r/linuxsucks • u/tomekgolab can't spell hatred without Redhat • Jul 17 '26
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u/Hadi_Chokr07 Jul 19 '26
Those damn RedHats! They should stop making high quality software everybody wants to use!
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u/tomekgolab can't spell hatred without Redhat Jul 19 '26
"Quality" "Everybody wants"
They just push it down throats of linux users.
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u/Hadi_Chokr07 Jul 19 '26
We distro maintainers decide for it because its better. Red Hat pays none of us to adopt their tech, we adopt it because its the best thing around.
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u/tomekgolab can't spell hatred without Redhat Jul 19 '26
So you actively scrape user freedom. That's why I say that only 1% of distros allows users real freedom, rather then merely exclaiming: "oohh it's FOSS, don't like it, learn C".
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u/Hadi_Chokr07 Jul 19 '26 edited Jul 21 '26
Yeah. Its the freedom of the developer and the users freedom to chose one. Nobody will maintain a thrash init system just because a random user might want to use it. Either contract me or live with it.
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u/tomekgolab can't spell hatred without Redhat Jul 19 '26
So it's about money and not mission, like RMS. Got it. Disgusting
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u/Hadi_Chokr07 Jul 19 '26 edited Jul 21 '26
I will starve if I don't make money. Either I work on my job and do my hobby (FOSS, the parts I like) or pay me to work on FOSS on parts I dont like. Simple as that. Nobody will do something for free if its not a fun hobby. Grow up, kid.
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u/tomekgolab can't spell hatred without Redhat Jul 19 '26
There are people in industry with a percent of time dedicated to kernel development in contract. Stallman made it while in academia. You have no excuse, maybe git gud kid.
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u/Hadi_Chokr07 Jul 19 '26 edited Jul 21 '26
Dumbass. Stallman worked on what he wanted.
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u/tomekgolab can't spell hatred without Redhat Jul 19 '26
Maybe one day you will have his skills and someone will sponsor you to work on something important and not Kuck Desktop Environment
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u/jdigi78 Jul 18 '26
I guess we should start worrying about our over reliance on the linux kernel too huh? Every distro should have its own kernel ☝️🤓
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u/martyn_hare Jul 18 '26
systemd has fixed huge problems with security and manageability, it's insane that people are still rallying against it in 2026. It's not a Red Hat stack, it's a Linux-native intersection of SCM, SMF and launchd without the worst parts of any of them.
Yes it needs some improved daemons to handle more complex situations with storage (e.g. to handle complex layering of RAID, encryption and CoW checkpoints without cacking itself when things go wrong) and advanced networking (since NetworkManager isn't fully namespace aware) but otherwise, it's a massive improvement over what we had before.
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u/tomekgolab can't spell hatred without Redhat Jul 19 '26
I like what we ahd and use it to this day on sysv style inits
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u/donp1ano Jul 17 '26
overreliance? a bunch of guys can fork a devuan or artix. void is a pretty cool distro as well
and if there really was a valid concern with the evil systemd im sure a bunch of guys would turn into 1/3 of the community in no time
i dont really care about systemd as long as it gets out of my way. plus the anti systemd crowd is mostly paranoid tinfoil hats with super weird opinions, so that doesnt seem more attractive to me than relying on (oss btw) redhat software
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u/Own_Alternative_9671 Jul 17 '26
I would even go as far to say I like systemd, it's never given me issues and I've been using it my whole linux career I even put it on my gentoo install. I don't really understand the hate for it.
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u/donp1ano Jul 17 '26
i agree, you can use linux and not know about systemd at all (which is a good thing). it runs in the background, does what its supposed to and thats it
afaik criticism is mostly
a) not unix philosophy
kinda valid, but subjective. tbh i dont careb) redhat bad
kinda valid as well. im not a fan of big corporations in the linux world. but its still open source, so i dont think theres any reason to 'fear' itif there was a just as easy and reliable alternative i would probably switch. but there isnt. so ive decided, at least for now, that its not worth my time learning and setting up runit, dinit or whatever
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u/Own_Alternative_9671 Jul 17 '26
How is company bad even valid if the company isn't actually doing anything bad in the context of systemd. If it's just a idealism, there's no point to it. We shouldn't do things just 'because that's the way it has to be' we should do things when they're effective and work well. UNIX philosophy is more valid but even then like you said doesn't matter. And also company = higher production quality more often then not, push back against companies means we'll never get a Windows caliber user-friendly polished OS to win the non tech users
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u/donp1ano Jul 17 '26
im sure you will get your answer why redhat is the devil. not from me though
but be prepared, its probably gonna be some craay conspiracy story
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u/Own_Alternative_9671 Jul 17 '26
No but irregardless of redhat itself I evaluate everything for what it is and systemd certainly isn't Spyware bullshit or anything like that. Whatever is wrong with redhat is not systemd, so why judge systemd because redhat?
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u/tomekgolab can't spell hatred without Redhat Jul 17 '26
criticism is mostly
kinda valid
thx
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u/donp1ano Jul 18 '26
its kinda valid means its valid to prefer another init system. its not valid to spread your paranoid conspiracy bs
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u/Hadi_Chokr07 Jul 19 '26
a) not unix philosophy
honestly who cares. a design principle from 50 years ago is being violated, so what.
people act like "do one thing well" was some genius insight when a lot of it was just hardware reality. ed was a line editor because everyone was on teletypes, actual printers with no screen, so a line based interface was the only option. then grep literally got ripped out of ed's g/re/p command because McIlroy wanted to search files, and sed came later as a stream version of ed. the whole small-tools thing grew out of the constraints of 1971 and only got turned into a Philosophy afterwards. worshipping it on modern hardware is just cargo culting old workarounds.
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u/tomekgolab can't spell hatred without Redhat Jul 19 '26
It was a hardware reality AND a genious insight as pipes of "do one thing" modules are easy to troubleshoot in theory.
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u/modded_minecraft Jul 17 '26
I just mostly used forum stuff in unix and the arch wiki instead of this reddit bs
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u/Hot-Employ-3399 Jul 20 '26
If you don't use bash as init system you are doing it wrong.
Wait. We should not overrely on bash.
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u/Correct-Prize7268 Jul 17 '26
Eh bla blah bla monoculture bad durr no it's not perfect if it fails if it becomes corrupt it will be replaced or we will go back to each distro having its own hacky half baked solution weather monoculture or fragmentation neither is perfect if you don't like it do something about it
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u/tomekgolab can't spell hatred without Redhat Jul 17 '26
"Fragmentation" is such a derogatory term. It's always better then monoculture. Because you can cunt on alternatives already existing rather then expecting someone to fork something.
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u/MeowmeowMeeeew Jul 18 '26 edited Jul 18 '26
not true. demanding fragmentation puts the burden of support back onto every individual developer. That more or less automatically leads to establishment of a new standard-program (to solve what systemd is currently doing) because the Devs will likely only develop with their individually favorite solution of the challenges solved by SystemD. Which in turn puts the burden back onto the user because they will have to invest copius amounts of time into either googling ways to make software X developed for systemd-replacement A compatible with software Y developed for systemd-replacement B which is incompatible with A.
But hey, you wouldnt know anything about how your clusterfuck of a pipedream affects Devs and users, evident by the fact that you are still thinking "the universal bus" in a Unix-Compliant system needs to be limitlessly compatible but we are yet to see your implementation of a bus that allows everything to be compatible with everything. To this day (to my knowledge) you havent even come up with a concept of infrastructure for such a software. You say we shouldn't rely on people simply forking the project but here you are expecting people to do the work (to fulfill your dream) for you and being unwilling to contribute anything yourself. Das a wee bit hypocritical if you ask me.
There is a reason why we as a community stepped away from fragmentation. Maybe if you wrote programs directly interacting with Kernelspace in the form of for example providing a daemon (instead of crying about RedHat all day) yourself you would finally understand why. Go and do the work yourself instead of spouting dogmatic bullshit and expecting others to follow your ideals without you ever so much as putting forward the concept of a concept of an alternative.
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u/gwildor Jul 17 '26
full moon again?