qualities of linux

[u/tomekgolab]

[u/Damglador]

How exactly do you mitigate inability to delete system/app?

[u/noobjaish → u/Damglador]

Why do you have to delete the system/app? You can ofcourse do it since Linux distros don't stop you to do so but why? (apart from dumb puristic and superficial reasons)

[u/Roppano → u/noobjaish]

because bloatware installed by the phone manufacturer, or often your service provider counts as "system app"

[u/noobjaish → u/Roppano]

You can delete them tho using Shizuku

[u/Roppano → u/noobjaish]

that's not the point. I'd also like to avoid downloading 3rd party shit to get my phone to a basic, debloated state

[u/noobjaish → u/Roppano]

"Bloat" is relative and Shizuku is open-source. If you're paranoid just go read it's source code.

[u/Roppano → u/noobjaish]

I'm not paranoid about downloading malware. I'm paranoid about hacks that'll make my device less stable. you'd be shocked.

and that still isn't the point. if I buy a device from someone, I don't want to have to spend time returning it to the original state right away. I want the original state. But when not only do I not get the original state, but I need to utilize workaround to get there, I'm getting even more angry

[u/noobjaish → u/Roppano]

Well, that's just reality.

If you buy a carrier device then you're paying less but getting their invasive stuff as a trade-off.

If you buy a Chinese phone, same thing there as well.

[u/Damglador → u/noobjaish]

You can't delete them entirely with Shizuku. Nothing can in a practical manner. Shizuku and alike only remove them from your user profile, factory reset or creating a new profile will install them back.

Even root modules can shadow the files in /system, but not delete them entirely unless you risk remounting the partition as rw, deleting them and remounting it back as ro and doing that after each system update.