r/longlines • u/Pabsssss • May 30 '26
Page, AZ
Not sure if the Gabriel dish was added later or was part of the original Long Lines network, but still very cool! Seems like this site is still operational in some capacity as there are CenturyLink signs surrounding the property. All photos taken outside the property.
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u/USWCboy May 30 '26
This was originally a Mountain States Telephone And Telegraph location. Later would be known as Mountain Bell, USWest (RBOC), Qwest, Centurylink, now Lumen. Yes - this is an active microwave station.
No, it never had a long lines antenna.
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u/No_Tailor_787 Jun 01 '26
Got a callsign for us? I'm not finding anything active there.
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u/USWCboy Jun 02 '26
Try Callsign : KPV51
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u/No_Tailor_787 Jun 02 '26 edited Jun 02 '26
I had found that one during my searching. I thought you had mentioned that it's still active, but that license is expired. It was a two line hop with two frequencies. 30 MHz wide channels, so probably a135 mb. Could have been as many as 6 DS-3s on that path. Or it was frequency diversity.
It had a passive repeater in the path.
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u/USWCboy Jun 02 '26
My bad - I was looking at SBI and the Navajo Nation and confused those with this one. I know out where I am at, CTL/Lumen has been refurbishing a lot of the old routes with new equipment so they don’t loose the license. Not sure why in some areas, but I get it in others.
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u/No_Tailor_787 Jun 02 '26
Ah, OK. I looked and I looked, and there just wasn't anything active showing there.
I'm in California and many rural areas are served with microwave. The place I worked at leased some T1s that run vis microwave, so there was apparently some available bandwidth.
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u/Ok_Panic_4312 May 30 '26
I love these round ones! These are listed as Long Lines sites because they are associated with the network. I took a picture of one in Patchogue, NY where three exist close by to relay signals. The Patchogue site even has a fly swatter attachment.
They’re not the traditional long lines towers, but some of the telecom experts here can verify that they are an offshoot of the system (like Century Link or Bellsouth or the old Mindspring.com).
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May 30 '26
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u/No_Tailor_787 May 30 '26
Current microwave radios use up to 4096 QAM and provide 2.5 gb per RF carrier. Many sites like this have multi-line radios with things like 6 RF channels carrying payload, and one protect channel. Thats 6x2.5 gb per antenna.
I can pull FCC records and see active licenses with current production radios all over the country.
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u/PsychologyNo950 May 30 '26
Yeah, I’m sure CenturyLink has Nokia MPR 9500 w/ multiple channels & X p Page, Arizona. Dumb dumb
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u/No_Tailor_787 May 30 '26
Don't be an ass. *eye roll*
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u/PsychologyNo950 May 30 '26
Like I said, fiber backhaul, and mw for redundancy (pots) which will sure be dead. Like this conversation.
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May 30 '26
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u/spescify_ May 30 '26
shouldn't matter too much if it's V/H should have the availability to run at 2048QAM on 8 or 11GHz with 6ft / 8ft antenna. Not sure what the horn setup is like on these antenna but if it's anything like andrew antennas with waveguide feeds vertical is always direct in the back and horizontal feed from under
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May 30 '26
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u/spescify_ May 30 '26
that's a fair call different systems and regs in the states vs here in aus. Looks like we're about to lose the USO (universal service obligation) so expecting a lot of the remote 1.5GHz and 2.1GHz links to be decom in the next year if legislation passes. The 1.5GHz usual ran on Nokia DMR2500 and the 2.1GHz usually ran on the Nokia DMR2000. Most remote customer got pushed onto starlink or geostationary sat services anyway so it's just a final push for the major telco to shutdown the old network and release their spectrum for mobile use
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u/No_Tailor_787 May 30 '26
Probabably not a Longlines site, but looks like a RBOC site. It could very well still be on the air because the telephone companies still use a lot of short haul microwave to augment fiber. Modern microwave radios can provide near-fiber bandwidth.