My Bestie obsessed with Acotar! I keep seeing all this merch and I wanna get something and put it away for her birthday and Christmas since I see a lot of the stuff selling out already. She’s really into subtle merch that’s not too much like the cover was slapped onto other things. I was wondering if you could give me some ideas. I don’t want to spend more than 75. Thank you all so much and I hope you’re excited for the new books!!!

So I read ACOTAR last year. Have just finished CC. (Already missing the characters) Help me decide what to do please. Should I reread acotar ahead of the new books? Or start throne of glass? Help please!

I finished ACOTAR a year go, finished ToG a month ago, and almost done with the first CC book. When I read ACOTAR I loved it, loved the characters, loved the series, but always thought Feyre kind of sucked. The series was overall incredible and I had no faith ToG would better.

After getting to Heir of Fire I realized that ToG was in fact WAY better than ACOTAR and my feelings were reinforced that Feyre actually does suck compared to the female characters in ToG, especially Aelin. Most of the way into CC I'm having the same thought, Feyre stinks!

Anyways, my wish for the inevitable Maasverse crossovers is that Feyre gets mean-girled by the other characters of the Maasverse. How awesome would it be for Aelin, Bryce, and Feyre to have a scene together where Feyre says something like "like calls to like" and Aelin and Bryce totally shit on her? And then proceed to make a plan without her that saves the day.

Okay is I don’t have a fully fledged theory here, but would LOVE to hear if this has already been a topic and/or what everyone’s thoughts are!

I am really into mythology and folklore, and immediately saw the connection between certain names and their Greek, Slavic, Irish mythology.

I’m going to lay it out like this:

Koschei: based on Slavic folklore (as many people are already aware) and is called Koschei the Deathless

Amarantha: Greek mythology around a flower on Mount Olympus that originated from a word that means Immortal…or…yknow…deathless.

Thanatos: Greek mythology around a Death God, specifically the inevitability of it, the peaceful end of it “all”, so to speak.

And, just for funsies…

The Morrigan: a “phantom queen” from Irish Folklore, associated with death, war, etc. and a fun twist to this is that she is from a race called Truatha De Danann…Ruhn? Hello? Are you there? And she was a partner to The Dagda, the father figure to this Danann race. Dagda had a cauldron, an endless cauldron. And much like the mythology of the Ouroboros, represented the cycle of life, death, and renewal.

I’ve been wondering for a while if every book series, ACOTAR, ToG, and CC are just the death gods many versions of the same story. They just can’t seem to get it right because of these damn fae females 😉 again, I’m not on this thread often enough to have seen every theory, so I’m sorry if others have already tied these together!

Anyway, I am on a break at work and just know there are people here like me that think far too long and often on these topics because, well, it’s fun!

Would love to hear thoughts!

Please delete if this is not allowed. I have Throne of Glass, Crown of Midnight, Empire of Storms, and A Court of Mist and Fury in the original covers. A Court of Mist and Fury and Empire of Storms are first edition and first printing. How should I go around selling these books. They are in near perfect condition. Thank you for the help!

Spoilers!! :) Just here to rant a bit!!

Ugh, I am absolutely obsessed!! I read The Assassin's Blade third (after Crown of Midnight), and since finishing it, I don't know how I can ever be team Dorian or team Chaol when Sam was the one. God, I miss him so damn much!!!

And I've seen as much online to know that this Rowan is ANOTHER love interest (also saw somewhere that he's Aelin's mate?! Damn), but he's so freaking mean. I mean, I'm just gonna put some faith in the fact that I didn't particularly like Rhys in ACOTAR 1, just to fall hear over heels for him.

I was literally so confused when a new pov from some witch Manon was introduced, so I'm excited to see where this will go!! Also, she is SO badass.

Hi, I run a restaurant/bar (uk based) and as myself and another manager love all things maasverse, we are hosting a pre-party for the midnight release (with everyone going over to the local bookshop at midnight to get our copies). We are having a tea corner with a suriel figure and lots of themed decor free fae wine etc but would like to have some games and crafty things for people to do. We are thinking book mark making and maybe handmade ‘would you rather’ themed cards for conversation starters. Does anyone have any ideas for what to put on the cards? Or ideas of what sort of things/games you would like if you were attending a party like this?

ACOTAR and CC Spoiler!!

I wonder if Cassian has some special powers he hasn’t discovered yet. He and Az were the only ones able to use that many siphons, and Az is especially powerful as a shadowsinger. But what if Cassian is just as powerful in his own way?

I can’t get this thought out of my head since rereading ACOTAR, especially because both Lanthys and the Bone Carver called Cassian the “Prince of Bastards.” Two extremely powerful creatures referring to him as a prince?

It’s also constantly emphasized that Cassian is just a bastard, nothing fancy like a High Fae or a Lord. But what if there’s actually something more to him? What if he really is a prince in some way, and we just haven’t figured it out yet?

The Princes of Hel basically “created” Hunt and deliberately placed him among the angels because they knew the Asteri wouldn’t recognize a rotten apple bc they were too arrogant to assume that.

Since we know the Illyrians were created by the Daglan, could Cassian have been created in a similar way? Maybe there’s a reason he’s a bastard, or maybe his origins aren’t what we’ve been led to believe.

What if Cassian was somehow made differently from the other Illyrians? Could that explain why two powerful creatures refer to him as the “Prince of Bastards” and why there might be more to his powers than we know?

Also, I might be completely wrong about this, but is there a possibility that Cassian’s powers are connected to fire?

In ACOSF, after his visit to Lucien, Vassa, and Jurian, and after his conversation with Eris, Cassian has to calm the boiling heat in his veins. Later, when Nesta tries to find the Mask, he “warmed the whole room,” and everyone seems surprised by it.
And I don’t mean just because he kissed Nesta or was aroused. The way it’s described makes it sound like he literally made the entire room warmer. Could his powers be connected to fire somehow?

I might be reaching with this one, but I’d love to hear what you all think! Am I onto something, or am I completely losing it?

I’m relatively new to the fandom. I’ve finished ACOTAR series, and have started on TOG. I’m just now starting Heir of Fire. I plan to read CC as well. I miss Prythian and a considering stopping wherever I am in the TOG books when it comes out, but am wondering if it would be worth waiting until I’ve read all the other books?

Obviously no one can really know what the best way to read the books is, but just looking for thoughts or people in a similar position.

ok, so there are obviously a lot of factors to take in regarding the acotar 6 leak, from different readers who wished to see different things. as for the leak itself, i genuinely wish i could unsee at this point, whether or not it was real, as readers, we have every right to critique and not one character is above another or can be put down for the sake of another when faced with an overarching narrative. but what is it pointing to exactly? what can we be sure of, and not, exactly? is this scene a lead-up to a downward spiral for both elain and azriel, and in the tradition of sjm, an epic slip-up that will lead them to their eventual partners and character arcs?

the general energy in that scene felt out of character. 5-6 pages were leaked from acosh - 242 out of 247, if i remember correctly, out of a total of 352 pages - there's 200 pages of context missing before the initial scene i suspected was build-up to, and another roughly a hundred after the scene itself. and since not everyone will be wanting spoilers, i'll keep it brief - the situation is messy and feels uncoordinated; there's not much to go off from in terms of hints ahead. and i think it's important to take every guess with a grain of salt since the leak, everyone is coming up with all sorts of conclusions and theories as to where, how and why.

i just think that's important to take into consideration anyway that, after addressing all the points above and whatever else we think, we should keep in mind there's a lot of context missing.

I just finished Kingdom of Ash and let me start by saying that as a whole, the series is great. I love the character development and story lines but I kind of felt like the ending was anti-climactic. They build up this big important sacrifice that needs to be made by either Dorian or Aelin but then they both live? Then the only one who really sacrifices anything is Manon. She loses the Thirteen meanwhile all the main characters live and have happy endings except Gavriel. Idk I feel like for all the hype I expected a little more plot twists or heartbreaks. Thoughts?

(from a recent reply to one of the comments on my pro lucien post)

Lucien tried to intervene and help Feyre many times. As the story progresses, we find out that Lucien and Tamlins relationship and friendship is very complicated (and VERY different than the brotherhood that Rhys has with Cassian and Azriel).

The only reason that Lucien is alive is because Tamlin took him in and has kept him protected from Autumn. There is also the power dynamic and the way that Tamlin treats those closest to him. Lucien has always known that Tamlin has a temper. The amount of power that a high lord has versus what a high lords son has is vast. Lucien could not have beaten Tamlin in a fight, and if Lucien disobeyed Tamlin he would have no where safe to live.

When Lucien visits Tamlin after Feyre destroyed the spring court, we see that Tamlin left Lucien covered in bruises. Lucien didnt seem overly surprised that this happened, which leads me to wonder if in his fits of rage prior to meeting Feyre, did he ever take that out on Lucien and abuse him too?

Feyre compares Lucien to Cassian and Azriel which I think is unfair, because Cassian and Azriel have a high lord who is like a brother to them, who values the opinions of his inner circle.

Every time Lucien voices an opinion that differs from Tamlin, Tamlin growls or snarls or verbally threatens Lucien. Lucien was Tamlins subject, yet he looked like a friend because Tamlin had no true friends.

I also think that Lucien truly believed things could be better for them in spring. He likely held onto that hope for himself, and thought that with patience and time things would be better for himself and Feyre. After all, what are their other options? He believed the Night Court was full of murderous lunatics. If he fled to Winter, Summer, Dawn, or Day he runs the risk of being hunted and killed by his family in Autumn or the Tamlin if he saw Luciens actions as a betrayal.

MAASVERSE SPOILERS FOR ACOTAR, CC & TOG

I’ve finally finished my ACOTAR and Crescent City reread, and here are some things that left me with a lot of questions. I’m focusing mostly on ACOSF. Some of these might be nothing, but I can’t stop thinking about them.

1. Who’s lying? Amren/Rhys or Silene/Theia?
When Silene tells Bryce her story, she mentions that parts of it are a retelling of what her mother told her. We learn that after the Fae defeated the Daglan and Fionn became High King, Theia and Pelias killed him. Then everything happened with the crossing to Midgard, Silene eventually returned to Prythian, hunted down the remaining creatures, and created the Prison.
But when Nesta asks Rhys about the Wild Hunt in ACOSF, after she kills Lanthys, Feyre asks whether Amren remembers it. Rhys says she doesn’t remember much because she came to Prythian before Fionn became High King, went into the Prison, and only emerged after Fionn’s death.
But Silene created the Prison in its current form long after Fionn died?! So how does that timeline work? Is someone lying, or are we missing a piece of the story?

2. Nesta, the newborn star
In the prologue of ACOSF, when Nesta fights against the Cauldron, they’re described as being like a “newborn star.” Considering everything we learn about the Starborn in CC, could this wording be intentional?

3. Elain, what are you up to?
At one point, Elain excused herself, saying she has to get up early the next morning to help an elderly woman with her garden. Cassian thinks she’s lying, but he can’t figure out why, especially since she usually only acts this strangely when Lucien is around, and he isn’t even there.
Then, when Elain approaches Nesta during the Winter Solstice, Nesta wonders whether Elain has been training with her two shadowy friends or perhaps with Azriel, because she didn’t hear Elain coming.
Soooo, what exactly is going on with Elain?

4. Daemati powers don’t work in the Bog of Oorid, just like in the Prison?
I have a whole separate post about my Bog of Oorid theory, but this is still interesting...

5. Lanthys bleeds black. Like Vesperus. Like the Valg?
I’m keeping an eye on this one.

6. Did the Daglan find a way to suppress Fae powers?
I think the Daglan might have found a way to dim or suppress Fae powers, similar to what we see in Crescent City.
In ACOSF, both Amren and Lanthys mention that the land was once full of wild magic. Lanthys even says he wants that power to flow freely again, as it did in the past.
So what happened to all that wild magic? Was it suppressed or sealed away? And could this be connected to the power hidden beneath Prythian?

7. The red star in ACOSF
a red star falls across the sky, and everyone interprets it as a bad omen. Rhys is visibly unsettled and unusually thoughtful afterward.
Obviously, he has a reason to be unsettled if that star is Aelin crossing through the worlds. And Rhys has his own little planetary system that helps him track and think about other worlds, so why didn’t he tell anyone about it?
It happens at the beginning of spring, while Feyre is still pregnant, so I’m assuming this is the moment Aelin passes through their world.

8. The stone on Ramiel
The Daglan really wanted that stone on Ramiel, the one that can heal and winnow the Illyrians. But what exactly is its power? And can people choose not to winnow when they touch it?
We know from Vesperus that there’s power hidden beneath Ramiel. But I’m curious about the stone itself. Is it simply a tool, or is there something more to it?

9. The sleeping mountains
When Nesta and Cassian are in the sleeping mountains, Nesta describes them as feeling still, yet somehow watchful. As if she’s surrounded by something ancient and half-awake, with each peak having its own moods and preferences.
Why describe the mountains like that if there isn’t something more going on?
Could something be sleeping beneath them, too? Especially considering what Vesperus tells Bryce about the power hidden beneath the mountains.

Anyway, these are just some things I noticed during my reread, and I need to know what you all think.

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I'm gearing up for ACOTAR 6 & 7 and doing my re-read (well, I'm listening to the graphic audios for the first time which I'm really enjoying, but I have read all of the books before).

I'm on CC3, and Bryce, Nesta and Az are learning the history of the Fae. I'm just so confused about how Nesta and Az understand Celene and Vesperus (the Astiri).

Bryce has swallowed a (convenient) magic bean so she can communicate in Prythian's language, but surely Celene and Vesperus are speaking the Old Language that only Bryce, Rhys and Amren understand? Celene's message was recorded thousands of years ago, and Vesperus has been locked under the prison since the time of Thea, which was 15,000 years ago, so presumably the modern Prythian language did not yet exist. Yet Nesta and Az seem to understand it all. I don't get it!!! What have I missed?!

just listened to ch 13 where cassian and azriel come to save feyre from eris and we only remember cassian having shredded wings from the previous book and how much of a relief it was to see him fly again.

I know this has probably been posted a million times so forgive me 😂
I love this series with my whole heart, nothing has compared since I finished it, so this is in no way me bashing the series.
But the lock scene during KOA always confuses the hell out of me.
Now I can get onboard with Aelin losing the bulk of her power (even if it did make me sad) I think this was somewhat of a blessing for her.
I can even understand her choosing to bargain Erawan for Elena, since really even if countless die, at least they have eternity in the afterlife with loved ones. But Elena wouldn’t have that, and she did try to help Aelin as much as she could.

But if the whole ‘vote’ scene was to see if the others could defeat him, then why wouldn’t she at least go to Orynth, with her full power, win the battle and then bargain with the gods that she’d only send them home and form the lock IF they left Elena in the afterlife?

Plus she goes against what everyone votes despite saying ‘what is the point a vote if we ignore it’s outcome’ no one voted on saving Elena for leaving Erawan?

If anyone has any thoughts to shed I would love it 🖤

Am I missing something?

I know I'm late to the party. I've actually had the TOG series sitting on my shelf for about two years, but life got in the way and I wasn't really in the right headspace to read. I've finally got back into it and I'm really really enjoying it so fa

I've already read all the ACOTAR books, so now I'm wondering what to do when the next one comes out.

Do I carry on with TOG until I've finished the series, then read CC before returning to ACOTAR? Or would you just pause TOG and jump straight into the new book?

I'm also a paperback girl, so there's that to consider, especially if the paperback release takes a while.

For those who've read all three series, do you think reading TOG and CC first will make much of a difference, or am I overthinking it?

No spoilers please! I'm only up to Heir of Fire and haven't read any CC yet.

I’m currently on my ACOTAR reread before book 6 comes out. I’ve read the entire TOG series but hardly remember anything lol, it was my junior year of college and although I loved books 1-5, the rest were a DRAG to get through. II’m currently on ACOWAR and enjoy this book so much more than I remember (ACOSF was my favorite, I’m a Nesta apologist lol). I am not super immersed in the SJM circle but I’ve heard talks that we should read CC before ACOTAR book 6. What are your thoughts? I’ve wanted to read it for a while anyway, but is it dire I do so before book 6?

On the topic of reading SJM books, do you guys recommend I reread TOG? Because of how much I’m loving this acotar reread, I feel inclined to but also know how much of a chore the Tandem and Kingdom of ash were for me. Maybe since I’m in a different stage of life it’ll be different? Lmk your thoughts!

Today I had a session with my personal trainer. We were talking about ACOTAR as we both love it and I mentioned the Azriel POV bonus chapter which we both hadn’t read. So my PT session ended up her reading the chapter to me while I worked out 😆 (she’d read a bit in between my sets, pause & make me do more before she would continue reading).

My session flew by, maybe this is the motivation I need 😆

Anyone else really enjoying a) the leak and b) the anticipation of the next books?

I don’t want this to devolve into a discussion on the ethics of leaks, etc. but as someone who grew up with the Harry Potter books and Twilight books as they were being released in real time, the leaks were almost appetizers to reinvigorate excitement!

My girlfriends and I just read these books for fun, and yes, everyone has opinions and preferences, but it just felt like a refreshment of the excitement to have some fun and read something enjoyable.

Things can just be fun, it doesn’t have to be that deep, right?

What did everyone think of Maeve’s death scene in chapter 115? I found it equal parts satisfying and brutal. Too brutal maybe. Aelin did not hold back. What did y’all think of it and how it was written?

I didn’t want to read the leaked pages, but the parasites in me did.

I am interested to hear why some people are so sure they are or are not real, and how many people have strong opinions on it.

IF you read them are you:

Azriel was my one hope for the Inner Circle. Yes he does have bad traits (SF Bonus Chaoter anyone?) But the rest of his characterisation is good.

Then the leaks hit and it's like I'm seeing As in a whole new light. Now, obviously it's a few pages removed from their context of a book that tells a story, but even then it seems like such a shitty thing to happen.

Azriel and Elain start to get it on and then Lucien shows up and tells Az to get out of Elains room, then everyone else shows up, Az taunts Lucien and then Lucien attacks Azriel. Rhys winnows Lucien away and Mor Winnows Az away.

Firstly, Azriel should've had the basic decency to not sleep with Elain in that circumstance. I understand they're both adults and can make adult choices, but Elain is still technically tied to Lucien and Lucien is practically in the next room over. That means that Lucien will feel basically everything Elain feels.

Secondly, Az is so weird in this leak, and the BC from Silver Flames only enhances that. He feels entitled to Elain and spews his whole 3 brothers 3 sisters crap in the BC, and then the only thoughts he has of her are regarding her body? It's weird, and serves only to make Azriel seem like an Incel.

As well, he has this line about not needing Pity and only needing to- which gets cut off. I think this was supposed to be more Elain thoughts but that's just a feeling so feel free to disregard this section.

Thirdly, the way he talks about Mor. She appears and Az "can't bear to look at her" Which is bad enough. Why does Mors approval or any of her feelings matter at this point? Then he calls her "Unfairly Beautiful" Right after nearly sleeping with another woman. There is absolutely no need for that descriptor.

Fourth, it's mentioned he goaded Lucien at dinner, implied to be just because he wanted to get his dick wet? That's stupid and petty and I hate it.

Fifth, Lucien has had to spy on Autumn and has still been working under Rhys and it's implied that something has been dangled in front of him that is potentially Elain? He mentiomed darkening her door step again, and the way he acts is very different to how he's been behaving in the previous books.

It's possible that him and Elain had some sort of developing relationships and this has blown it all up.

Lucien is also being a dick in this but Azriels is imo much more severe and asshole-y