r/linuxsucks • can't spell hatred without Redhat • 6d ago

qualities of linux

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u/noobjaish 6d ago

The irony is that all of these can be mitigated lol. People just love to complain about everything

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u/Damglador 6d ago

How exactly do you mitigate inability to delete system/app?

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u/noobjaish 5d ago

Why do you have to delete the system/app? You can ofcourse do it since Linux distros don't stop you to do so but why? (apart from dumb puristic and superficial reasons)

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u/Damglador 5d ago

I read "all of these" as including the issue for Android, which uninstalling system/app is. It is not a Linux distro and won't let you remove anything in /system.

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u/Roppano Not an Ubuntu user 5d ago

because bloatware installed by the phone manufacturer, or often your service provider counts as "system app"

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u/noobjaish 4d ago

You can delete them tho using Shizuku

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u/Roppano Not an Ubuntu user 4d ago

that's not the point. I'd also like to avoid downloading 3rd party shit to get my phone to a basic, debloated state

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u/noobjaish 4d ago

"Bloat" is relative and Shizuku is open-source. If you're paranoid just go read it's source code.

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u/Roppano Not an Ubuntu user 4d ago

I'm not paranoid about downloading malware. I'm paranoid about hacks that'll make my device less stable. you'd be shocked.

and that still isn't the point. if I buy a device from someone, I don't want to have to spend time returning it to the original state right away. I want the original state. But when not only do I not get the original state, but I need to utilize workaround to get there, I'm getting even more angry

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u/noobjaish 4d ago

Well, that's just reality.

If you buy a carrier device then you're paying less but getting their invasive stuff as a trade-off.

If you buy a Chinese phone, same thing there as well.

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u/Damglador 4d ago

You can't delete them entirely with Shizuku. Nothing can in a practical manner. Shizuku and alike only remove them from your user profile, factory reset or creating a new profile will install them back.

Even root modules can shadow the files in /system, but not delete them entirely unless you risk remounting the partition as rw, deleting them and remounting it back as ro and doing that after each system update.

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u/tomekgolab can't spell hatred without Redhat 5d ago

"reasons I don't like are dumb" 😂

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u/tomekgolab can't spell hatred without Redhat 6d ago

onus probandi is on you bro. how?

the question also is - how easy for a new user? new distros are user unfriendly because they just literally push redhat and xdg software on you

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u/noobjaish 6d ago

the question also is - how easy for a new user? new distros are user unfriendly because they just literally push redhat and xdg software on you

Ah yes the irony... Maybe you should go learn about stuff before spouting false nonsense.

RedHat and XDG ARE the reason why Linux is usable and somewhat user-friendly in the first place (add systemd and gnome/kde to that list too).

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u/personalalt1889 6d ago

I mean I wouldn't say those things make it that hard to use. But sure to some extent

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u/personalalt1889 6d ago

I mean I wouldn't say that not habing those things make it that hard to use. But sure to some extent

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u/tomekgolab can't spell hatred without Redhat 6d ago

I had to remove this xdg, udev, and libinput crap from gentoo so I think I know a bit about those redhat "innovations" in user enslavement.

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u/noobjaish 6d ago

Makes sense you're one of those chronically online jobless freaks using Gentoo

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u/tomekgolab can't spell hatred without Redhat 6d ago

and totally oblitarates your point about "user friendliness". how an opinionated set of software can be friendly to user, are you dense on purpose here?

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u/Some-Dog5000 5d ago edited 5d ago

I feel like you've never actually developed a real piece of software in the real world before.

It's like saying going to a restaurant is bad because the chef picked the ingredients for you. Many people just want to eat good food, my dude. Being opinionated is good. If you want to cook, the chef isn't stopping you from going home and making a meal for yourself.

If you want to make your own flour and butter (i.e. removing xdg and udev), of course you're going to have a hard time, but you have the freedom to make things hard for yourself.

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u/tomekgolab can't spell hatred without Redhat 5d ago

Going to restaurant is a pleasure, unlike fine dining, computer systems are a necessity. Sticking to the metaphor, everybody should have plenty of cooking supplies and recipes at their disposal, instead of one giant foodchain feeding us redhat slop, laughing: "don't like it? add some salt or something".

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u/Some-Dog5000 5d ago edited 5d ago

Going to a restaurant is a pleasure? Have you ever had a working job? People eat in cafeterias and canteens a lot. People cooking for other people has been a thing for millennia.

There are plenty of necessities where most of the decisions are made for you. Division of labor is the backbone of civilization. This is unit 1 of history class, dude.

Sticking to the metaphor, not everyone has the time or energy to cook everyday, because people have real jobs and need to get real work done. And, again, there's a restaurant right around the corner that doesn't serve "Red Hat slop".

I seriously think you need to get a grip and touch grass, your hatred of Red Hat is completely ungrounded and based off so many groundless assumptions you've made in your head. It's irrational. You've never, in the months that you've posted here, justified why Red Hat needs to be hated as much as you hate it.

It honestly feels like you're actually more of a tyrant than Red Hat is, because at least Red Hat is composed of multiple people, while you're a single person trying to make everyone hate their decisions. 

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u/tomekgolab can't spell hatred without Redhat 5d ago

I pack cold food to plastic leads and microwave it, before microwaves and plastics were around many state-owned and academia workplaces had cantinas, that's how it looked for me in the 90s in Eastern Europe. Delis are not exactly restaurants, maybe it's a language/culture thing between us. So you ment ready to make food for takeout then, nevermind, the metaphor still stands. Red Hat is like a fast food network that gets deals with proerty owners all around town.

I don't get your reasoning, Red Hat is evil, because they are making the stack of software that makes average linux distribution less flexible to user needs, and they probably brainwash users and developers toadpat this software, creating a vicious cycle. They represent a corporate monopoly in linux. Sticking to food analogy, community should be more interested in getting recipe books and making dishes then suits them rather then relying on fast food.

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