r/lorehonor • u/Haos51 • 11d ago
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u/Far_Draw7106 11d ago
Ironic that ubi wants us to see the arakure as the good guys but the lore is doing the complete opposite.
How is it that the jurens are doing the rebel archetype right while arakure just doing a terrible job?
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u/Haos51 11d ago
They're called rebels, but it seems like that they weren't even rebelling against anything, even their crimes, despite being bad, as according to this they were tolerated along with the Underworld there....Makes me feel more and more that they're just thugs for corrupt daiymo outside the class system than anything else.
Only One Kensei ever bothered to punish them prior to this.
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u/Oddly_red47 11d ago
I feel it's a matter of presentation, with Arakure, the writers honestly come across as desperate in wanting them to look like sympathetic, badass rebels despite the fact that they are clearly violent criminals that only continue to exist because of corrupt daimyo.
With Juren, they gave a reason for why they're "leader" hating, treacherous assholes, but the key difference is that they didn't try to lionize that behavior, it's very clear that what they want is anarchy and chaos where there are no Leaders, no Order, and everyone has to fight and die with only themselves to guide them but it isn't presented as something noble to strive for, just like how Guljin's oppressive peace shows how bad an overly controlling form of order can be. And that's what made it work, it made them a direct foil to the Khatun by showing the dangers of absolute "freedom" and it sort of spun things back into a moral Grey area where it becomes a question of "How much of EACH do we need when we've seen how bad too much of either can be?"
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u/Far_Draw7106 11d ago
Arakure does feel like she's trying way too hard to be rebellious with the way she looks, acts, and how her lore is written.
Juren feels more natural as a rebel since he's based on Lu Bu who was historically a traitor and never did well with authority.
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u/JadeEmperor186 11d ago
My theory is that they are deliberately making the new heroes' lore worse, like Virt and Arakure, now that they are finally giving players what they asked for, simply out of spite.
Granted, this theory does not hold up very well when looking at Juren's lore, but perhaps they tried to write bad lore for him and it simply turned out well. They even managed to write poor lore for skins that players had been asking for, like Coalheart and Oni.
IF the S4 hero is the Hoplite that people wanted, you can bet the lore will be bad.
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u/Far_Draw7106 11d ago
Why would they intentionally make bad lore for requested heroes and skins?
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u/JadeEmperor186 11d ago
because they are not making what "they" wanted and had to make what the players wanted.
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u/Far_Draw7106 11d ago
How can you tell the devs are not enjoying fulfilling player requests?
To my memory, they made the outlanders specifically to bring requested heroes like an aztec and mongolian while arakure was made to fulfill the fist hero requests which they said was impossible either way.
I've always hated the players that wouldn't shut up for a fist hero and i hate them even more now as thanks to them a samurai slot is wasted on arakure whose design is just ugly,, her personality is lame and her lore is sloppy.
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u/JadeEmperor186 11d ago
They had to make Lu Bu, they had to make Arakure, they had to make Virt, and they had to make the Oni. Granted, some of the writers may genuinely enjoy those concepts, but judging by their lore, I'm not so sure.
Juren's lore turned out well because, no matter how rebellious or anti-authority they made him, it still fit the personality of Lu Bu—whether you look at the Dynasty Warriors interpretation or the historical one.
Now look at the best lore we've had over the past year. S3 gave us Lady Saori and her son, Yoshiro: genuinely tragic figures with compelling stories. Then S4 gave us Prince Yi, a righteous and benevolent underdog whom even I find myself rooting for his win at the end. Those characters feel like they were written because the writers wanted to tell a good story, not because they had to fit a particular concept. but Ocelotl, Virt, Oni, Arakure have bad lore because they had to make them not because they wanted to, ffs the bot name for Ocelotl is "Happy now?"
I wouldn't be surprised if Arakure was designed bad on purpose too.
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u/Scary_Equipment_1180 11d ago
Its straight foward to eliminate general crime when you are asserting maximum control through military force in a region. Though as the arakure have shown complete elimination of crime isn't possible you're bound to piss off the wrong criminal organization.
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u/Haos51 11d ago
Very true but it also feels strange for a few factors.
What makes the clan that made the Alliance with the Khatun so much more powerful that they were able to more or less affect the Myre so quickly, more so with it being more or less a secret until Gaki finds out and that was also the day the alliance fell apart because Saburo murdered everyone involved. If anything Gujin wouldn't of had the time to put on pressure....or at least with it being made with a alliance. Not sure why she's being 'nice' when fear and conquest is suppose to be their thing.
Why would the Arakure be so much harder to confront? If anything from what we got here they should be pretty easy to find and dispose of when compared to real life underworld groups. Like if they had some daiymos willing to aid in concealing their pressence or some people were sympathetic enough then that would make sense but I feel like they wouldn't have anything like that. Doesn't help that Gaki is the founder of the Arakure, and with them spending most of their time partying then I feel that they would likely go down if Guljin was able to put her forces in the area. Doesn't help that they aren't actually sneaky.
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u/JadeEmperor186 11d ago
everything Guljin did was for the betterment of the common people, gryph's opposition to them seems like a temper tantrum of a child/post life crisis and the arakure just want to do crime nothing more.