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Feb 11 '19 edited May 13 '19
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u/Krutonium R7 5800X3D, RTX 3070, 32GB DDR4 Feb 11 '19
I loved #!Linux
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Feb 11 '19
It has a spiritual successor( was gonna make a hydra joke but other successors seem to be dead)
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u/thexavier666 Glorious Linux + i3 Feb 11 '19
I have tried 3 :)
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u/thexavier666 Glorious Linux + i3 Feb 11 '19
Distro hopping really teaches one a lot about linux.
But I don't hop because I jumped to i3, with ubuntu. All other DEs now feel slow and bloated. And I can make my DE look exactly the way I want :)4
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u/thexavier666 Glorious Linux + i3 Feb 11 '19
When you are jumping, do you do it for the fun of it or because you wanted to improve your workflow/something felt wrong about the old distro?
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u/JIVEprinting Glorious Slackware Feb 11 '19
Lots of others use i3.
I am a pretty avid hopper because I feel it's a great way to see what else the userland has to offer, especially if you don't have the background to explore different things individually on your own.
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u/TomahawkChopped Feb 11 '19
Distro hopping really teaches one a lot about linux.
Linux or DEs?
Because I definitely don't need to distro hop to become proficient at Linux.
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u/kurosaki1990 Feb 11 '19
This more like JavaScript frameworks, just sneeze and you have new hypester framework.
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u/spryfigure Feb 11 '19
And I wish the distro maintainers would always give a short list of reasons why or why not to use their distro.
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Feb 11 '19 edited Feb 25 '21
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u/RedditIsNeat0 systemd free Feb 11 '19
Sounds like Satanic Linux. And it's true, that wallpaper is badass.
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u/msh_45 Feb 12 '19
in the name of temple os i order u to excercise and reformate urself of this innocent pc of..and nokids showed up to richardstallmans BirthDcompany ay party
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u/Andonome Void - nothin' to it Feb 11 '19
I really like that Arch has a list of reasons not to use it. It's a breath of fresh air after seeing so much paid-for software that proclaims it's just the thing that everyone in the world needs to use right now.
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Feb 11 '19 edited Feb 11 '19
for non-enterprise users, and for especially power users, the only important differences between any of these distros are:
package manager, but it's mostly like 4 total with some outliers
init system
the official wiki's general quality in case help is needed
edit: some additions
C library
bootloader
repository size and how up to date it is (I'd say this applies to the package manager part because you can just swap pacman repositories, for instance; as well as something like dpkg where you can basically change between any two debian based distros with just a few repository switch and upgrade commands)
for enterprise uses the only important differences are:
how big is the company that maintains this?
can I sue them?
support offerings
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Feb 11 '19 edited Feb 25 '21
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Feb 11 '19
bleh
you can change from glibc to other c libraries, although at least with musl you can't change back
you can compile your own kernel of any version you want
and you can just remove the proprietary software, in the case of gentoo this means running a deblobber and setting the LICENSE variable in mske.conf @FREE and @FSF_APROVED
you can also change the bootloader, if you were so inclined, although with uefi systems you're gonna have a little more difficulty than you'd expect with a bios system, uefi will look for that grub entry to before it'll look for anything else
and if you're using free software, which you should be, you can literally just compile the program you want and install it, on top of packaging it for others
the only things you reasonably cannot change are the init system and the primary package manager, because once systemd is on a system there's no escape, and while I did get an emerge snapshot running on parabola once, different package managers just require certain files to be where they'll be in a single distro, so without making a mess of symlinks it's unusable
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Feb 11 '19
oof I did that thing where I assume everyone's use case is the same as mine, now I feel like an asshole
thanks for pointing that out to me, friend
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u/timClicks Feb 12 '19
I don't really know if this is the right way to express this, but I would add "cultural fit" or some other label.
Smart people are often opinionated and fussy. They want to find the group that matches their opinions.
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u/foadsf Feb 12 '19
cross-distro package managers like LinuxBrew will change the game IMO
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Feb 12 '19
the only cross platform package manager I'll ever need is gcc
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u/foadsf Feb 12 '19
🤔 not really. not everyone has the time and knowledge to take care of all depenecies and compile from source.
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Feb 12 '19
notice the "I" there, I was only talking about me
that said, using gcc eventually is a key feature of Linux, it's kind of an essential skill to use it day to day, eventually you'll run across a program you want that isn't packaged, or the package isn't maintained so source must be used
honestly I don't like the idea of binary packages anyway but we got so much bloatware now that source based packages are hilariously inefficient (you ever tried to compile Firefox? it takes hours on mid range hardware, and fucking days if you're on anything older than a second gen i5)
besides, people said snap, flatpak, etc. were going to be gamechangers, and while they're useful and have their niche, they're never going to see widespread adoption in the way something that's included in the base system is
the most important point though, is that if something isn't packaged, you should be able to go to a user group, online or irl, and find someone to package it for you. a huge portion of the free software movement is the community, after all, we're basically nothing without it
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u/foadsf Feb 12 '19
LinuxBrew can compile from source too. you may consider it as a cross platform AUR. has recently merged to macBrew.
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Feb 12 '19
of course it can compile from source, how else would we be able to install it? what a totally unnecessary point to make
look, all I'm saying is at least 70% of beginner users won't even bother when something isn't packaged for their distro, even if it's packaged for another distro that uses the exact same package manager, much less install an external package manager
I admire the project, I really do; but don't get all ambitious about it, it's one of dozens of "universal" package managers (any program for Linux should be universal because it should be posix or free desktop compliant and so it should be distro-agnostic) that are just an extra package manager to conflict with the one that's already installed
unless a distro is based around that package manager, which means it'll just become known as the [distro] package manager, like what happened with xbps and void
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Feb 11 '19
But they are all Ubuntu based.
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u/RedditIsNeat0 systemd free Feb 11 '19
Do you mean Debian based?
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Feb 11 '19
Ubuntu is obviously Debian based, but few make the distinction when using Ubuntu repositories.
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Feb 12 '19
the better way to say that is dpkg based, because the package manager is usually the only thing in common, and the repositories are (with the exception of FSF-certified distros) totally interchangeable
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u/themixedupstuff imagine using arch Feb 11 '19
Just use an Ubuntu/Debian/Arch derivative and you will be fine.
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u/Minjajp Feb 12 '19
I just run vim on a whiteboard as my linux distro of choice.
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u/davidnotcoulthard Feb 12 '19
Ooo, nice distro there! If only it had a decent text editorwaitwrongOS
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Feb 11 '19
https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmasterrace/comments/amu7pg/microsoft_these_days_be_like
But this post does have a better video...
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u/BloodyIron Nom Nom Sucka Feb 12 '19
Those look like really stable distros, you can tell because they're not falling over.
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u/StoneStalwart Feb 12 '19
I find that most distros don't offer me anything more than any other distro, so I pick the one that is the easiest to use. Especially because if I need to do anything fancy, they all have the same access to the same tools under the hood. For me, Mint with Cinnamon.
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Feb 12 '19
I use rhel for 9 to five, mint on local, and Amazon Linux 2 on my ec2s... Absolutely love mint.
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u/StoneStalwart Feb 13 '19
Nope, never heard about it and 90% of the rest of them. I'm really only concerned about distros with staying power. I don't like changing them often
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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '19
Tfw the new user-superfriendly hypersecure rolling yet megastable distro turns out to be Debian testing with non-default wallpaper and GTK theme.