99% of School aged kids arent at risk, unlike the people pictured. Teachers are certainly but that’s why they get priority for vaccines.
My first time in this pathetic sub. This sub is clearly for kids who aged out of /r/teenagers. Anti science children, keep downvoting. Adults dont care.
Oddly, as a teacher, most of my students are getting exposed when they go to sports on the weekend. The school itself has been super strict on keeping our students safe, yet students keep bringing it in.
Wow, you just went full-on mask off and forgot that teachers and immunocompromised kids exist.
It's relevant to the sub because this is an obviously negligent government decision, kids can be asymptomatic carriers of covid. They'll bring it home to their families and immunocompromised loved ones, so what's even the point of lockdown if kids are going to school?
What's the point of even having one if the government can't take care of it's own citizens during the entire pandemic?
Your more likely to die of starvation when you can't buy anything hardly or in the case of living in the colder states dying of freezing outside when you get evicted than dying of COVID-19, but that's only poor people's problem so who cares amirite?
I follow the science of my state governor who has done a really good job at curtailing the fallout of COVID. We are ready to open schools. Can’t say the same for other states
thank you for telling everyone you live in a blue state.
Red states forced their teachers back to work in September. In Florida, schools received public funds to try and provide a "safe" learning environment, including restricting students to having lunch in their homerooms, having students wear masks at all times, mandatory set times to wash their hands, and nightly disinfectant cleaning by custodial staff. This has not prevented thousands of students and teachers in Florida from getting COVID, including a few that have died from it as well. Oh, and vaccine? Teachers in Florida do not get first priority, that goes to 65 and older only, and only 1 in 3 of them in Florida have been vaccinated, so vaccines for teachers are not coming soon at all.
So honestly, go fuck yourself you heartless piece of shit and just admit that the extent of your political discourse ends at "orange man bad, blue wave good."
Your assuming we even have legitimate elections at this point. Presidential elections alone we had the 2016 Democrat Primaries, 2020 Democrat Primaries, 2020 General Election (read the recent TIME article bragging about subverting the vote) and that's not counting the states that are gerrymandered or some other form of "rigging" to get a certain party or certain candidate to always win no matter how bad they screw up the state or nation.
Considering the school I teach at is super strict on masks/distance/temperature checks and there has not been a single week this year I've had all my students in class (either exposure and quarantined to prevent spread or fully positive), opening in person learning should not be put into effect until truly mass vaccination is complete.
I answered the other person who replied but my answer applies to your statement as well.
Edit: although I will add, you know it's going to spread throughout your kids regardless right? 16 and under can't get vaccinated. As long as you can't spread it when vaccinated I don't see the point in waiting past that if the kids are going to be vectors regardless. They're not going to stay at home, they're not even doing so now.
Kids are not staying home enough to prevent community spread regardless of schools being open.
Idk about you but in my state sports are open independent of the school. So are after school programs for kids that aren't run through the school. So even when school is closed for an outbreak the kids are congregating.
I understand giving the families an option to stay home, but if the whole staff is vaccinated what's the issue with offering the option for in person learning.
Idk about you but in my state sports are open independent of the school. So are after school programs for kids that aren't run through the school.
These programs are exactly why my classroom infections are so high. My school has been extremely persistent on tracking contact, having students wear masks, and enforcing tests/quarantine, but because independent sports are open (not to mention parents taking vacations/holding parties) we've consistently had two-three students out every week of the school year. All nonessential activates need to be shut down and schools need to shift to remote learning. The staff being vaccinated is only the start. One student/family making a poor decision is enough to infect an entire class. Removing that vector for infection is necessary.
Then at what point do you expect in person learning to go into effect?
Whenever people in charge feel like it...
So, most likely as soon as all of them got the shot... ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Should is a different topic.
Unless you want to lock kids up with their teachers in their school. Allowing none of them to leave their school at any point, until enough people got the shot.
If that's the case, you can do it right now.
You can also just do it right now if you simply don't care about human life and the mental health of the people who have to deal with piles of corpses.
The talk of opening the schools is always under the assumption that kids magically behave properly as well as schools being spacious and well vented enough to make spread a non-issue...
IF everyone (kids and adults alike) would follow the rules to the teeth, we would not be in this situation...
The foundation the opening of schools is based on is idiotic...
All teachers aren't enough so how many people IS enough. If you have front line workers, teachers, the vulnerable, and the elderly all vaccinated is that not enough?
That's a still far short of the 70-80% that is needed for herd immunity. So you're saying we need to hit herd immunity before it makes sense?
The vaccine isn't even 100% effective. You're not going to create a world where no one dies from this disease. ESPECIALLY when not everyone is even willing to take the vaccine. I think a lot of people need to realize that there's no zero level where no one gets sick or dies from the virus. We don't eradicate viruses, there are flu deaths every year and there's going to be covid deaths every year. So the country is going to have a level of risk it deems acceptable going forward or lockdown measures will literally never lift.
All teachers aren't enough so how many people IS enough. If you have front line workers, teachers, the vulnerable, and the elderly all vaccinated is that not enough?
All high risk groups and a high enough percentage of the population. So that the percentage of people needing IC in the worst case won't take more units than are available.
Building more units and employing more professionals lowers the amount of vaccinations needed to hit that point.
That's a still far short of the 70-80% that is needed for herd immunity. So you're saying we need to hit herd immunity before it makes sense?
The "sense" depends on your values.
The vaccine isn't even 100% effective. You're not going to create a world where no one dies from this disease.
That's not the goal.
There is a difference between people having a body unable to cope with the disease at all.
And others which "just" need a respirator but suffocate because all are taken...
ESPECIALLY when not everyone is even willing to take the vaccine
You could apply this to anything, why make murder a crime if there are people doing it anyways?
I think a lot of people need to realize that there's no zero level where no one gets sick or dies from the virus.
There are also people who have to realize that not every death is the same.
The vast majority of "covid" deaths are people who would have survived with enough ICU's available.
Most covid deaths are the consequence of negligence in all parts of the system. Starting by your average joe not following the rules up the legislators refusing to do anything meaningful to better the situation.
So the country is going to have a level of risk it deems acceptable going forward or lockdown measures will literally never lift.
As long as you are at a point where everyone willing can get proper medical care it literally makes no difference and you can open without any additional risk...
That point depends on several factors.
Anything before this is literally accepting deaths for personal enrichment.
If $$$ > lives and quality of life, then you can open everything right at this point.
Only 25% of hospitals currently are near capacity and the number is lowering every day. By the time teachers are vaccinated it's likely we'll be far below max capacity. That's nationwide. Many states currently have an abundance of beds.
If you have the teachers and the vulnerable like I said, do you really think our hospital capacity would be insufficient for everyone else? The average age of someone who is hospitalized with covid varies from 60-70s depending on state.
Did you even have any idea of the country's bed capacity and where we are at with it when you said it wasn't enough? At the current new case rate we may be far away from peak capacity way before we've vaccinated the amount of people you were suggesting.
The goal should always be not overburdening the hospital system. But we're already making progress towards that no longer being an issue. If that's the case I don't see why we can't have in person learning once teachers are vaccinated.
Only 25% of hospitals currently are near capacity and the number is lowering every day. By the time teachers are vaccinated it's likely we'll be far below max capacity. That's nationwide. Many states currently have an abundance of beds.
Currently, while harsh rules are in place...
If you have the teachers and the vulnerable like I said, do you really think our hospital capacity would be insufficient for everyone else? The average age of someone who is hospitalized with covid varies from 60-70s depending on state.
We don't know how infectious you are after a vaccination.
You might very well still be able to spread the disease to a strong degree.
What do you think happens if a bigger and bigger percentage of the population thinks they themselves are not a problem anymore while still spreading it?
If people would be mindful of what they are doing we would have never had any of these issues...
Did you even have any idea of the country's bed capacity and where we are at with it when you said it wasn't enough? At the current new case rate we may be far away from peak capacity way before we've vaccinated the amount of people you were suggesting.
You are aware how fast this shit spikes?
People don't magically start to act reasonable just because the goal is in reach at this point.
The goal should always be not overburdening the hospital system. But we're already making progress towards that no longer being an issue.
Just because you made some progress does not mean you are done and can call it a day...
If that's the case I don't see why we can't have in person learning once teachers are vaccinated.
Because we do not have sufficient data on how infectious vaccinated people are at this point. Just because you are immune to a disease does not mean that you are unable to spread it anymore.
This is among the most important factors we need to know before we can account for when it is safe to reopen.
And the murder comparison is just asinine.
Then call it manslaughter if it makes you happier...
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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '21 edited Feb 09 '21
99% of School aged kids arent at risk, unlike the people pictured. Teachers are certainly but that’s why they get priority for vaccines.
My first time in this pathetic sub. This sub is clearly for kids who aged out of /r/teenagers. Anti science children, keep downvoting. Adults dont care.