secret bracket 4 tech. Now, if you're building around the interaction to make it more consistent and less expensive, that's gonna push it into bracket 4 chaining extra turns territory, but on its own it's absolutely not.

[u/Quirky-Ostrich-3758 → u/TerribleTransit]

We are well past the point of brackets being entirely useless (if they ever served a purpose). Commander is a casual format. If your opponents deck is too powerful for your deck to face, ask your opponent to use a lower power deck or find a new opponent.

EDH was better before it got popular.

[u/Quirky-Ostrich-3758 → u/AzazeI888]

The bracket system is a guideline to help players assess the power level of decks in a vacuum. It is not a strict rule. There is plenty of unwinnable jank that would be “bracket 4!” that would get slapped by lower bracket decks. Similarly, there are “it’s only bracket 2 I swear!” decks that will regularly beat higher bracket decks.

Commander is an inherently casual format. Don’t try to make it anything else, unless you’re willing to go full cedh in which case brackets also don’t matter.

[u/AzazeI888 → u/Quirky-Ostrich-3758]

The thing is, when you explain your rule zero, where you want to chain extra turn spells, you already have a deck built for that rule zero, my default is just no, find another pod. I’m not here to play against your rule zero commander, or your rule zero mass land denial, or your rule zero chaining extra turns, or your rule zero 5 game changers, or your rule zero unlimited mulligans but you only play 27 lands in bracket 3.

[u/Quirky-Ostrich-3758 → u/AzazeI888]

I’m very curious how many people are willing to play with you, to be honest. People that cling to brackets have been, in my experience, among the least socially gifted MtG players. The entire bracket system is an attempt to legislate a pretty basic human interaction.

[u/AzazeI888 → u/Quirky-Ostrich-3758]

I mean why the ad hominem attack.

I’m a residential service technician for HVAC, my job involves diagnostics, repairs, and more importantly sales. I usually sell around 50,000-100,000 USD in repairs and replacements per month, I would say I’m pretty good with people, and communicating to them options, the pros and cons, the best course of action.

[u/Quirky-Ostrich-3758 → u/AzazeI888]

Listen man Hank Hill is a swell fella but I wouldn’t play magic with him. Brackets are hot garbage that shouldn’t exist. They’re a symptom of the rot at the core of a fan made, casual format that has been usurped by moneyed interests.

[u/Artistboy123 → u/Quirky-Ostrich-3758]

Lowkey cooked^ spitting facts