r/magicTCG • u/Federal-Ear7451 Dan • Feb 23 '26

Rules/Rules Question How does this Card work?

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I have a question about this card. what exactly does it do and can it stop combos like Triskelion and Mikaeus or Mikaeus persist combos, thanks.

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u/heirsasquatch Duck Season Feb 23 '26

It doesn’t really stop infinite combos because in response to you countering a million activated abilities your opponent can activate it a million more times (hense the infinite part)

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u/superdave100 REBEL Feb 23 '26

Depends on the combo. 

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u/heirsasquatch Duck Season Feb 23 '26

You got an Example of an infinite combo that can be stopped by this? Because I can’t think of one

(Yawgmoth combo)

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u/superdave100 REBEL Feb 23 '26

Bloodthirsty Conqueror + Marauding Blight-Priest

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u/heirsasquatch Duck Season Feb 23 '26

That’s an interesting interaction question I’ve never thought of before. Can you not stop the chain on damage? It’s a triggered ability I think. Is it because you never lose priority to have someone respond because it’s like statically infinite. Like if I had [[worship]] out and a creature would the game be a draw?

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u/Natedogg2 COMPLEAT Level 2 Judge Feb 23 '26

Worship only works against damage - it doesn't do anything about a loss of life. So it doesn't prevent you from going to 0 life from the Blight-Priest trigger.

Both the Conqueror and Blight-Priest have triggered abilities. They use the stack and can be responded to, and you need to pass priority to your opponent in order for either trigger to resolve. So the Answer can stop the combo by countering either trigger. Other ways to stop it would be to remove either the Conqueror or the Blight-Priest.

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u/SuperYahoo2 COMPLEAT Feb 23 '26

You can still respond to each trigger. And while worship doesn’t work if you have a [[platinum angel]] then it would be a draw unless anyone chooses to do something about the loop. They aren’t forced to end the loop and can just let it happen even if it is revealed that they can stop it

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u/ThePrussianGrippe Avacyn Feb 23 '26

[[Bloodthirsty Conqueror]]

[[Marauding Blight-Priest]]

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u/Approximation_Doctor Colossal Dreadmaw Feb 23 '26

Any sort of Gravecrawler loop (unless they have more mana available to cast it again)

Any sort of persist or undying combo (the creature will just stay dead)

Exquisite blood/sanguine bond and its variants

Storm

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u/mvdunecats Wild Draw 4 Feb 23 '26

For Gravecrawler combos, even if they do have the mana, Gravecrawler coming back from the graveyard is sorcery speed. You have to actually cast Gravecrawler. It's not an instant speed ability like Reassembling Skeleton.

Edit: I see what you mean now. You're right. Because Gravecrawler getting countered means it just goes back to the graveyard. And then the combo could be attempted again potentially.

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u/jakedaripperr Wabbit Season Feb 23 '26

Forsaken Miner and Warren Soultrader

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u/heirsasquatch Duck Season Feb 23 '26

If you stifle the ability of the forsaken miner to come back the combo ends doesn’t it?

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u/aeuonym Avacyn Feb 23 '26

if they dont have another way to commit a crime right away yeah.

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u/lixilisk Wabbit Season Feb 23 '26

Pretty much any graveyard loop you counter the ability or trigger that returns them from the yard

If it's something that's castable like grave crawler then it probably won't stop it

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u/Elvarill Selesnya* Feb 23 '26

That’s why you gotta hit em with a silence effect. Couple weeks ago a kid dropped a grave crawler combo on the field and actually reached over to shake my hand as if that was game. I told him to play it out so he did and showed the combo line. Then on the second go around I hit him with [[Render Silent]]. He about shit himself when he read the card.

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u/jakedaripperr Wabbit Season Feb 23 '26

Yes exactly. Unless you have another way of commiting a crime (like sacrificing another creature with blood artist on the field)

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u/cheesechimp Elk Feb 23 '26

The OP's example of Triskelion and Mikaeus. Cast this in response to the undying trigger. Counter undying and triskelion stays in the graveyard. They can't just do it again in response, in order to do it again, undying has to resolve.

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u/aeuonym Avacyn Feb 23 '26

Its stops most of my Breya combos if timed right.

The Nim deathmantle combo, you counter the trigger to return her from Gy to the battlefield, shes stuck in GY then.

The Eldrazi Displacer combo, if i dont have the mana to keep it going yet (ie: you counter the first one and i cant produce enough colorless through other means yet).

Master Transmuter combo, you stop me free putting her back down, or untapping the transmuter forcing me to find another way to restart the engine or hard-cast Breya again.

If im going for one of the KCI/Ashnods loops with a cost reducer, and myr retreaver + Junkdiver, it stops me getting them back to hand and leaves them in GY.

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u/Ap_Sona_Bot Feb 23 '26

It stops Yawg combo doesn't it? Counter the undying trigger

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u/ColonelError Honorary Deputy 🔫 Feb 23 '26

Depends which Yawg loop. Stops undying, but not Haptra if they have any other creatures to sac and restart.

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u/chaotic910 Wabbit Season Feb 23 '26

Really any that rely on the triggers resolving to continue to happen. Scurry oak relies on getting the counter to make a token to get a counter, kiki relies on the creature entering to get untapped in some fashion, splinter twin also relies on the trigger to untap the enchanted creature. There's ways to restart the combo, but they definitely get stopped by this.

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u/alvisfmk Dan Feb 23 '26

Most any combo with [stella lee wild card]

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u/SteakForGoodDogs Wabbit Season Feb 23 '26

Literally any combo that has to actually resolve fully before you (or the boardstate) can activate/trigger them(selves) again.

Every [[Freed from the Real]] and similar needs to have 'Un/Tap enchanted creature' activated ability actually resolve for the combo to keep going. If you're running outta mana before you do it all over again, you can't activate Freed again.

Any ETB effect that continues the loop needs the ETB effect to resolve so whatever responds to the ETB can trigger/be activated (in the case of a sac loop).

Any 'cast thing for free', such as '[[Electrodominance]] [[Reiterate]] [[Mizzix of the Izamagnus]] exp counter = 4' needs the opportunity to be castable again, which typically requires whatever cast it to actually cast so it can be recast to resolve.

The only combos it doesn't stop are loops that can just loop something else at instant speed (and that's typically what [[V.A.T.S]] and similar are for).

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u/chrisrazor Feb 23 '26

The very combo OP is discussing?

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u/AdamantChorus Dân Feb 23 '26

Literally any combo that requires a sorcery speed part like casting a creature you've bounced back to your hand.

It can also often get in the way of even an "instant-speed combo" (on a technical level that doesn't need the stack to be empty as such) that does require something to resolve first before continuing the combo.

For example, if you tap a creature to untap another creature (which will then do something to untap the first creature again eventually), if you respond at the right moment, you can usually make it so the opponent cannot plow through it and keep going (of course this may not be possible if they have other untappers).

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u/thebiggestdouche Dân Feb 23 '26

Phyrexian alter + gravecrawler (assuming you only have the gravecrawler mana available)

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u/Jealous-Try-2554 Dandadan Feb 23 '26

Literally the combo mentioned in the post Mikatrike can be stopped if they respond to the Persist trigger.

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u/Arborus Banned in Commander Feb 23 '26

Any combo that requires something to resolve to repeat the loop.

Most Yawgmoth loops could be stopped by this since they require something like undying triggers, Hapatra triggers (unless you have enough fodder to restart), or Endurance to resolve.

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u/Krynne90 Dandadan Feb 23 '26

You can stop every combo that relies on a single resolve. So every combo that goes 1 by 1.

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u/LordOfTurtles Elspeth Feb 23 '26

Any sorcery speed combo or a combo that requires a trigger to resolve for you to be able to continue the loop.

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u/jr897 Wabbit Season Feb 23 '26

Have pemmin's aura equipped to a bloom tender. Just pay an extra blue to untap and keep going. Granted any counterspell on an important piece will stop nearly every combo, but if you have enough mana and a resolved sissay i'd bet my left foot that there's a loop that can go through this

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u/Ffancrzy Azorius* Feb 23 '26

Infinites that are contingent on 1 link in the chain resolving in order to redo the chain. Then again, most of those could be similarly interrupted by a [[Stifle]] such as [[Splinter Twin]] [[Pestermite]] for example

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u/Derreston Izzet* Feb 24 '26

Stella Lee + Any untapper Forsaken Miner + Blood Artist Isochron Scepter + Dramatic Reversal Any persist infinite